Clare GAA Discussion - 2024 All Ireland Hurling Champions

keeponhurling

Beaten on a penalty shoot out

letowski

I’m abroad so I just was getting Twitter updates. Gutted for the team and management. But they’re still in the competition with at least 2 games left. They have improved each round. I think they’ll have a say in this championship yet.

supernova5

Shameful of the gaa to decide a provincial final this way, it's only May 11th, it was the same for both teams and it's not being bitter but it's just totally wrong

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119048957#Comment_119048957

They had normal time and extra time to try and sort it on the pitch. Can't go as far as saying it's shameful, especially since both teams are still in the championship.

Billy Ocean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119049341#Comment_119049341

Taking tonight in isolation i think a replay was possible as it wouldn't have curtailed the schedule, Leinster final isn't til Monday so a replay on weekend or Tuesday for example could have worked.

keeponhurling

Maybe it's experience that will help them if they later go on to play senior and are faced with another penalty shoot out

But I do think they should really be avoided if possible, even to consider a "next score wins" type system

It's strange but now we are guaranteed two more matches, whereas if we won we're only guaranteed one more !

PeggyShippen

Yeah very unfortunate way to decide the match but it had to be decided somehow. It seems Clare GAA teams aren't practicing penalties at any level. They have 2 penalty shoot outs and zero out of 6 attempts is it? That's embarrassing.

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119049710#Comment_119049710

Next score wins system doesn’t allow for enough variables. Bad decision by the ref, unlucky slip by player, wrong lineball call could ruin it for a team.

Penalties gives teams 5 attempts - allows for variance

Clareman

Penalties aren't great but come on, they are under 17 years of age, far better for them to complete the game rather than having another game to worry about, these lads a probably preparing for their Leavings. Big ask to have lads step up to take a shot from 21 meters out after ~90 minutes of hurling, personally I probably wouldn't be able to lift a hurley after that much effort.

Sunny Disposition

An awful way to settle it, definitely shouldn’t happen at underage level, way too intense for children to be subjected to.

Treble double

Penalties are a silly copy cat way to settle a Gaa match. They are fine in soccer if you need a result on the day. They trialled the golden goal to avoid the lottery of penalties but scores can be very in frequent in soccer so it doesn't work.

In hurling there is a score every 2 mins and I have seen minors slapping frees over the bar from their own half. Next score wins should be the way these games are settled in the future. It would be done and dusted by the time they had the penalty takers sorted last night. It would also be very dramatic and involve the whole team.

Same for Gaelic Football it could take 10 minutes to get the golden score but what drama it would be.

Penalties are the unimaginative solution.

Clareman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119052881#Comment_119052881

I have to respectively disagree, bringing them back for another match would have been far worse. They had played about 90 minutes of hurling, couldn't be separated so a test of skill is the fairest way to do it in my opinion, not too long ago it would have been a toss of a coin to decide who went through now at least the players decide.

Clareman

The problem I have is that Clare are now becoming the England of the GAA penalty scene.

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119054177#Comment_119054177

Another thing - how many times have we heard the whole ‘ah ya of course they’d blow it up when scores are level. Grab All Association’

Pens is fine. Almost every sport has something to the extent

evolvingtipperary101

Far too much talk of pens here rather the performance the Clare lads put in. And tbh, they lost it in normal time when they had the numerical advantage. I thought they were savage. Given the underage scene for Clare last year, this is some huge improvement. But even that is not enough praise. Some serious talent there.

I said to a Clare man in 2013 that Tony Kelly would prove more of an inspiration for future generations for Clare than the Clare team of the 90s. And I stand by that, and that's not to discredit the 90s team. But players that capture the imagination by doing the impossible and doing it with style are worth their weight in gold for a county. And I could see in that Clare side last night, a fearless drive to try skills and shots that weren't on but just for the achievement of it. It was a joy to watch.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119053055#Comment_119053055

The golden goal in soccer was during extra time, then if nobody scored it went to penaltys anyway.

The problem with next score wins is that a game could be won or lost on a free not given, or a soft free given, or a point that was over being waved wide etc.

At least penalties is a straight test of skill and unlikely to be controversial.

supernova5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119054978#Comment_119054978

All those controversies you just mentioned already happen in a big percentage of games [in deciding outcomes ] up and down the country every week anyway,

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119055321#Comment_119055321

Yes they do but tend to balance out over the duration of the game but if its a golden score then any decision to award a free will possibly end the match there and then.

Clareman

Golden/Silver goals were shocking because teams weren't willing to take chances and were happier to goto penalties. When it was a straight knock out with a month between games having replays were fine, now however with so many games it's too much so best to finish on the day. Looking back at 95 for example Clare played on the 4th of June, 9th of July, 6th of August and 3rd of September, if any of those games finished in a draw they'd go back 2 weeks later and try again, if that was a draw then they'd come back the following week, then if that was a draw it'd be another week with the following match pushed back.

Clareman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119054446#Comment_119054446

There's always a "bump" when there's a successful team, the 2013 team were babies in 95 and 97 happened, Clare winning All Ireland's wasn't a thing from previous generations, it was something that happened in their lifetime, that confidence continues on so the next generation of players now have players to look up to. It also helps that today's minors will probably play club hurling with the All Ireland winners of 2013 and will benefit from that as well.

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119055762#Comment_119055762

That's a fair and correct point. But I still say there was no one close to Kelly for Clare in the 90s. And it is pushing more adventurous, forward play, fearless play to try the outrageous.

Clareman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119055778#Comment_119055778

Hurling back then was completely different though and different players wanted to emulate different heros, every team had their Seanie, or their Lohan or Lynch or Jamesey or Sparrow

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119055847#Comment_119055847

I'm not so sure about that...

DJ Carey? Nickie English? There were players operating on different levels and doing things others couldn't. I know Nickie was more in the 80s but he was still doing ridiculous things in the early 90s.

Clareman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119056012#Comment_119056012

There wasn't as much hurling on TV either, maybe 1 semi-final and the final itself was about it for live coverage, I don't think the 95 Munster Final was live on TV for example.

mcw100

https://twitter.com/munstergaa/status/1525058541345722370?s=10&t=DpjF3I2n3lnbEG11p6CaLw

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119056190#Comment_119056190

Very good point

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119055762#Comment_119055762

Not sure where the bump was for Wexford post 1996, or Offaly post 94-98, in fact Offaly seemed to really fall off a cliff.

Limerick have 3 AI recently but that wasn't the result of any bump, they were nowhere since the mid 1990's so built it up through underage structures.

keeponhurling

Ian Galvin’s appeal was not successful, who will replace him on Sunday ? Shanaher ?

washman3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119057318#Comment_119057318

That's a shocking decision. It was hardly a yellow let alone a red. Was it O'Donoghue that "took the dive".? Not his first time doing this. Did Mark Keane appeal.? His red should be quashed too TBF. It was on the word of the umpire.

evolvingtipperary101

Clare got caught up trying to tap up members of the committee before the hearing and the **** hit the fan on Ian Galvin. Major balls up. That's what I read in The Examiner.

Clareman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119057636#Comment_119057636

Galvin ran 20 yards after the whistle was blown to get involved in something and "made contact" with an opponent in front of the ref. There was a lot of the butt of the hurley showing and he knew what he was doing, would have been an appeal very dependent on the ref's report.

For Mark Keane's appeal, I'd like to think that for a Clare center back and captain to stay on the ground for so long that it was a bad belt, Conlon for me is 1 of the most honest hurlers going and I don't think he's stay on the ground while Cork had a goal chance in the off chance of someone spotting it.

keeponhurling

Jack Brown named to start, nominally at least replacing Galvin

Shane Meehan named among the subs, wonder will he feature

supernova5

is Patrick Crotty injured or is he completely out of favour? what's going on there?

don't know anything about this lad Aiden Moriarty, anyone seen him in action?

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119061290#Comment_119061290

hes very young plus he struggled against limerick in the league think it was nash marking him struggled against barrett against tipperary , no fault on either front just too much asked of a player of that age

hes going to be a serious hurler over the next ten years but patience needed for such a young lad

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119058974#Comment_119058974

i was probably better positioned in the stand then the camera for galvins one , he deserved to be sent off the tv footage made it look harmless

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119057923#Comment_119057923

the head of the ccc is the former wexford chairman , you probably dont need to ask too many who approached him , davey has done loads for the galvins over the years especially colm who often found himself on the wrong side of the law after the odd night out when he was younger

it happens all the time , apparently martin mchugh is the go to man if you wat about 10 red cards rescinded up north , he is second to the chair on the committee to david kent

of course we cant prove any of this we do know that fitzs fathher is the head of the clare county board , we also know wexford were not too happy about losing a manager to the cork camogie team but its a fairly good hunch 😉

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119064865#Comment_119064865

That adds up alright, I'd say you're on the money there. Apart from the last bit, I don't think they lost Davy. I think his time was up. BUt maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe they wanted to keep him.

letowski

Another very good performance by Clare this afternoon, it was great to get a result and book a Munster final spot. Even just getting to the Munster final is huge as it will keep us on the opposite side of the draw from Limerick in the AI series.

It was great seeing Clare not just stand up to this Limerick team physically, but take the game to them at various stages too. Its great credit to the players, but also to how Lohan and his management team have coached and fostered such an honest, hardworking culture in the Clare setup. I think though the way our backline is defending right now is as good as any unit in the country. The level of play were getting from all 3 of the full back line is incredibly high.

I think it was important for this group to play Limerick today for 70 minutes and hold their own. Not take moral victories like Tipp and Waterford did just for playing Limerick for 55 minutes or whatever. But to meet the challenge and grind out a result. You could feel though today, compared to the first two rounds, just how tough and physical an opponent Limerick are. Players like Talyor, Malone and SOD who have been orchestrating our run game around midfield so well versus Cork and Tipp, were met with massive physical and relentless pressure today.. as expected. But Clare will much better for the experience today and it will stand to them. People will point to the players Limerick have coming back, but Clare are improving in each game themselves and also have some returning players too.

Just on the upcoming Waterford game, I wouldn't expect wholesale changes or anything. I think Meehan will definitely get playing time after a good impression off the bench today. Reidy and Shanagher too will also probably get gametime as they return back to full fitness. Maybe 3-4 changes max next weekend I'd say, Lohan isn't going to give a starting jersey to someone who hasn't earned it. it's still one you definitely want to win, at home, keep undefeated, plenty incentive imo.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119068603#Comment_119068603

on the waterford game , there is no hope you will see wholesale changes , we got distroyed at times by barry nash , and mike casey today , the one area of the field we were running amuck throughout the championship thus far , we need big games from o'donnell and duggan the next day ,we will have ian galvin and meehan back plus david reidy , its a good opportunity for aaron shanagher to get a deacent run too , if aaron fitz is deemed to be the first choice wing back then maybe he needs a start for ryan or david mc but nothing else changes , and we dont want to be heading into the munster final having not won any of our last two games

a big crowd next week and hopefully another win , morrissey gillane and lynch are 3 huge players to come back for limerick but our overall performance has kiely a little rattled if you ask me , bar the soft Hegarty sending off i dont think colm lyons could have done much more for limerick today , i am still a bit baffled at Kiley's demeanor in both half's today on the line

letowski

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119068636#Comment_119068636

Yeah there's no doubt Gillane and O'Donovan were losses. Will Cian Lynch be back? Limerick are quite tight lipped about it, though the statement said he'd miss the Munster championship.

With that being said, I think Clare will have learned alot from today too, and I wouldn't expect us to be as reliant on Kelly like today. For example, I taught the use of Peter Duggan today was very short-sighted. It was like ok, we have a 6'5 full forward, you have 5'10 full back, lets hop on the Delorean to the 1950s and drive 80 yard balls up the field. All jokes aside though, even the odd ball Duggan did catch he was always swarmed because Limerick defensive structure is always going to be setup for that type of threat with Hannon in the pocket (Mike Casey is brilliant full back, let me give credit too). I like better how Lohan used Duggan versus Cork, moving him between the half and inside forward lines so that were not so telegraphed in our play. I think we can get more from SOD too, it seemed like he was given more of a marking role on Byrnes as opposed to being allowed to move and play his own game. Meehan is going to be a big addition for Clare too, he was very good when he came on, and has that goal thread were lacking a bit. Looking forward to watching him versus Waterford.

I think Clare are in a very good position. Were in a Munster final, playing well, consistently, with no huge levels of expectation. Were humming alot nicely with more in this team and players to come back. It's great to see the public rowing in behind this team and management too. I'm really enjoying our championship journey so far.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119068696#Comment_119068696

personally i think limerick defended as well today as they did in 2019 , when they hammred us out the gate , there backs are there catalyst and driving force , thay are brilliant but we need to be doing more up front , we won very few breaks or second balls inside the 45 , the fact is without lynch i dont think they have anyone to stay with kelly

the cork game two weeks ago young joyce kept tony to frees , all our scores came from elsewhere , if there is a weakness in the limerick system that seems to allow players like david fitzgerld to run amuck also at times , if i was to be blunt i would not be raving about the likes of o'donovan and o'donohue or the midfield in general , hence the 3s and 4s swarming in the middle 3rd , a true kinnerk tactic

but going back to the limerick full back line you need to be sharper to the breaks , we beat them well in 2018 and the full back line played really well that day but we won everything on the break that day , david reidy and colm galvin were sensational in that department its somthing we need to work on for the final

i heard lynch was out for the championship but take it with a pinch of donky ford salt 😉

keeponhurling

I would be seriously considering wholesale changes for the Waterford game.

3 tough matches down, more to come, I think we need freshness - and of course to avoid injuries/suspensions.

Munster championship matches are fiercely physical, and Waterford are fighting to save their season. I don't want a good performance v Waterford and to be flat in the Munster final.

Greasy Paw

Interesting to hear Galvin gets in a 'bit of trouble'- it must run in the family- he is a cousin of Ger Hegarty. Jake Morrision is also a relative, although he seems to keep a low profile. Of course you would expect him himself impeccably, not like us Limerick and Clare Barbarians- then again Tipp are pointless.

Figerty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119068696#Comment_119068696

Duggan won the battle today, but the Limerick defence was excellent, swarming him on the ball. He had the beating of Casey in the air and won some amount of ball. Not all to hand but the winning and breaking weren't used enough. Surprised he was taken off as David Fitz had burned himself up with 10 minutes to go.

One thing that was obvious was the number of times Taylor was caught in possession today was surprising. Limerick figured out that he shows the ball a bit too much when moving it to the hurley and dispossessed him four or five times. It was obvious player analysis to my mind in the backroom. Same with Malone. Deny possession and he's not effective.

The game will be completely different with Gillane on the field.

While Kelly was the obvious man of the match from Clare, I thought Hayes side step of Flanagan one the end line and left Flannagan on his face. Both were smiling afterwards!

Get Shanaher and Reidy on next week from the start and get their legs working at championship speed.

supernova5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119068603#Comment_119068603

Agree with all you said apart from the last part about next weeks game, for me its a very much an unwanted distraction

they expended huge stores of energy yesterday and Waterford are a massive physical unit who will come with savage ferocity as they are playing for their lives. This is a nothing game for Clare so it would be pointless going full throttle with a near full team and seriously risk injuries, suspensions. They will need all the reserves they can muster for a gruelling Munster final and all Ireland series. How management manages/handles this next game could prove crucial in over all scheme of things

letowski

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119069502#Comment_119069502

I definitely take your point on this. It was mentioned on one of the GAA pods I was listening to this morning, Tipp in 2019(?) were through to a Munster final, but got Bonnar and Cathal Barrett injured in the last round robin match when they were already through. At the same time though, I think Lohan will want to keep up the momentum. He did say after the match though that he will assess the condition of some of the players. I think two obvious candidates for me to be rested are Malone and Taylor given the huge shifts they've put in a midfield these past 3 rounds, they're the two probably carrying the most knocks and bruises. I imagine any player, a bit like Gillane yesterday, dealing with soft tissue injuries will be rested. But all in all, I still think 3-4 changes will be the maximum, but probably Lohan using his bench alot more this fixture as he is usually pragmatic in introducing substitutes. I guess we will see.

Gael85

Any word Mark Rodgers fitness?

keeponhurling

Was thinking back to 1998.

We had probably the best team in the country, but we played so many high intensity matches that it just caught up with us in the end (very flat in the 3rd game v Offaly), along with the suspensions and injuries with go with that

letowski

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119070172#Comment_119070172

I’ve heard he has returned to training but the Waterford game might be too soon. Aidan Mc is also back training, might feature this week.

Gael85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119070297#Comment_119070297

Be great lads to bring off bench later in season.