5,459 applicants turned down an offer of social housing since 2016.

Plumbthedepths

Get Real wrote:

But for jaysus sake, he's a Minister for housing, trying to divert blame for a national housing crisis on .001% of the entire population.

That's the tactic used by FG on a regular basis. Don't forget Leo's famous welfare cheats campaign eventhough senior figures in his department rubbished his claim. They were also blaming insurance costs on scammers until two if their own were caught at it, Bailey and Farrell.

LirW

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

When it comes to home ownership and all that it’s a colonial hangover I reckon.
We have totally opposite views on living circumstances and property ownership than our European cousins.

And our only experiences of it are tenement life. Something members of my family can still recall and none of it good

It's 2019 though, Dublin is a city with plenty of international players looking for a skilled workforce. Family values changed, the need for housing changed. There's a failure on a large scale to cater to different age groups with different housing needs. The rental market is dysfunctional.
Shared living is a good alternative - as one of many. Same as people living in small apartments or big houses, there needs to a variety of options because not everyone needs a 3bed semi.

Irish cities changed a lot over the last 2 decades and every attempt to catch up to the future is effectively turned down. The sprawl can't be infinite. That's why the market is such a disaster, why properties are severely under- or over-occupied. That's why public transport is so horrendous. Too many don't want the change that makes the city better as a whole because it could inconvenience them in one way or the other.

Whatever happened the people who turned down new taxpayer-funded houses because they didn't come with stables for their horses?

That was a dream After Hours thread.

More seriously, if the allocation of social housing is done fairly, and you cannot get a better home via knowing somebody in the local council, then I don't think they should have a right of refusal. Are properties allocated fairly/on need? Personally, I feel that houses in the many underpopulated urban areas outside Dublin should be offered to people, given that most Irish people who work must move from their home area (usually to Dublin or abroad). That way the state will get far more houses for the money. This notion that Dubliners, and non-working Dubliners in this case, have a right to live in Dublin needs to be buried when all across Ireland actual workers do not have a right to live in their home place due to the lack of jobs there.

However, the politics of all this remains the same: it is unacceptable to the vast, vast majority of Irish people that children will suffer because their parents are gaming the system. The parents know this so are openly using their children to guilt trip the state to give them more. In all of these threads, nobody has come up with a solution to this. Has anybody a serious solution to this?

Stop moaning ffs

LirW wrote: »

It's 2019 though, Dublin is a city with plenty of international players looking for a skilled workforce. Family values changed, the need for housing changed. There's a failure on a large scale to cater to different age groups with different housing needs. The rental market is dysfunctional.
Shared living is a good alternative - as one of many. Same as people living in small apartments or big houses, there needs to a variety of options because not everyone needs a 3bed semi.

Irish cities changed a lot over the last 2 decades and every attempt to catch up to the future is effectively turned down. The sprawl can't be infinite. That's why the market is such a disaster, why properties are severely under- or over-occupied. That's why public transport is so horrendous. Too many don't want the change that makes the city better as a whole because it could inconvenience them in one way or the other.

Well one idea would be to stop giving planning permission to endless hotels start building high density housing in and around the city to sustain incoming industry and investment and use up the landbanks.

In effect do something. They’re not doing any of this or anything you mentioned either.

JupiterKid

JupiterKid wrote: »

.............
And I have longstanding expertise in housing policy so I actually know what I am talking about, unlike many on here who carp on about "entitlement culture" and "forever" homes...all these threads on this are getting rather tiresome at this stage.

Could be a CO or working for some "charity".
Self proclaimed expertise isn't overly impressive to be honest.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no homeless crisis.

Would ya go away, we have a major housing problem round the cites.

I walked round Dublin city centre this week and there are people living in tents near the four courts.

I looked at a job in Bray and decided to check the local rentals, I saw one on daft 600 bucks a month to share with an owner occupier.

Mad insane rental costs.

LirW

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Well one idea would be to stop giving planning permission to endless hotels start building high density housing in and around the city to sustain incoming industry and investment and use up the landbanks.

In effect do something. They’re not doing any of this or anything you mentioned either.

We're on the same page here. There's a total standstill, especially for the average working Joe, Mary and their sprogs.
My father-in-law is for example a poster NIMBY who actively objects to projects in the area he lives in. He can't get his head around the fact that if there would be a higher density of housing we would probably be able to live closer to them (we're 90km away).

As for social housing, I think the whole country needs to be split into a handful of areas, like Greater Dublin, South-East, Greater Cork, Munster East and West etc. To form big housing bodies. There need to be reviews where people work and that weighs into the decision where they'll be offered housing, in a reasonable driving distances from work, while long-term social welfare recipients will be offered housing further away in the same council.
There's literally no means assessment as it stands unless you're on the list for medical priority.
It is insanity that every council is doing their own thing and fobs people off to where they're from.
Plus a strict anti-social behaviour policy.

As it stands the micromanagement is ruining the whole system.

Stop moaning ffs

LirW wrote: »

We're on the same page here. There's a total standstill, especially for the average working Joe, Mary and their sprogs.
My father-in-law is for example a poster NIMBY who actively objects to projects in the area he lives in. He can't get his head around the fact that if there would be a higher density of housing we would probably be able to live closer to them (we're 90km away).

As for social housing, I think the whole country needs to be split into a handful of areas, like Greater Dublin, South-East, Greater Cork, Munster East and West etc. To form big housing bodies. There need to be reviews where people work and that weighs into the decision where they'll be offered housing, in a reasonable driving distances from work, while long-term social welfare recipients will be offered housing further away in the same council.
There's literally no means assessment as it stands unless you're on the list for medical priority.
It is insanity that every council is doing their own thing and fobs people off to where they're from.
Plus a strict anti-social behaviour policy.

As it stands the micromanagement is ruining the whole system.

Couldnt agree more.
I’d love to float my idea of making Athlone a proper city, build infrastructure intensively and industrial parks and housing, give it an airport and make it Ireland’s central hub.

Lala land on my part but I think it would work out brilliantly.

marieholmfan

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Couldnt agree more.
I’d love to float my idea of making Athlone a proper city, build infrastructure intensively and industrial parks and housing, give it an airport and make it Ireland’s central hub.

Lala land on my part but I think it would work out brilliantly.

I am not from Limerick but I think Limerick should be made the capital. Already has good links and has a great setting.

I would actually split functions between Limerick and Derry but obviously Derry must wait. Both have a great natural setting for state buildings and horrible accents.

JupiterKid

Augeo wrote: »

JupiterKid wrote: »

.............
And I have longstanding expertise in housing policy so I actually know what I am talking about, unlike many on here who carp on about "entitlement culture" and "forever" homes...all these threads on this are getting rather tiresome at this stage.

Could be a CO or working for some "charity".
Self proclaimed expertise isn't overly impressive to be honest.

Actually I am an academic with a PhD and many peer reviewed publications on the subject.. but sure don't take my word for it. Feel free to rant on....

El_Bee

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

This homeless crisis is greatly exaggerated.

As I have said before, we actually have 4 issues that have been mashed together by activists (well meaning or otherwise), politicians (the bigger the crisis, the more votes I can hoover up if I say I'll tackle it) and the media (obvious why they would sensationalize it)


1)An actual homeless problem, 1 person sleeping rough is too many, but what's the solution here? What's the correlation between homelessness and drug abuse or other personal issues? Will we ever have a government/civil service that can create a long term program to help people in these situations back into society?



2) the bottom rung of the property ladder has effectively been removed, both by house prices exceeding boom levels and banks STILL unwilling to lend to young couples, forcing them to rent long term, I'm sure we all have anecdotal stories from people we know who are still jumping through hoops in the hope of obtaining a mortgage. This which leads to:


3)A combination of rents exceeding boom levels and a strain on supply caused in part by 2), and also by landlords exiting the market because of being legislated against and being painted as the enemy of the people by the media (funnily enough the exodus of landlords will see and increase in the evil "[insert bird name] funds".


and finally:

4) the "I've 6 kids I'm entitled to a house so what if I've been evicted 3 times already I'M ENTITLED to a house near my mates and mammy who will mind them when I cant be bothered" group, the squeakiest wheel of the 3 and the one most likely to get the grease, these have latched onto the previous 3 problems and depressingly are being treated as the biggest victims of them all.

Kivaro

JupiterKid wrote: »

Actually I am an academic with a PhD and many peer reviewed publications on the subject.. but sure don't kake my word for it. Feel free to rant on....

Maybe we won't ......

What we don't need to solve real life problems in our society are academics. The vast majority of them have rose-tinted views on how to fix societal problems, and unfortunately liberal politicians grasp onto these concepts to further their agendas.

gibgodsman

Its not a homeless crises, its a housing crises, looked on Daft the other day for somewhere to rent in Navan, where I currently Rent and Work full time. I currently pay €575 a month on rent for a 1 bed apartment, price is great, moved in 2013. There was 3 properties for rent in all of Navan, cheapest was €1250 a month and was a 1 bed apartment.... in the same apartment complex I live in....

There is absolutely a housing crises, not a homeless crises.

KrustyUCC

Deleted User wrote: »

Whatever happened the people who turned down new taxpayer-funded houses because they didn't come with stables for their horses?

That was a dream After Hours thread.

Thurles fiasco nearing solution. http://tippfm.com/news/housing/cabra...ation-remains/

“Tipperary County Council’s agreement with Traveller families at Cabragh Bridge has been described as a step in the right direction by Councillors.

The stand-off began as families believed that the local authority had agreed to providing stables – however the local authority says that’s not the case.

Following mediation, it’s been agreed that the current site will be cleared, electricity will be removed, and it will also be secured, so there can be no further illegal encampments there.

However, the stables on the old site will stay, as they’re not on council owned land, and they’ve also been in place for more than 7 years.

Councillor Seamus Hanafin says that he’s happy with some aspects of the agreement, but it’s difficult to be happy with everything.”

Gatling

_blaaz wrote: »

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Obviously didn't think they actually might have to turn on the heating

A 5 year suspension from the housing list? Surely there's a better way to solve the problem. People who actually know how to game the system will find ways around it, and people who are genuinely in need will probably end up being the ones to suffer. 5 years is a very long time to be waiting to get put on what is essentially a waiting list itself.

Does anyone on here know enough about these housing lists to offer a reasonable alternative?

Perhaps it shouldn't even be tackled on a housing-list level - maybe there's a solution on a more holistic social protection level that could be suggested?

El_Bee

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Thurles fiasco nearing solution. http://tippfm.com/news/housing/cabra...ation-remains/

“Tipperary County Council’s agreement with Traveller families at Cabragh Bridge has been described as a step in the right direction by Councillors.

The stand-off began as families believed that the local authority had agreed to providing stables – however the local authority says that’s not the case.

Following mediation, it’s been agreed that the current site will be cleared, electricity will be removed, and it will also be secured, so there can be no further illegal encampments there.

However, the stables on the old site will stay, as they’re not on council owned land, and they’ve also been in place for more than 7 years.

Councillor Seamus Hanafin says that he’s happy with some aspects of the agreement, but it’s difficult to be happy with everything.”

Imagine living completely outside the laws of the land, but still availing of all the amenities and provisions available, what a life they have.

Kivaro

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

A hotel room is not a home. If you think it is try living in one with your wife and two kids and not allowed cook for them or get them to school everyday.

I wouldn't put my wife and two kids in that predicament in the first place. There is so much available work out there that this situation should never arise to able-bodied parents .......... who represent the vast majority abusing the housing system.

Boggles

Kivaro wrote: »

I wouldn't put my wife and two kids in that predicament in the first place.

What if you died suddenly?

Would you get a lucrative haunting job somewhere and support your family?

Fúcking Hell, the Daily Mail readership must be on the up. :rolleyes:

Wheeliebin30

Boggles wrote: »

What if you died suddenly?

Would you get a lucrative haunting job somewhere and support your family?

Fúcking Hell, the Daily Mail readership must be on the up. :rolleyes:

No one has a problem with genuine people getting all the help and support, especially a partner who’s husband died.

But we all know the type that poster is referring to.

Boggles

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No one has a problem with genuine people getting all the help and support, especially a partner who’s husband died.

But we all know the type that poster is referring to.

The poster was referring to himself.

Kivaro wrote: »

I wouldn't put my wife and two kids in that predicament in the first place.

Bobblehats

Were they applicants for asylum? They’re going to need a bigger house.

suicide_circus

why is social housing rent not stopped at source? explain that to me

Boggles

sugarman wrote: »

Boils my piss as someone slaving away for the last 10 years

Really? WTF do you work at? :eek:

sugarman wrote: »

looking after every cent I earn in the hope of one day being able to own a place of my own. That includes having had to make major decisions in life, like not having kids or getting married before I can actually afford to. To not be go out on weekend long benders I can't afford nor need. To not order takeaways several nights a week when I can cook for myself.

I'm confused.

So you would love to live in a shared hub, smoking and eating pizza?

Your urine has literally reached 100 degrees celsius you are so mad and jealous.



Wouldn't want that life personally. Not for a minute.

I'm quite thankful I don't actually.

Wheeliebin30

Boggles wrote: »

Really? WTF do you work at? :eek:




I'm confused.

So you would love to live in a shared hub, smoking and eating pizza?

Your urine has literally reached 100 degrees celsius you are so mad and jealous.



Wouldn't want that life personally. Not for a minute.

I'm quite thankful I don't actually.

I think it’s more your taxes funding this lifestyle when they could be spent improving other things to benefit future generations.

Or people blaming the government when in reality it’s not the governments fault.

LuasSimon

There is no excuse for people not working in Ireland at this point .
Those that are in low wage employment should most definitely be helped with housing but those that refuse to work should not receive handout after handout .... its not far to the 98% working and trying to pay their way in life .

Boggles

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I think it’s more your taxes funding this lifestyle when they could be spent improving other things to benefit future generations.

What's that got to do with him not been able to have children, benders and a house?

gibgodsman

LuasSimon wrote: »

Those that are in low wage employment should most definitely be helped with housing but those that refuse to work should not receive handout after handout .... its not far to the 98% working and trying to pay their way in life .

Completely agree with this, this is exactly what the HAP Scheme should be looking to do, not supporting those not willing to work at all

Stop moaning ffs

LuasSimon wrote: »

There is no excuse for people not working in Ireland at this point .
Those that are in low wage employment should most definitely be helped with housing but those that refuse to work should not receive handout after handout .... its not far to the 98% working and trying to pay their way in life .

Completely agree and I think a cultural shift is needed here. Raise the minimum wage to not just a living wage but an attractive wage. And promote the benefits of that.

Then you get pushback from SMEs and corporations and
Bearing mind mind nurses still aren’t even back at 2007 pay parity.

But if you raised the minimum wage to an attractive standard you’d see the game change and ripples would flow out from that. People have more money to spend etc etc

El_Bee

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Completely agree and I think a cultural shift is needed here. Raise the minimum wage to not just a living wage but an attractive wage. And promote the benefits of that.

Then you get pushback from SMEs and corporations and
Bearing mind mind nurses still aren’t even back at 2007 pay parity.

But if you raised the minimum wage to an attractive standard you’d see the game change and ripples would flow out from that. People have more money to spend etc etc

The minimum wage goes up, rents go up, electricity, gas, broadband etc. go up too, also raising minimum wage to unrealistic levels has been catastrophic to workers when tried:



https://fee.org/articles/new-york-city-experienced-worst-decline-in-restaurant-jobs-since-911-after-15-minimum-wage-win/

gibgodsman

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Completely agree and I think a cultural shift is needed here. Raise the minimum wage to not just a living wage but an attractive wage. And promote the benefits of that.

Then you get pushback from SMEs and corporations and
Bearing mind mind nurses still aren’t even back at 2007 pay parity.

But if you raised the minimum wage to an attractive standard you’d see the game change and ripples would flow out from that. People have more money to spend etc etc

The Minimum wage is a myth. No matter how much you increase it, you will not be earning more, your money will be worth less as the cost of everything else will increase with it. That is basic Economics.

The only real way to get an incentive would be to offer real incentives after 1,2,3+ years of working for a company.

LuasSimon

gibgodsman wrote: »

The Minimum wage is a myth. No matter how much you increase it, you will not be earning more, your money will be worth less as the cost of everything else will increase with it. That is basic Economics.

The only real way to get an incentive would be to offer real incentives after 1,2,3+ years of working for a company.

A fair point ... but the main point should be that someone who refuses to work should not be as well off or in some cases better off than people who work ?

As a country for too long we have been soft on those who refuse to work especially our own ethnic group !

JupiterKid

JupiterKid wrote: »

Actually I am an academic..............

Oh right.
Well done.
Probably on the housing list yourself.

sugarman

sugarman wrote: »

......... They continuously order take aways .. usually a stack of Dominoes or Four Star Pizza, even though they've access to kitchen/cooking facilities. Their activities include sitting in the pub on the corner all weekend making runs across to the bookies................

Wasters.
And they'll all get their forever home eventually and their kids (numerous no doubt) will expect the same.

InTheShadows

Get Real wrote: »

This is a simple tactic by Murphy to be seen to be doing something. I agree with the policy.

But for jaysus sake, he's a Minister for housing, trying to divert blame for a national housing crisis on .001% of the entire population.

100th of a single percent!

Even all those waiting on social housing is a drop in the ocean. There are many, many more working people, who don't apply for/aren't eligible for social housing. They don't want a free house, they want to actually pay for their own house, but can't. Even when working full time, and fully contributing to the economic machine.

If he's trying to say that a 100th of a percent of the population are the reason why a post man, or teacher, or hotel manager can't buy a house, well that's bo!!ocks.

Murphy and the gaeler OP here don't care about facts. They have an agenda to push to divert attention from actual issues.

Boggles

gibgodsman wrote: »

The Minimum wage is a myth. No matter how much you increase it, you will not be earning more, your money will be worth less as the cost of everything else will increase with it. That is basic Economics.

No it isn't. :pac:

The minimum wage is set or at least it should be, to be higher than inflation.

It was actually 20 years old last month in the UK, employment rates have never been higher.

It's a very good thing if done correctly.

InTheShadows

LuasSimon wrote: »

There is no excuse for people not working in Ireland at this point .
Those that are in low wage employment should most definitely be helped with housing but those that refuse to work should not receive handout after handout .... its not far to the 98% working and trying to pay their way in life .

I'm sorry but as an employer there are some people on long term benefits I wouldn't hire in a fit. Some of these people are never going to work again and that's a fact.

ThunbergsAreGo

InTheShadows wrote: »

I'm sorry but as an employer there are some people on long term benefits I wouldn't hire in a fit. Some of these people are never going to work again and that's a fact.

100% however this means we should be targeting the next generation of long termers and give them a real reason to work before it becomes a way of life to them.

And that can be done by making long term less attractive, or making work more attractive

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

Oh right.
Well done.
Probably on the housing list yourself.

Why are you attacking that poster? Most of us interested in the housing problem would listen closer to somebody who is a planner than to somebody who doesn't have expertise in the area. Similarly, if you've studied enough on an area most people would give your views more time than the views of somebody who hasn't that expertise.

Go to 1:20 on this Dara Ó Briain clip and start listening for a couple of minutes as it's very relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDYba0m6ztE

Gimme A Pound

sugarman wrote: »

Spot on, I live near a "homeless hub" and the vast majority of these parents(Not all) never cease to surprise me that they can afford to dress themselves and the kids head to toe in the latest designer fashions. Stand smoking day after day, every day at the reception door. They continuously order take aways .. usually a stack of Dominoes or Four Star Pizza, even though they've access to kitchen/cooking facilities. Their activities include sitting in the pub on the corner all weekend making runs across to the bookies.

Id walk by the place 4 to 8 times a day going to from/work, I see the same faces every day pissing away their money ..and they've the neck to be complaining and selling their sob stories that they can't afford housing.

Boils my piss as someone slaving away for the last 10 years looking after every cent I earn in the hope of one day being able to own a place of my own. That includes having had to make major decisions in life, like not having kids or getting married before I can actually afford to. To not be go out on weekend long benders I can't afford nor need. To not order takeaways several nights a week when I can cook for myself.

.. basically to live within my own needs without any of the luxuries in sacrifice for a home.

Absolutely. Great post. And it's completely dishonest and another form of "I'm all right Jack" to dismiss it. Obviously you're not literally slaving but you're working hard. And obviously your urine is not literally boiling - it's just an expression.

Imagine being so self entitled and lacking personal responsibility like the people you've described. But "the government"...

They are unemployable though. Generations of taking and being taught that this is the way to live.

InTheShadows

InTheShadows wrote: »

I'm sorry but as an employer there are some people on long term benefits I wouldn't hire in a fit. Some of these people are never going to work again and that's a fact.

Most wouldn't want to work anyway as they'd need €50k salaries to equal their benefits packages.

naughtb4 wrote: »

100% however this means we should be targeting the next generation of long termers and give them a real reason to work before it becomes a way of life to them.

And that can be done by making long term less attractive, or making work more attractive

A huge struggle really.
When the folks are total wasters they won't be encouraging their kids to get in the "rat race" when there's a chance of a forever home if you have a few sprogs.

Building fook loads of social housing is the best solution really. But to avoid the Ballymums etc of the past is difficult conceptually.

Stop moaning ffs

gibgodsman wrote: »

The Minimum wage is a myth. No matter how much you increase it, you will not be earning more, your money will be worth less as the cost of everything else will increase with it. That is basic Economics.

The only real way to get an incentive would be to offer real incentives after 1,2,3+ years of working for a company.

Well do that then.
But that would take govt to enforce a rule that said there must be an active upward scale of payment for all employees. Be it working in a centra or working in a warehouse or whatever.
Most skilled jobs have that and always have.
Grunt level work and minimum wage jobs don’t.
The type of people you see people here complaining about (in this very thread) and inferring theyre all layabouts and scroungers, are economically and socially trapped in most cases. And there’s no incentive for them to even try and engage.
There’s a certain older demographic usually female out there working in care jobs and cleaning jobs often for decades and never once seen a pay increase. But they have seen pay cuts. That’s personal experience and anecdotal so I understand if you don’t believe it. But if you want to make working attractive to that cohort trapped in lower socioeconomic forever on the dole no education horror, you have to make it so they won’t want to stay on it when there’s clearly good money to be made doing something.

Look at current minimum wage and then look at the average rent in ballyfermot or tallaght or any crappy area (I’m not downplaying or insulting these areas just an example) and you’ll quickly see it’s not even possible to afford a room in a shared house even if you could find one. You would have been better off staying on the dole.

That’s the very root of the problem.

Mad_maxx

eviltwin wrote: »

I work in rehousing homeless families. Some do have genuine reasons for turning down a house. The people I work with are in the main either disabled themselves or have a disabled child and they turn down property because its completely unsuitable. Some do turn down perfectly nice homes for ridiculous reasons but someone else on the list will take it so a family in need still gets rehomed.

Are you familiar with the long term leasing scheme offered by the local authorities?

The reason I bring it up is there are plenty of old vacant houses which could be let to the councils, unfortunately the councils use these long term leasing arrangements to house problem tenants ( personal experience)

The housing issues won't be solved while our local authorities are either too lazy, incompetent or dishonest to manage their affairs to a proper standard

Mad_maxx

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Totally agree.

What we have is an ‘Entitlement Crisis’.

I wonder will RTE do a prime time special on the entitlement.

Mad_maxx

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Eh no we have a crisis because 20/30 years of successive governments haven’t been building social housing and then allowed banks repossess homes post the crash. *when enda himself said he would not allow one home to be repossessed in one of his election promises.

The only problem with home repossession is that it happens far too rarely

Sleepy

Having actually done some professional analysis of this data from a couple of local authority sites, it's extremely obvious that a majority of the refusals are due to the area the house being offered is in.

While part of me falls back to the "beggars can't be choosers", I know full well that were I on the housing list and in receipt of HAP in a reasonable area I'd be doing everything I could to refuse an offer of a "forever home" in some hell-hole estate where half the neighbours are known trouble-makers or members of the travelling community.

There's very little the councils can actually do with anti-social tenants. Evict them and they're straight back onto the housing list and no-doubt getting priority as they're now "homeless". The sad reality is that some people just behave like absolute scumbags and it only takes one or two families of them to ruin an estate. I just can't see any Irish government ever having the stomach to deal with them properly. Rounding them all up to live in a purpose built estate in the middle of nowhere where they couldn't disturb law-abiding citizens would draw too many comparisons to concentration camps.

Mad_maxx

marieholmfan wrote: »

I am not from Limerick but I think Limerick should be made the capital. Already has good links and has a great setting.

I would actually split functions between Limerick and Derry but obviously Derry must wait. Both have a great natural setting for state buildings and horrible accents.

First you need a stalin like purge of Limerick Council, awful and the bar is low

Mad_maxx

Kivaro wrote: »

Maybe we won't ......

What we don't need to solve real life problems in our society are academics. The vast majority of them have rose-tinted views on how to fix societal problems, and unfortunately liberal politicians grasp onto these concepts to further their agendas.

Vast majority are PC Left ideogues

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Why are you attacking that poster? Most of us interested in the housing problem would listen closer to somebody who is a planner than to somebody who doesn't have expertise in the area. ..............

A planner?
They claimed to be an academic......... if they were a planner I'd have thought they'd have mentioned it.

James Brown

maxsmum wrote: »

I don't get how people who are living in a hotel can have any chance to turn down a permanent roof over their heads. This business of not living near enough to their parents or schools is nonsense. I'll never be able to afford where my parents live. I actually think a province wide radius is reasonable given there's a housing crisis.

Likely they've jobs too so depends on if it might mean quitting.
When you sign up you put down 3 areas you are looking for. If you turn down those you've no right to remain on the list IMO.

Also TBF Murphy is just some hipster chump Leo rolled in so I'll take his opinion with a pinch of salt.