Overtook an unmarked car today

JustARandomGuy

Hi, so I overtook an unmarked Garda car on the motorway and got stopped.

I was told by the guard that I would receive a ticket for driving without due care and attention which is 2 points, but upon research, I’ve read that it’s actually classed as Careless Driving which is a mandatory court appearance and 5 points?

He didn’t get a speed readout, but did tell me he recorded me overtaking him.

What should I expect in this scenario? Court summons?

George Dalton

I had a similar experience a few years ago and it was just the 2 points.

punisher5112

3 points for speeding...
They don't give a print out.

He can state you were at X speed and that's it...

George Dalton

George Dalton wrote: »

I had a similar experience a few years ago and it was just the 2 points.

Thought I had the letter still but I must have thrown it out. It definitely said "careless driving" or words to that effect. And it was only 2 points. Which I was happy enough with tbh as I was clearly speeding at the time as well which would have been 3 points :pac:

Agent_47

Given the scenario and location, 2 points. Country road 5 points

SaltSweatSugar

Sounds like he plans to give you a fixed charge notice for driving without reasonable consideration, Section 51(a) of the road Traffic Act which is an €80 fine and 2 penalty points. I could be wrong of course.

If I am right you won’t get a summons unless you don’t pay the fine within 56 days.

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

3 points for speeding...
They don't give a print out.

He can state you were at X speed and that's it...

They can’t, even if you are stopped with a gun they are obliged to show you the speed you were doing so I don’t how they could just say a speed sure how do they know their speedometer is accurate etc.

afatbollix

Am I missing somthing but why should he stop you for over taking him? Are we banned for over taking on a motorway now!

Were you speeding OP?

physioman

How long does it take for fine to come in the post. I got stopped by the gardai 4 weeks ago for speeding but never got a notice yet.

The Specialist

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

Hi, so I overtook an unmarked Garda car on the motorway and got stopped.

I was told by the guard that I would receive a ticket for driving without due care and attention which is 2 points, but upon research, I’ve read that it’s actually classed as Careless Driving which is a mandatory court appearance and 5 points?

He didn’t get a speed readout, but did tell me he recorded me overtaking him.

What should I expect in this scenario? Court summons?

What speed was he doing and what were you doing?

Atlantic Dawn

A bit of knowledge on the undercover fleet has saved me many points.

JeffKenna

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A bit of knowledge on the undercover fleet has saved me many points.

Do share...

Morgan Melted Pigeonhole

Morgan Melted Pigeonhole wrote: »

They can’t, even if you are stopped with a gun they are obliged to show you the speed you were doing so I don’t how they could just say a speed sure how do they know their speedometer is accurate etc.

But the guard is not giving him a ticket for speeding, so he doesn't need to show him anything

Force Carrier

afatbollix wrote: »

Am I missing somthing but why should he stop you for over taking him? Are we banned for over taking on a motorway now!

Were you speeding OP?

Speed is far from the only factor in a dangerous overtake.


Sometimes lack of speed is a factor in a dangerous or ill-judged overtake.

Atlantic Dawn

JeffKenna wrote: »

Do share...

In general they are D plates, tax disc only, saloon cars, no baby seats, no tow bar, poverty spec, Vectras/Focii/Hyundai i40 always approach these with care

ED E

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

What should I expect in this scenario? Court summons?

Driving without reasonable consideration IS 2 Pts or 4 at court.
Driver found to be driving carelessly is mandatory to court and 5 pts.

They're two different sections of the RTA. Expect a FCPN in the post (2pts and a fine of €80).

The Specialist

bubblypop wrote: »

But the guard is not giving him a ticket for speeding, so he doesn't need to show him anything

I think he does because he’s claiming the OP was speeding but has no proof except for being overtaken. The main question is what speed the guard was doing vs the OP? If guard traveling 110 and overtaken by a car at 120 it’s easily contested without an official reading.

The Specialist

The Specialist wrote: »

I think he does because he’s claiming the OP was speeding but has no proof except for being overtaken. The main question is what speed the guard was doing vs the OP? If guard traveling 110 and overtaken by a car at 120 it’s easily contested without an official reading.

He is not claiming the driver is speeding, he is not giving him a ticket for speeding.
The op said he was getting one for driving without due care & attention or without reasonable consideration of whatever it is.

Duke O Smiley

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In general they are D plates, tax disc only, saloon cars, no baby seats, no tow bar, poverty spec, Vectras/Focii/Hyundai i40 always approach these with care

Generally they don’t have dealer stickers in rear window or reg plate surrounds either.

Another one to look out for is the plain white Opel Combo van (current shape), there’s a few unmarked going around Dublin at least..

jay0109

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In general they are D plates, tax disc only, saloon cars, no baby seats, no tow bar, poverty spec, Vectras/Focii/Hyundai i40 always approach these with care

I'll look out for a baby seat any time I'm overtaking a D reg Vectra/Focus/i40...be easier done than squinting at the windscreen looking for an insurance disc

The Specialist

bubblypop wrote: »

He is not claiming the driver is speeding, he is not giving him a ticket for speeding.
The op said he was getting one for driving without due care & attention or without reasonable consideration of whatever it is.

Yes but that’s still nonsense and all depends on speed vs speed. It’s not illegal to overtake slow moving vehicles on a motorway.

James Bond Junior

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In general they are D plates, tax disc only, saloon cars, no baby seats, no tow bar, poverty spec, Vectras/Focii/Hyundai i40 always approach these with care

That's all you have? Ah here, we all know that! They have tastier metal that is a lot less noticeable. Here in Limerick they have a Volvo S80 that is almost invisible. There is a Golf R floating around somewhere too.

vandriver

A 161 Skoda Superb and a Black 530 in Dublin.

punisher5112

Morgan Melted Pigeonhole wrote: »

They can’t, even if you are stopped with a gun they are obliged to show you the speed you were doing so I don’t how they could just say a speed sure how do they know their speedometer is accurate etc.

Bull

Oops!

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In general they are D plates, tax disc only, saloon cars, no baby seats, no tow bar, poverty spec, Vectras/Focii/Hyundai i40 always approach these with care

They hover around my area in a 2005 poverty spec Focus saloon also.... The biggest give away is the heads on the pair sitting in the front seats.:D

Atlantic Dawn

James Bond Junior wrote: »

That's all you have? Ah here, we all know that! They have tastier metal that is a lot less noticeable. Here in Limerick they have a Volvo S80 that is almost invisible. There is a Golf R floating around somewhere too.

I'd say what I've mentioned covers 95% plus, there will always be some off the grid stuff they will have though.

James Bond Junior

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I'd say what I've mentioned covers 95% plus, there will always be some off the grid stuff they will have though.

I thought you had something worthwhile to give us was all.

Oops!

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I'd say what I've mentioned covers 95% plus, there will always be some off the grid stuff they will have though.

Couple of 7/8 year old poverty spec Mondeo's also... stand out like a sore thumb... Still have a few old v6 Mondeo's in the collage in Templemore also i think, they have nothing done...

Oops!

I remember nearly 20 years ago they had a 1.4 energy engined Megane saloon down this way.... My god it was wrecked! it usually came into the workshop on a tow truck! It did'nt last long!

punisher5112

Oops! wrote: »

I remember nearly 20 years ago they had a 1.4 energy engined Megane saloon down this way.... My god it was wrecked! it usually came into the workshop on a tow truck! It did'nt last long!

Laguna, Punto in Dublin city until very recently, gold and 2000.... Old 2002 avensis, all sorts....

Plenty of focii, Mondeo, fiesti still about....

Love the estate Mondeo with twin exhaust but some gobsheens removed the alloys on selection so steelies on it....

Use to love seeing the 2001 to 2007 mark 3 zetec s alloys on some of them about, looked smashing....

They have golfs and not big standard, Mondeo and focus top spec, Skoda's, etc.... Haven't seen the Vectra OPC lately but it was ex Northern....

We are well behind the UK when it comes to motors though...

punisher5112

Remember a 2004 carolla in Dundrum chasing a pajero in black around ballinteer, they made sh1te of the car... It was never the lovely new sparkling squad car after that....

Duke O Smiley

James Bond Junior wrote: »

I thought you had something worthwhile to give us was all.

There’s a grey 161 Focus ST floating around Dublin, they pulled my old man last year for “speeding” but when they realized he wasn’t who they were looking for they told him out straight, they have better things to be doing than doing him for speeding :P ..or words to that effect

There’s plenty of nice and interesting metal going around Dublin but they’ve much bigger fish to fry really, so joe soap needn’t worry about being caught doing a few k over the speed limit by them

Most interesting yoke I’ve seen has been a black new model Superb

Duke O Smiley

punisher5112 wrote: »

Laguna, Punto in Dublin city until very recently, gold and 2000.... Old 2002 avensis, all sorts....

Plenty of focii, Mondeo, fiesti still about....

Love the estate Mondeo with twin exhaust but some gobsheens removed the alloys on selection so steelies on it....

Use to love seeing the 2001 to 2007 mark 3 zetec s alloys on some of them about, looked smashing....

They have golfs and not big standard, Mondeo and focus top spec, Skoda's, etc.... Haven't seen the Vectra OPC lately but it was ex Northern....

We are well behind the UK when it comes to motors though...

Late 90s Camrys and Maximas were around until a few years ago too..

And those purple Subaru Foresters, dunno if they’re still going. Think they were 05

punisher5112

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Late 90s Camrys and Maximas were around until a few years ago too..

And those purple Subaru Foresters, dunno if they’re still going. Think they were 05

Very true, they were seriously quick... Don't forget the non D reg vehicles also ...

See plenty and best was 2 uniform Gaurds getting out of a import Celica with blue lights ....

Rathfarnham had a 2002 Corsa and blue light was in rear head rest

mattser

As per usual on Boards, the OP starts a thread with fcuk all relevant detail and does a runner. And what follows in this case, is a discussion about cars.

punisher5112

mattser wrote: »

As per usual on Boards, the OP starts a thread with fcuk all relevant detail and does a runner. And what follows in this case, is a discussion about cars.

I like girls and cars.....


Ummm cars

Oops!

punisher5112 wrote: »

Laguna, Punto in Dublin city until very recently, gold and 2000.... Old 2002 avensis, all sorts....

Plenty of focii, Mondeo, fiesti still about....

Love the estate Mondeo with twin exhaust but some gobsheens removed the alloys on selection so steelies on it....

Use to love seeing the 2001 to 2007 mark 3 zetec s alloys on some of them about, looked smashing....

They have golfs and not big standard, Mondeo and focus top spec, Skoda's, etc.... Haven't seen the Vectra OPC lately but it was ex Northern....

We are well behind the UK when it comes to motors though...

The old ex Northern unmarked 2ltr Vectra's were very popular on the Night Navigation scene back a few years ago... Sold off fitted with Bilstein suspension and a sump guard as standard!

Atlantic Dawn

I suppose fitting a €100 dashcam in each undercover car would have the unions up in arms.

punisher5112

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I suppose fitting a €100 dashcam in each undercover car would have the unions up in arms.

To be honest all should be fully equipped and all Gaurds have body cams....

They won't have that for at least 10 years if not 20....

They are still in the 80s with writing in a little black book...

Glass fused light

Do they still have a white land rover?

selectamatic

I posted this in another thread but got no reply so it may as well go here too.

Anyone able to confirm if the unmarked navy Pajero 07MO reg and the unmarked black landcruiser are still on the go over castlebar direction. I'm near certain I saw the Pajero last week. But I thought both had been retired.

mattser

Any chance the thread could reference the OP? As in, I overtook an unmarked car. That's not any offence as I see it.

Odyssey 2005

Or this.!!

Atlantic Dawn

punisher5112 wrote: »

To be honest all should be fully equipped and all Gaurds have body cams....

They won't have that for at least 10 years if not 20....

They are still in the 80s with writing in a little black book...

Agreed, unions won't allow it, such a backward as fook force.

Oops!

selectamatic wrote: »

I posted this in another thread but got no reply so it may as well go here too.

Anyone able to confirm if the unmarked navy Pajero 07MO reg and the unmarked black landcruiser are still on the go over castlebar direction. I'm near certain I saw the Pajero last week. But I thought both had been retired.

I met a navy 08 unmarked Pajero in the services outside Limerick a few months ago the time there was a few raids in the area... Few squad cars there that day also filling the tanks and they all having a bite to eat...

Worked in the workshop in a main dealers back in the 00's and we were looking after all the squad cars in the town and surrounding areas... It was funny seeing peoples reactions on the road when taking them out on a test drive after maintenance or collecting/delivering them!

Odyssey 2005

181 golf. More blue lights than DAP. File too big to post. 181 D 12584

italodisco

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In general they are D plates, tax disc only, saloon cars, no baby seats, no tow bar, poverty spec, Vectras/Focii/Hyundai i40 always approach these with care

Lol where im living in north inner city dublin they have unmarked audi q8 a black one plus a silver and a grey, thwy have multiple bmw saloons ranging from 3 and 5 series unmarked, suzuki swift, old 2006 sky blue bmw x5.... The little box on the dash stuck to the windscreen typically gives it away but aome of them domt have it just have strobes in the bumper and grill.

They pulled me in north strand as some chavs through a full milkshake at the front of the car and i got oit and gave one a clatter, next thing an unmarked silver 3 series pulled up and asked me what happened.

You never know whos watching lol

kravmaga

physioman wrote: »

How long does it take for fine to come in the post. I got stopped by the gardai 4 weeks ago for speeding but never got a notice yet.

Your not out of the woods yet, it could take up to 6 months, if you dont hear anything in that time period, your ok

Sexual Chocolate

There's still a good few mk3 mondeos around but no where to the extent of a few years ago. Seen the Zetec S recently without its original alloys. Actually looks ridiculous on standard 16s. Also a MK2 parked up in the HQ. Could be a civilian car but who knows.

I've seen the Superb around a few time as well on blue lights, looks well. Believe there the 180ps. Should of bought them from the start !

TheDriver

Don't forget the "hidden" blue light auctioned onto windscreen under mirror. Nearly akways hyundais nowadays.

Odyssey 2005

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

There's still a good few mk3 mondeos around but no where to the extent of a few years ago. Seen the Zetec S recently without its original alloys. Actually looks ridiculous on standard 16s. Also a MK2 parked up in the HQ. Could be a civilian car but who knows.

I've seen the Superb around a few time as well on blue lights, looks well. Believe there the 180ps. Should of bought them from the start !

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