Garda Apology

Nobelium

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Seemingly the father of the child was fined £10 for shagging a fellow garda recruit. But no apology for him from Drew or Charlie, nor any offer to give him back the £10 plus interest.

Equality my hole.

£ 90, but yes he was charged, faced a disciplinary inquiry and found guilty and charged. Her charges were dropped, she faced no disciplinary inquiry, and was just cautioned. The male guard also offered to marry her, but she refused and didn't want to look after the kid.

Mrsmum

90 pounds was my first weekly wage at that time. Not sure how much a garda recruit would be on.

Nobelium

riemann wrote: »

Repeating this doesn't make it true, and I've no idea how you came to this conclusion.

She was 22 and getting a lot of pressure from all sides.

Other female Gardai who found themselves in the same position kept their children and their job.

Edgware wrote: »

The Garda regulations of the time obviously had a catch all charge " bringing the Garda Siochana into disrepute"
I do know of a female Garda who became a single mother also around that time and she received a transfer to near her family home and kept the baby.

ceadaoin.

Why are people acting like she is completely to blame for her situation because she didn't want to get married (to a person who I assume was a casual partner) in a country where divorce wasn't an option at the time?

I haven't heard the interview but from the article I read, it seems like she would have kept the child if she wasn't put under pressure to adopt from all sides.

Jupiter Mulligan

Nobelium wrote: »

The male guard also offered to marry her, but she refused

She owes him £90.

Mrsmum

Nobelium wrote: »

Other female Gardai who found themselves in the same position kept their children and their job.

I don't think you can say she just didn't want to look after the child. That's simplistic. Probably knew she didn't have the wherewithal to do it by herself and didn't want to marry him.
But I do think she made her choice and I don't agree with her blaming others for that decision.

Nobelium

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Why are people acting like she is completely to blame for her situation because she didn't want to get married (to a person who I assume was a casual partner) in a country where divorce wasn't an option at the time?

I haven't heard the interview but from the article I read, it seems like she would have kept the child if she wasn't put under pressure to adopt from all sides.

Who's blaming her for not getting married ? and she could have kept the child if she wanted to look after it. Other unmarried female guards at the time did.

Allinall

Nobelium wrote: »

She didn't want to get married, she didn't want to look after the child, and now she wants to sue the state . . .

You just made that up.

Shame on you.

Cork Trucker

Elemonator wrote: »

In fairness, she is due a lot of compensation.

The horrible concept of illegitimate children are just imaginary sticks religious nutjobs use to beat others they think are inferior.

I'm the child of a man who had an extra marital affair, should i sue his wife for my existence and the subsequent years in state care because she wasn't doing a good job on my father (a state employee at the time) in bed? My mother was only a school girl who wasn't even at junior cert age when he shacked up with her so can't blame her.

Nobelium

Allinall wrote: »

Shame on you.

Shame ? lol some things never change

Cork Trucker

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

She owes him £90.

what were the wages of the day in comparison to the fine?

Allinall

Nobelium wrote: »

Shame ? lol some things never change

Yep.

Arseholes will always be arseholes.

MrFresh

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

She owes him £90.

For what?

Jupiter Mulligan

MrFresh wrote: »

For what?

Getting him into trouble, of course. :rolleyes:

Jupiter Mulligan

Allinall wrote: »

Yep.

Arseholes will always be arseholes.

If the pair of them had used that orifice then the problem would never have arisen.

Mrsmum

This is from The Sun, not sure if it's correct but if it is, the Archbishop only got involved because she herself through CURA made the situation known to him.


"In 1985, with the disciplinary proceedings still hanging over her, Majella was told by a colleague that they heard she was going to be sacked.
In turn, Majella spoke to Mena Robinson, from CURA, the Catholic Church's Crisis Pregnancy Agency.
A meeting followed between the then Garda Commissioner Larry Wren, Archbishop Kevin McNamara, and and Ms Robinson in the Archbishop’s Palace.
Majella told the documentary: "Mena came back to me after that meeting, and told me that Archbishop McNamara turned to Larry Wren and said ‘If you sack Majella, you’re opening the gates to England’."

Sixtoes

judeboy101 wrote: »

She knowingly had sex outside marriage and an illegitimate child with a fellow recruit , in a time where rightly or wrongly, would bring disrepute to the office of garda. What did she think would happen?

You are scum.

ceadaoin.

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I'm the child of a man who had an extra marital affair, should i sue his wife for my existence and the subsequent years in state care because she wasn't doing a good job on my father (a state employee at the time) in bed? My mother was only a school girl who wasn't even at junior cert age when he shacked up with her so can't blame her.

Why not blame the person who "shacked up with" and impregnated an underage girl and then seemingly abandoned her and the child? It doesn't seem like the two women in the situation described had much choice over what happened.

Jupiter Mulligan

Sixtoes wrote: »

You are scum.

Translation: I disagree with you but haven't the ability to articulate why.

Sixtoes

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Translation: I disagree with you but haven't the ability to articulate why.

You are scum also. Get a life you prick.


Mod

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Sixtoes wrote: »

You are scum also. Get a life you prick.

Not a great argument

Mrsmum

Does anyone know if she is in contact with her grown son now ?

eviltwin

Mrsmum wrote: »

Does anyone know if she is in contact with her grown son now ?

They are.

Nobelium

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Translation: I disagree with you but haven't the ability to articulate why.

yep, they always resort to personal attacks, the last refuge of the fact-less, as soon as it's exposed that the reality doesn't match the spin.

Edgware

Mrsmum wrote: »

Does anyone know if she is in contact with her grown son now ?

ffs will you listen to the programme or read even one newspaper

Mrsmum

eviltwin wrote: »

They are.

That's great.

Jupiter Mulligan

Nobelium wrote: »

yep, they always resort to personal attacks, the last refuge of the fact-less, as soon as it's exposed that the reality doesn't match the spin.

The depressing thing is that it recently joined the Irish public service at a starting salary of €40K a year. Seems a shockingly high starting salary for such an uncouth, inarticulate, foul mouthed specimen.

Mrsmum

Edgware wrote: »

ffs will you listen to the programme or read even one newspaper

Actually I didn't hear the programme but I read a piece on it from The IT, RTE and even The Sun and it wasn't mentioned. Relax, it's hardly worth a ffs.

Sixtoes

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Translation: last week teacher taught me the word "scum" and then someone in the playground said "prick" and we all laughed. I really like those two words and I am trying to use them as often as possible.

Translation: Jupiter Mulligan = arse hole.

Sixtoes

BOOM

Dyr

Did Nicky Kelly receive an apology from our resident RUC man?

Frank McBrearty?

Family of the murdered Richie Barron?


Funny set of priorities our society has these days :rolleyes:

Sephiroth_dude

Mod

Less of the name calling and personal abuse please, attack the post not the poster.

Thread re-opened.

cj maxx

What are we talking about here.
Link to the story anyone??

deandean

Sorry but I don't like unreserved apologies 30+ years after the fact, by people who had nothing to do with it.
They tend to cost me, the taxpayer, a lot of money.

tedpan

cjmc wrote: »

What are we talking about here.
Link to the story anyone??

this

Elemonator

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I'm the child of a man who had an extra marital affair, should i sue his wife for my existence and the subsequent years in state care because she wasn't doing a good job on my father (a state employee at the time) in bed? My mother was only a school girl who wasn't even at junior cert age when he shacked up with her so can't blame her.

That really doesn't make any sense. She is due a lot of compensation, between forced adoption and the depravity of the situation.

In your situation I'd blame your father is to blame. Doesn't seem like either his wife or your mother had anything to do with or control over the situation. It's statutory rape in fact.

Nobelium

Elemonator wrote: »

She is due a lot of compensation, between forced adoption and the depravity of the situation.

There was no 'forced' adoption. Other female Gardai who found themselves in that situation at that time, opted to keep the child and kept their jobs. They were even transferred closer to home.

Edgware wrote: »

The Commissioner and Minister doing the PR job and announcing an apology. The correct approach would be to meet Majella in person.

The Garda regulations of the time obviously had a catch all charge " bringing the Garda Siochana into disrepute"
I do know of a female Garda who became a single mother also around that time and she received a transfer to near her family home and kept the baby. Does that mean different approaches to this situation occurred in different Garda areas?

endacl

judeboy101 wrote: »

So let's explore this, let's say jimmy arrives in temple more tomorrow and starts to sell legal but highly distasteful German dungeon porn to his fellow recruits. Hq find out and he is kicked off the force for bringing them into disrepute. 5 yrs later German dungeon porn becomes mainstream and popular, everyone watches it. Should he get compo and an apology? No he doesn't, he knew what I would happen, just like she did.

Jaysus. You just love winning, don’t you....

Beechwoodspark

So is this what happened

She got pregnant by another recruit

The recruit offered to marry her, she refused

She then was put under pressure by Garda management to put her baby for adoption which she did. Against her will

Then she kept her job in the guards until late 90s

Is that it more or less.

Harry Palmr

What an amazing thread, which makes one wonder if this place is any better than the attitudes laid bare again of "old Ireland".

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

So is this what happened

She got pregnant by another recruit

The recruit offered to marry her, she refused

She then was put under pressure by Garda management to put her baby for adoption which she did. Against her will

Then she kept her job in the guards until late 90s

Is that it more or less.

That's it in a nutshell. It wasn't the dark ages. Contraception was readily available. She's obviously feeling guilty for her actions. She should be embarrassed to be drawing attention to herself.

MrFresh

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Getting him into trouble, of course. :rolleyes:

How did she get him into trouble?

It is an interesting question more generally as to how getting a big pile of taxpayer cash while the perpetrators retire on full pensions somehow makes up for past wrongs.

If I were her or anyone else I'd much prefer those directly involved to pay me a smaller sum from their own pensions - enough to reduce theirs to the basic state pension. Even then this is a difficult one because the majority of people would have agreed with the Garda decision at the time.

That way things might actually change. In this case it has changed because culturally society has changed, but many other injustices can and still do happen today.

1641

Deleted User wrote: »

That's it in a nutshell. It wasn't the dark ages. Contraception was readily available.

Contraception was widely available ? Get lost.

In the early 80s we were still operating under the Health (Family Planning) Act, 1979 - the "Irish solution for an Irish problem".
Contraception was available for "bona fide family planning purposes" and had to be dispensed by a Pharmacist on production of a valid medical prescription. There were Family Planning clinics in the cities which circumvented this - and around the country there could be found GPs who interpreted "bona fide family planning purposes" loosely but it was still a act of determination and subterfuge for singles to get contraceptives. It certainly could be done but they were not widely available and you would probably be technically breaking the law. It wasn't until 1985 that the law was liberalised (somewhat).

boetstark

riemann wrote: »

So this lady is talking about getting personal apologies from 2 heads that didn't have anything to do with how she was treated over 30 years ago.

If she's so keen to move forward why bring all this up after so long?

Why go after people who didn't do anything to her, instead of pointing the finger at those actually responsible?

One wonders what the end game is.

Loves limelight and money in equal measure. Terrible what was done to her but that was Ireland in the 80's.
She is rubbing drew Harris nose in it

1641

1641 wrote: »

Contraception was widely available ? Get lost.

In the early 80s we were still operating under the Health (Family Planning) Act, 1979 - the "Irish solution for an Irish problem".
Contraception was available for "bona fide family planning purposes" and had to be dispensed by a Pharmacist on production of a valid medical prescription. There were Family Planning clinics in the cities which circumvented this - and around the country there could be found GPs who interpreted "bona fide family planning purposes" loosely but it was still a act of determination and subterfuge for singles to get contraceptives. It certainly could be done but they were not widely available and you would probably be technically breaking the law. It wasn't until 1985 that the law was liberalised (somewhat).

When I was in college in 1989 there was war when they installed a condom machine. There was even a friend of mine who was against it. To this day we take the piss out of him over it.

1641

1641 wrote: »

Contraception was widely available ? Get lost.

In the early 80s we were still operating under the Health (Family Planning) Act, 1979 - the "Irish solution for an Irish problem".
Contraception was available for "bona fide family planning purposes" and had to be dispensed by a Pharmacist on production of a valid medical prescription. There were Family Planning clinics in the cities which circumvented this - and around the country there could be found GPs who interpreted "bona fide family planning purposes" loosely but it was still a act of determination and subterfuge for singles to get contraceptives. It certainly could be done but they were not widely available and you would probably be technically breaking the law. It wasn't until 1985 that the law was liberalised (somewhat).

In 1983, a single woman just had to go to her GP and get a prescription for the Pill, same as now. This is FACT. Mind you, they also had to get a prescription in order to legally obtain condoms!

boetstark

honeybear wrote: »

Agree. Heard radio documentary yesterday (think it’s repeated tonight at 7). Not an easy listening experience.

Which she has got , twice

skooterblue2

She played a dangerous game back then. She knew the field she knew the consequences and repercussions. Play dangerous games win stupid prizes.