Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

Gatling

Seems iran military can't even defend their forces in Syria and these are pretty small scale air attacks

Israeli Regional Cooperation Minister Tzachi Hanegbi said on Sunday morning that "Israel is the only country in the world that has been killing Iranians for two years now."

Speaking in an interview with Kan Bet radio about escalating tensions with Tehran, Hanegbi added that Israel "strikes the Iranians hundreds of times in Syria, sometimes admits it and sometimes foreign reports reveal it. Sometimes the chief of staff [reveals it], sometimes the outgoing air force chief [reveals it], but it's all coordinated policy."
Asked "what would happen should Israel get in trouble with Iran," in light of what the interviewer called "America's cautious response to the confrontation between Britain and Tehran against the backdrop of the alliance between the two countries," the minister said: "You can see that the Iranians are very limited in their responses, and it's not because they don't have abilities, it's because they understand that Israel means business
Hangebi went on to add that Israel is "very aggressive when it comes to our national security... We still didn't see the Iranians backing off from their intention to entrench themselves militarily in Syria, and this campaign isn't over. But they know exactly who to mess with, and who can be annoyed. We can't."

cnocbui

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Let's break out the crayons here for you,the US backed out of a deal that was working fine and Iran was complying with according to all relevant agencies,the rest of the signatories to the deal tried holding it together,the US imposes sanctions on Iran,the US sends a battle group to the strait of Hormuz to put pressure on,the US sends a drone into Iranian airspace which quite rightly they shoot down,the US gets its poodle to detain an Iranian tanker,the iranians respond by detaining tankers....and here we are today,those tankers that were attacked? I'm reminded of that prop of a vial of anthrax at a UN meeting,you know that one? The one that cost a million lives...

Leave off with the puerile crayon comments. You have failed to establish a logical cause and effect relationship for US forces magically causing Iran to act as it has has been. If you had said Iran seized three ships because Britain seized one of theirs, I would have agreed. If you had said Trump is acting the prawn, so Iran is too, that would make sense, but the US having a military presence near the strait of Hormuz isn't something that somehow automatically causes Iran to act in a certain way nor is it excuse for them doing so. The US have had a significant military presence in the region many times previously without any signs of your nonsense assertion of cause and effect. Iran were probably quietly cheering the US on when they had forces there clobbering Saddam.

cnocbui

Gatling wrote: »

Seems iran military can't even defend their forces in Syria and these are pretty small scale air attacks

Israeli Regional Cooperation Minister Tzachi Hanegbi said on Sunday morning that "Israel is the only country in the world that has been killing Iranians for two years now."

Speaking in an interview with Kan Bet radio about escalating tensions with Tehran, Hanegbi added that Israel "strikes the Iranians hundreds of times in Syria, sometimes admits it and sometimes foreign reports reveal it. Sometimes the chief of staff [reveals it], sometimes the outgoing air force chief [reveals it], but it's all coordinated policy."
Asked "what would happen should Israel get in trouble with Iran," in light of what the interviewer called "America's cautious response to the confrontation between Britain and Tehran against the backdrop of the alliance between the two countries," the minister said: "You can see that the Iranians are very limited in their responses, and it's not because they don't have abilities, it's because they understand that Israel means business
Hangebi went on to add that Israel is "very aggressive when it comes to our national security... We still didn't see the Iranians backing off from their intention to entrench themselves militarily in Syria, and this campaign isn't over. But they know exactly who to mess with, and who can be annoyed. We can't."

Slam dunk.

ArchXStanton

cnocbui wrote: »

Leave off with the puerile crayon comments. You have failed to establish a logical cause and effect relationship for US forces magically causing Iran to act as it has has been. If you had said Iran seized three ships because Britain seized one of theirs, I would have agreed. If you had said Trump is acting the prawn, so Iran is too, that would make sense, but the US having a military presence near the strait of Hormuz isn't something that somehow automatically causes Iran to act in a certain way nor is it excuse for them doing so. The US have had a significant military presence in the region many times previously without any signs of your nonsense assertion of cause and effect. Iran were probably quietly cheering the US on when they had forces there clobbering Saddam.

Please explain "Iran acting as it has been"? I'm all ears..

ArchXStanton

cnocbui wrote: »

Leave off with the puerile crayon comments. You have failed to establish a logical cause and effect relationship for US forces magically causing Iran to act as it has has been. If you had said Iran seized three ships because Britain seized one of theirs, I would have agreed. If you had said Trump is acting the prawn, so Iran is too, that would make sense, but the US having a military presence near the strait of Hormuz isn't something that somehow automatically causes Iran to act in a certain way nor is it excuse for them doing so. The US have had a significant military presence in the region many times previously without any signs of your nonsense assertion of cause and effect. Iran were probably quietly cheering the US on when they had forces there clobbering Saddam.

Aye Gatling,Iran must be ****ting themselves...let's rewind to 2006...not such tough guys after all...its showtime folks..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bIt2eblH88

archer22

^^^^^^

The state of the art Israeli warship couldn't stop an old Chinese Silkworm anti ship missile :pac:

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

Seems iran military can't even defend their forces in Syria and these are pretty small scale air attacks

Israeli Regional Cooperation Minister Tzachi Hanegbi said on Sunday morning that "Israel is the only country in the world that has been killing Iranians for two years now."

Speaking in an interview with Kan Bet radio about escalating tensions with Tehran, Hanegbi added that Israel "strikes the Iranians hundreds of times in Syria, sometimes admits it and sometimes foreign reports reveal it. Sometimes the chief of staff [reveals it], sometimes the outgoing air force chief [reveals it], but it's all coordinated policy."
Asked "what would happen should Israel get in trouble with Iran," in light of what the interviewer called "America's cautious response to the confrontation between Britain and Tehran against the backdrop of the alliance between the two countries," the minister said: "You can see that the Iranians are very limited in their responses, and it's not because they don't have abilities, it's because they understand that Israel means business
Hangebi went on to add that Israel is "very aggressive when it comes to our national security... We still didn't see the Iranians backing off from their intention to entrench themselves militarily in Syria, and this campaign isn't over. But they know exactly who to mess with, and who can be annoyed. We can't."

As far we know Israel is targetting missile supplies and armaments deliveries to groups in Syria. Iran would like to maintain plausible deniability about this. Iran had made the choice to not intervene and hit back. They trying to avoid strikes by sneaking in weapons and sometimes Israel catches them in the act and hits them. There know evidence there killing scores of Iran military personnel, they deliveries are handed over to militas and they targeted. You see a very different response if Iran is attacked.

cnocbui

You're a riot - like the reaction from Iran when Israel took out Iran's reactor with a covert airstrike in 1981?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

As far we know Israel is targetting missile supplies and armaments deliveries to groups in Syria. Iran would like to maintain

existence.

They are Afraid of Israel .

Nothing more and nothing less .

ArchXStanton

archer22 wrote: »

^^^^^^

The state of the art Israeli warship couldn't stop an old Chinese Silkworm anti ship missile :pac:

The beautiful part about that was,that ship was firing on Lebanese cities killing civilians and destroying homes,the Israelis thought they were invincible,the even more beautiful part was Hezbollah had planned it all day and timed it as Hassan Nasrallah was live on TV waiting on a signal that the attack was a success so he could announce it to the world....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR4KIJk5q0U

I Don't expect Gatling to chime in,I think he has me on ignore for repeatedly pulling him up on his lies :pac:

Cheerful Spring2

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Aye Gatling,Iran must be ****ting themselves...let's rewind to 2006...not such tough guys after all...its showtime folks..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bIt2eblH88

2006 war surprised the Isreali army and well documented by their soldiers later. Around 60 Israel owned main battle tanks were damaged and they lost 120 soldiers and many hundreds were injured. Lebanon of course suffered also and Hezbollah fighters also died in clashes. The tactics Hezbelloh used was surprising and Israelis suffered defeats in clashes. It did not go as they expected and they found the Hezbollah units were professional and well trained and able to fight a modern army. You even see some of their new gear in this video, weapons and and night glasses to see in the dark to carry out small raids. Hezbollah is not now recieving new weapons from Iran for a new war.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Around 60 Israel owned main battle tanks were damaged

It's less than 10 badly damaged and returned to service within weeks ,

Next makey up claim

The Late Late Show

cnocbui wrote: »

You're a riot - like the reaction from Iran when Israel took out Iran's reactor with a covert airstrike in 1981?

Iraq?

Gatling

I remember when Israel flew into Syria and bombed Iranian military facilities.

The Syrians returned in kind and shot down a russian aircraft killing on board..

So Israel has apparently killed thousands of Iranians in Syria and elsewhere and shown to be incapable of stopping Israel from targeting it's military and terrorist proxies.

Which shows the fear they have of Israel.

But yet posters on here have spent weeks bigging up Irans military prowess and peer to peer ability to fight America and its allies .


Seems to be comple disconnection between heads and keyboards

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

It's less than 10 badly damaged and returned to service within weeks ,

Next makey up claim

I have read different claims from 54 to around 60.

If you saying its only 10 provide a link?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I have read different

No surprises there unfortunately

Timberrrrrrrr

cnocbui wrote: »

You're a riot - like the reaction from Iran when Israel took out Iran's reactor with a covert airstrike in 1981?

37 years ago :pac:

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

No surprises there unfortunately

So know link for 10 tanks only damaged. You just made it all up again.

Israeli sources have admitted to 52. Others sources claim 60 Merkava main tanks were damaged.

10 you claim. Isreal admits to 52.

Former Observer

Can someone explain what right the UK has to take possession of the Iranian ship? Surely Iran isn't a signatory to whatever 'sanctions' against Syria the EU have decided upon.

Varik

Former Observer wrote: »

Can someone explain what right the UK has to take possession of the Iranian ship? Surely Iran isn't a signatory to whatever 'sanctions' against Syria the EU have decided upon.

It was in British water off Gibraltar, British laws apply and so do the embargo/sanction against Syria.

Iran on the other hand seized the UK flagged ship in Omani waters, so they've no such defence.

Odhinn

Former Observer wrote: »

Can someone explain what right the UK has to take possession of the Iranian ship? Surely Iran isn't a signatory to whatever 'sanctions' against Syria the EU have decided upon.

UN sanctions would be applied regardless, afaik. However it looks like that it was an act to suck up to the US more than anything else.

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

I remember when Israel flew into Syria and bombed Iranian military facilities.

The Syrians returned in kind and shot down a russian aircraft killing on board..

So Israel has apparently killed thousands of Iranians in Syria and elsewhere and shown to be incapable of stopping Israel from targeting it's military and terrorist proxies.

Which shows the fear they have of Israel.

But yet posters on here have spent weeks bigging up Irans military prowess and peer to peer ability to fight America and its allies .


Seems to be comple disconnection between heads and keyboards

100s of Iranians killled in Syria- provide another link for this claim. You confusing Iran backed shia militas in Syria with Iranian soldiers again.

Israel carried out a strike in same airspace where a Russian survillence plane was in the air, they Isreal airforce used it as cover to hide themselves. Russia complained they will not tolerate this again and not giving them a warning they were going to bomb there. Syria opened fire thinking it was an Isreali plane.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

So know link for 10 tanks only damaged.

I said 10 badly damaged ,
The Rest were returned to service within weeks

For over 1000 anti tank missiles fired .


Now let's take that figure in 1000 anti tank missles fired at isreali tanks and only 10 were badly damaged - even if you add 50 others suffered some kind of damage .

1000 missles and only badly damage 10 tanks not 100 ,not 250 ,not 3,4,5 hundred tanks badly damaged but "Ten"

ArchXStanton

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I have read different claims from 54 to around 60.

If you saying its only 10 provide a link?

Judging by the tanks I've seen in various videos...they were fit for the scrap heap,if even,totally mangled by Russian anti tank kornets,american Abram tanks included

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Syria opened fire thinking it was an Isreali plane.

Thinking ! when it was clearly a Russian aircraft

Cheerful Spring2

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Judging by the tanks I've seen in various videos...they were fit for the scrap heap,if even,totally mangled by Russian anti tank kornets,american Abram tanks included

I only said damaged i have sources for damage, not destroyed completely. Isreali sources was 52. Gatling claiming 10 and never seen anyone claim this but him. Videos do show burned out vehicles and severe damage..

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

Thinking ! when it was clearly a Russian aircraft

Israel warplanes flew in Syrian airspace and gave the Russians no warning they also used the Russian plane as cover for the attack. Russia was admanat it was there fault it got shot down. Syria defence reacted to being attacked. It not clear on radar if there planes in the same area bombing. It clear as day Isreal caused this incident.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Israel warplanes flew in Syrian

Bombed Iranian military facilities and flew back to Israel unchecked.

Anything else is made up russian propaganda that couldn't explain how their air defences have shown to be less than below average preformance

archer22

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Judging by the tanks I've seen in various videos...they were fit for the scrap heap,if even,totally mangled by Russian anti tank kornets,american Abram tanks included

They were in such a state :eek:...I don't think even scrap dealers would be interested in them

fryup

is this going to affect fuel prices?