About them Government people reacting to climate change lads

Thelonious Monk

Blueshoe wrote: »

Ireland is responsible for 0.13% of global emissions.

Paddy will dig deep to save the world. Hon Paddy

(You guilible eejit)

Why should we be exempt from reducing our footprint?

Calhoun

is_that_so wrote: »

All that banning stuff is a long way away and if by criticism you mean Brian Stanley and Brid Smith I'd say the Government are quaking in their boots. There are some good basic principles in it but it was never going to satisfy everybody. What's done and how it's done over that timescale will be the proof of it.

No I also meant Eamonn Ryan, Timmy Dooley and the rest criticising it and the vox pop by RTE was not very supportive.

As I said time will tell how well it goes over but if the narrative of punitive measures without viable alternatives keeps spinning we will do nothing with it as per usual.

The only way we will make this happen in a meaningful way is by helping people along.

Blueshoe

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Why should we be exempt from reducing our footprint?

This is a money grab.
The "green wave" . 8% voted for the greens 92% didn't.

Any indication given today that the tax collected will be ring fenced for climate action? I didn't see any.

EmmetSpiceland

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The funniest I have heard about todays plan is the out right ban on the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2030. That is in less than 11 years time.

I cannot wait to see how they deliver that notion.

It’s fine, I, we’ll have hit “the singularity” by then and will be whizzing around in flying cars powered by “cold fusion” or whatever fancy power source will be available.

cj maxx

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Exactly, and we continue to build houses in the middle of nowhere so unfortunately Ireland will always be very car reliant.

Will Leo swap me 50 acres where I live and farm for another 50ac near a town with transportation and everything else so I won’t have need to travel

Icsics

Tax is this Governments answer to everything. It's time for a yellow vest movement here. I'm fed up paying huge taxes for poor services. But this 'carbon tax' is an absolute con.

_blaaz

Deosnt go near far enough

Blueshoe

_blaaz wrote: »

Deosnt go near far enough

What else should they have added?

whisky_galore

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The funniest I have heard about todays plan is the out right ban on the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2030. That is in less than 11 years time.

I cannot wait to see how they deliver that notion.

Oh so convenient for car manufacturers and our own SIMI, part of the cartel who screw the Irish motorist. Plenty serviceable older cars with years in them instead of wasting resources on new ones.

Thelonious Monk

cjmc wrote: »

Will Leo swap me 50 acres where I live and farm for another 50ac near a town with transportation and everything else so I won’t have need to travel

Well you live and farm so you need to be there. Most people living in the middle of nowhere who are reliant on cars aren't farmers though.

IAMAMORON

I would say the green diesel bhoys are rubbing their hands in anticipation of the diesel ban. I cannot wait until around 2035 and people start giving dirty looks to classic car drivers on the west coast. Anyone taking their MG out for a spin to Clifden will be labelled as Ozone killers and told to scrap their cars.

What will be entirely side splitting however, is when the global scientific guild make a bipolar 180o turn on the merits of the electric car industry and declare it an " unwelcome" result of the energy crisis.

Scientists remind me of the Roman Catholic church during the turn of the 10th century. Only " they " seem to know how to save the world and stop everyone from burning in hell. If you aren't a scientist, and don't know what the ozone layer is, you are laughed at for being a fool and ostracised for having a poor social conscience and being a " denier ". They use to hang heretics for being " non believers".

Austria!

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Scientists remind me of the Roman Catholic church during the turn of the 10th century. Only " they " seem to know how to save the world and stop everyone from burning in hell. If you aren't a scientist, and don't know what the ozone layer is, you are laughed at for being a fool and ostracised for having a poor social conscience and being a " denier ". They use to hang heretics for being " non believers".

And their continuous attempts at reproducing results, applying appropriate controls and falsifying hypotheses is bit like how those monks wear funny hats.

IAMAMORON

Austria! wrote: »

And their continuous attempts at reproducing results, applying appropriate controls and falsifying hypotheses is bit like how those monks wear funny hats.

I am not joking on this one, sorry for having to clarify.

The whole issue of climate change has evolved into an issue of social conscience. I wouldn't know a millibar if I saw one, however I am constantly being told by media and everything else that I have a " carbon footprint " and that I should be more " aware " of clmate change.

I can't prove otherwise, but if I don't believe, I am being labelled as an antisocial non believer who is harming the planet, " if you don't believe us and pay your carbon tax you are part of the problem "

To me that is identical to how religion got so powerful. Educated people in authority dictated to the masses that they need to believe in this religion or the world would end and they would go to hell.

It is not all that different in fairness.

mgn

Looks like i'm going to have to open up my bog again that hasn't being used in years.And the more tax the put on oil and coal the more trees i will cut.
Sick listening to these politicians on about being world leaders in climate change so that the look good in Europe.Half the world doesn't even know where Ireland is in the first place.

_Kaiser_

mgn wrote: »

Looks like i'm going to have to open up my bog again that hasn't being used in years.And the more tax the put on oil and coal the more trees i will cut.
Sick listening to these politicians on about being world leaders in climate change so that the look good in Europe.Half the world doesn't even know where Ireland is in the first place.

Our national inferiority complex and "need" for approval and validation from abroad is an ongoing issue alright.

This is just another cash grab by FG on the back of poor election results for them - as has already been said, 92% didn't partake in this "Green Wave". Leo turning up in a hybrid Dublin Bus to launch it just shows how much of a stunt it is.

Let's see how many are in favour when a litre of diesel costs 20c more (a figure I saw earlier), how much the "easy pay" retrofit programme will cost (and what about renters? Presume this will hike their costs even further?), and still more charges come in - and for what? "Attaboys" on social media :rolleyes:

Fann Linn

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Well you live and farm so you need to be there. Most people living in the middle of nowhere who are reliant on cars aren't farmers though.

So will Leo move us all into cities besides our jobs so.

Blueshoe

Fann Linn wrote: »

So will Leo move us all into cities besides our jobs so.

Leo will be gone in the next election or the one after. His plans will follow him out the door.

We can't build a hospital or even a road properly. Broadband? Forget about it.

Have you seen the plans for climate action? Pie in the sky

Thelonious Monk

Fann Linn wrote: »

So will Leo move us all into cities besides our jobs so.

Yes, yes he will.

Fann Linn

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes, yes he will.

I thought so. I fancy a nice one in Dalkey so.

mgn

Fann Linn wrote: »

So will Leo move us all into cities besides our jobs so.

He cant house the people that live there already.

Fann Linn

mgn wrote: »

He cant house the people that live there already.

Exactly. And they can't provide public transport for rural dwellers. Pie in the sky which will ultimately depend on the agreement of their FF colleagues in govt.

mgn

Blueshoe wrote: »

Leo will be gone in the next election or the one after. His plans will follow him out the door.

We can't build a hospital or even a road properly. Broadband? Forget about it.

Have you seen the plans for climate action? Pie in the sky

Don't worry Leo will get a nice well paid job in Europe in a few years time.

Blueshoe

mgn wrote: »

Don't worry Leo will get a nice well paid job in Europe in a few years time.

They all do. It's the natural progression. He won't be any loss

InTheShadows

Blueshoe wrote: »

This is a money grab.
The "green wave" . 8% voted for the greens 92% didn't.

Any indication given today that the tax collected will be ring fenced for climate action? I didn't see any.

7 billion a year interest on the bank debt. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

is_that_so

InTheShadows wrote: »

7 billion a year interest on the bank debt. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

No, that would be the far bigger day to day running of the country debt.

Micky 32

Blueshoe wrote: »

Leo will be gone in the next election or the one after. His plans will follow him out the door.

We can't build a hospital or even a road properly. Broadband? Forget about it.

Have you seen the plans for climate action? Pie in the sky

I don’t know, the same idiots will vote for them regardless. I bet Leo and his crew are here for the longhaul.

topper75

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I would say the green diesel bhoys are rubbing their hands in anticipation of the diesel ban. I cannot wait until around 2035 and people start giving dirty looks to classic car drivers on the west coast. Anyone taking their MG out for a spin to Clifden will be labelled as Ozone killers and told to scrap their cars.

What will be entirely side splitting however, is when the global scientific guild make a bipolar 180o turn on the merits of the electric car industry and declare it an " unwelcome" result of the energy crisis.

Scientists remind me of the Roman Catholic church during the turn of the 10th century. Only " they " seem to know how to save the world and stop everyone from burning in hell. If you aren't a scientist, and don't know what the ozone layer is, you are laughed at for being a fool and ostracised for having a poor social conscience and being a " denier ". They use to hang heretics for being " non believers".

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am not joking on this one, sorry for having to clarify.

The whole issue of climate change has evolved into an issue of social conscience. I wouldn't know a millibar if I saw one, however I am constantly being told by media and everything else that I have a " carbon footprint " and that I should be more " aware " of clmate change.

I can't prove otherwise, but if I don't believe, I am being labelled as an antisocial non believer who is harming the planet, " if you don't believe us and pay your carbon tax you are part of the problem "

To me that is identical to how religion got so powerful. Educated people in authority dictated to the masses that they need to believe in this religion or the world would end and they would go to hell.

It is not all that different in fairness.

Good posts - I totally agree. The analogy is quite stark. I am optimistic though. The 'Can't fool all of the people all of the time' principle applies and you will have more and more coming forward to notice that the emperor does not have any clothes here despite the indoctrination in schools.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Leo will be gone in the next election or the one after. His plans will follow him out the door.

We can't build a hospital or even a road properly. Broadband? Forget about it.

Have you seen the plans for climate action? Pie in the sky

You are right about incompetency regarding benefits for the people, but for taxation on the people they never mess up. Revenue are far and away the most efficient arm of the government. Property tax, USC. Direct hits. Swift implementation.

Calhoun

Thats exactly why this strategy is dangerous because it has to give somewhere.

We couldn't get a water charge across the line which is a green issue because it was campaigned as something against the hard working tax payer. The headlines in the indo right now are all about Ross targeting private driver.

You even have the greens criticizing the strategy because it doesn't have enough options or ways to make sure there is incentive for people to change.

Micky 32

Calhoun wrote: »

You even have the greens criticizing the strategy because it doesn't have enough options or ways to make sure there is incentive for people to change.

You mean 80 euro per ton on carbon tax by 2030 isn't enough for the Greens.

Calhoun

Micky 32 wrote: »

You mean 80 euro per ton on carbon tax by 2030 isn't enough for the Greens.

Well they are calling out that there is not enough viable alternatives for people, without hitting them in the pocket.

I assume they see like most that if you just bring out the stick and no carrot you will not have a good time.