Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

volchitsa

Road-Hog wrote: »

And corks most infamous of citizens Mr. graham Dwyer. Came for a totally respectable family by accounts and turned into an absolute abomination of a human........imagine if he had had access to the vile porn etc that boy A had....?

It could hardly have made him much worse. If anything, people like that indicate to me that Boy A's obsession with violent porn is a symptom of his abnormality, not its cause.

Kidchameleon

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

MonsterCookie

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

Trying to put blame on him in this forum is pretty gross if you ask me.

There could be loads of reasons. Maybe he was just happy that someone had called and wanted to let her get out and make some friends. At least he saw Boy b which was crucial to the early progress made in the investigation.

Road-Hog

volchitsa wrote: »

It could hardly have made him much worse. If anything, people like that indicate to me that Boy A's obsession with violent porn is a symptom of his abnormality, not its cause

Does watching excessive amounts of violent porn not de-sensitize your attitude towards it........is it possible to become addicted to porn including violent porn and leave what you see on the screen and never be tempted to act out with a female what you see in the porno....?

splinter65

El_Bee wrote: »

They've been doing it since the mid 90's at least, nearly 20 years of useless "programs" and kids are still being left adrift to fend for themselves, if you know any families where a child is being bullied, you'll know the school is absolutely useless no matter how many anti-bullying initiates they roll out.

I think when the school are asked to deal with a bullying incident/incidents they are then encountering the likes of boy bs father and they shouldn’t have to deal with that.
It’s above their pay grade.
Yes it’s since the 90s. Just around the time that we decided that schools couldn’t discipline our kids at all any more, and that everyone would be a winner and all would get prizes.
I wonder if it’s just a coincidence ?

jimmycrackcorm

IvoryTower wrote: »

We should probably stick to the official reports to be honest, otherwise its all just gossip. It might be interesting but it might not be true

I think it's more than gossip that two thirteen year olds who murdered in such a depraved manner were bullies. This was no accidental killing but the hallmark of two people already experienced in being cruel.

tayto lover

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

Still victim blaming I see. Par for the course for you.

FFred

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

Ah the king of edge is back . Remember kids, don’t feed him :pac:

splinter65

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

We get it Kid. Really, we do. You’ve made yourself perfectly clear.
Boy bs father is your type of parent. Blindly cheerleading his horrible wicked child by not ever attending the Garda questioning with him, leaving his wife to sleep on the floor in the Garda station with the child, and then shouting and roaring abuse at the judge jury Gardai and prosecution when they did THEIR jobs properly.
In this thread you have previously described this behavior as “unconditional love”.
At the same time you’ve denigrated Ana’s parents by putting their titles of mum and dad in inverted commas, because they adopted her, relegating them to second class parents in your eyes.
Now you say Ana is dead, not because boys a and b murdered her, but because her second class dad let her leave this house on a long bright summer evening at 5 o’clock with a boy his son confirmed he knew.
Why don’t you tell us what you really think?

gimli2112

If y'all stay calm, ignore and most importantly don't quote the posts it all fades away into nothing

Kidchameleon

She is dead because of what boy A and boy B did to her. I am not blaming anyone else but them. My issue is that many many posters on here are blaming B's father for what happened or are saying he is neglectful somehow. I am trying to highlight how distasteful that is by showing that similar things could be said and argued for about Patric Kriegel. I dont want to go down that road so I would hope people would stop having dig's at B's father. Look, this poor man has suffered a huge loss aswell. His life has been turned upside down, leave him alone.

volchitsa

Road-Hog wrote: »

volchitsa wrote: »

It could hardly have made him much worse. If anything, people like that indicate to me that Boy A's obsession with violent porn is a symptom of his abnormality, not its cause

Does watching excessive amounts of violent porn not de-sensitize your attitude towards it........is it possible to become addicted to porn including violent porn and leave what you see on the screen and never be tempted to act out with a female what you see in the porno....?

Well, being female the "you" there doesn't seem to apply to me, first off.
Second, I'm not saying there are no problems with porn being so widely available because I think there are. Though I'd be at least as concerned about many of the women involved, as about the effects on those who use it.

But my point here is that being attracted to violent porn is not the same as watching porn, and I think there's already something wrong with someone who searches out the violent stuff regularly. The fact that people like Graham Dwyer have always existed tends to prove that.

What I do think may be significant here though are the local reports that the boys responsible were already known as being bullies. I think parents and teachers need to look at why this is seen as something they can't or shouldn't really get involved in.

Neyite wrote: »

If unofficial reports are true that they were known bullies prior to Ana's murder then it's probable that parents and teachers had a few chats about them targeting other children. And if you have parents who defend and excuse the little stuff, go in guns blazing to tear strips off a teacher on behalf of their little angels, it's not a stretch to assume those kids get braver and more arrogant that they can get away with more and more daring forms of bullying. Mam and Dad will go tell that principal to fcuk off like all the other times, right?

I'm not saying it specifically happened with these boys, but we can see from the way the parents washed evidence /court outbursts that it's possible.

But they didn't yet have the knowledge and experience that comes with adulthood. They don't have the logical brains of adults yet. So by their 13yo logic, they figure the lies they tell about their actions with Ana would also be believed and even defended by mam and dad - especially in boy B's case . But lying to Gardai is a very different ball game to lying to your parents or your teachers.

FFred

Kidchameleon wrote: »

She is dead because of what boy A and boy B did to her. I am not blaming anyone else but them. My issue is that many many posters on here are blaming B's father for what happened or are saying he is neglectful somehow. I am trying to highlight how distasteful that is by showing that similar things could be said and argued for about Patric Kriegel. I dont want to go down that road so I would hope people would stop having dig's at B's father. Look, this poor man has suffered a huge loss aswell. His life has been turned upside down, leave him alone.

*Patrick

Suckit

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

As if it was even comparable.
Gardaí calling to a house because their 13 year old son was the last person to see her alive
vs
A 13 year old boy calling to a house to bring 14 year old daughter out to the local park and be back in a little while.

Does your being obtuse have a purpose?

McCrack

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

Your posts really are the pits

splinter65

Kidchameleon wrote: »

She is dead because of what boy A and boy B did to her. I am not blaming anyone else but them. My issue is that many many posters on here are blaming B's father for what happened or are saying he is neglectful somehow. I am trying to highlight how distasteful that is by showing that similar things could be said and argued for about Patric Kriegel. I dont want to go down that road so I would hope people would stop having dig's at B's father. Look, this poor man has suffered a huge loss aswell. His life has been turned upside down, leave him alone.

Sorry no, you quite clearly said in your last post that she would be alive today if her father had stopped her from going out.
You can’t deny ten minutes later what you just said.
It’s there for everyone to see.
So is your post describing boy bs father attacking the entire courtroom like a savage as “unconditional love”.
So, for you, it’s not for the parents of wicked nasty children to take responsibility for correcting their horrible offspring, it’s for the parents of vulnerable innocent children to keep their kids locked up at home, so that the wicked ones can roam about the world at will.
Unconditional love.

Kidchameleon

FFred wrote: »

*Patrick

No your wrong. It is "Patric". I was told it was disrespectful to spell someones name wrong so I have made sure I got the proper spelling. Cant say I blame anyone for getting it wrong though, I have seen his and Ana's name spelt wrong across a wide variety of articles.

Kidchameleon

splinter65 wrote: »

Sorry no, you quite clearly said in your last post that she would be alive today if her father had stopped her from going out.

Why would I deny that? It is true.

FFred

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No your wrong. It is "Patric". I was told it was disrespectful to spell someones name wrong so I have made sure I got the proper spelling. Cant say I blame anyone for getting it wrong though, I have seen his and Ana's name spelt wrong across a wide variety of articles.

*you’re

El_Bee

Guys no need to go down this route:

Kidchameleon

volchitsa wrote: »

Well, being female the "you" there doesn't seem to apply to me, first off.

Plenty of women watch porn. Depending on the woman's relationship status it can go from 30% to being on par with mens porn viewership figures.



https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-porn-gap-gender-differences-in-pornography-use-in-couple-relationships

volchitsa wrote: »

The fact that people like Graham Dwyer have always existed tends to prove that.

In the interest of fairness, his victim was into the same kinds of material and sexual acts as he was. They met each other on a bondage website that she signed up to of her own accord.

splinter65

Kidchameleon wrote: »

She is dead because of what boy A and boy B did to her. I am not blaming anyone else but them. My issue is that many many posters on here are blaming B's father for what happened or are saying he is neglectful somehow. I am trying to highlight how distasteful that is by showing that similar things could be said and argued for about Patric Kriegel. I dont want to go down that road so I would hope people would stop having dig's at B's father. Look, this poor man has suffered a huge loss aswell. His life has been turned upside down, leave him alone.

What you should do is start a petition online to force Ana’s father to make a public apology to boy bs father.
Boy bs father has had his life turned upside down, and suffered a terrible loss, because Ana’s father let her go out of the house to be murdered by his son.
His son has a right to express his murderous fantasies, and Ana’s parents had an obligation to keep her locked up.
Why not go the whole hog and set up a gofundme?

Kidchameleon

Suckit wrote: »

Does your being obtuse have a purpose?

I am not trying to be obtuse. I am defending a man who's life has been turned upside down.

iamwhoiam

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Why would I deny that? It is true.

You need to take a long hard look at yourself . Trolling a thread like this one is quite simply shameful .

splinter65

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Why would I deny that? It is true.

So Ana’s father had an obligation to keep her locked up? Why?

Kidchameleon

splinter65 wrote: »

What you should do is start a petition online to force Ana’s father to make a public apology to boy bs father.
Boy bs father has had his life turned upside down, and suffered a terrible loss, because Ana’s father let her go out of the house to be murdered by his son.
His son has a right to express his murderous fantasies, and Ana’s parents had an obligation to keep her locked up.
Why not go the whole hog and set up a gofundme?

AFAIK, Patric has not blamed or had Ill feelings towards B's father or vice versa. There has been plenty of ill feeling towards B's father in this thread though.

dudara

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You need to take a long hard look at yourself . Trolling a thread like this one is quite simply shameful .

Please report posts, rather than making accusations of trolling on thread. I have given this warning before.

dudara

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I am not trying to be obtuse. I am defending a man who's life has been turned upside down.

You have got to be taking the piss. All concern for the father of a killer who lashed out at the police and judiciary after the verdict, ridiculous accusations of neglect about the parents of the victim who have behaved with total dignity throughout this ordeal.

Kidchameleon

splinter65 wrote: »

So Ana’s father had an obligation to keep her locked up? Why?

No he was not obliged to lock her up but it would not be a good idea to let a teenage girl go out with a teenage boy whom is not know to you. Ask yourself this, would Geraldine have let Ana go out with boy B that day?

Kidchameleon

Before this gets out of hand, I am not here to blame Patric Kreigel, I am simply saying lay off B's father. It is easy to level blame on many people in this case, the school, the parents/guardians, the owners of that abandoned house etc. We could do that all day. It is A and B who are ultimately responsible, they knew what they were doing was wrong. That is who we should be focused on, not some heartbroken dad.