Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

tuxy

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Strange, the Irish Times article states that the guard put the date into google and was directed to a satanic site mentioning the May 14th date.

Ah yes I found it now the site is www.satansrapture.com a very crude retro style site created in 2002 or maybe even earlier. Odd coincident I'd say.

Monumental

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

OMG cannot believe this has just been posted ,shame on the poster ! Ana's parents share no blame in this horredous crime .

mrjoneill

tuxy wrote: »

I find it difficult to believe Boy A felt he was innocent. If there was significant penalties for entering an innocent plea when the accused is very clearly guilty then his solicitor would most likely have given different advice.

We don't do plea bargaining in the RoI but what happens is the trial judge at sentencing takes it into account when factoring for sentencing. Even for Boy A there would be some redeeming factor for his abominable crime if he pleaded guilty and apologized but he didn't. While convicted of murder under the Childrens Act, the trial judge can determine the sentencing. I would also see it as a factor when their sentence review take place if such is determined or the Parole Board Review, that these accept they did the crime. Boy A has absolutely no case whatsoever he did the actual killing over a protracted period and for Boy B its my belief and the jury that he was an accomplice to it being a smart ass.

GooglePlus

Monumental wrote: »

OMG cannot believe this has just been posted ,shame on the poster ! Ana's parents share no blame in this horredous crime .

Agree. When I was 13, I was getting up to a lot worse than hanging around with the opposite sex of the same age. How the hell are young kids suppose to mature if they don't.

The poor girl just fell into the hands of the wrong type, if it wasn't her it would have been someone else.

holyhead

Any idea that her parents are culpable for what happened to Ana is simply bonkers. She was the victim of two teenage sadists. I cannot imagine what would possess two boys to inflict such sickening and deadly brutality on this poor girl. How do evil people like these two boys come about? Is it genetic, is it deprivation, is it lifestyle or a combination of factors.

Road-Hog

holyhead wrote: »

Any idea that her parents are culpable for what happened to Ana is simply bonkers. She was the victim of two teenage sadists. I cannot imagine what would possess two boys to inflict such sickening and deadly brutality on this poor girl. How do evil people like these two boys come about? Is it genetic, is it deprivation, is it lifestyle or a combination of factors.

Genetically unfortunate coupled with poor or indifferent parenting and added to by unrestricted access to the internet giving access to all sorts of violent porn sites which allows people who have sick/vile interests to link and hook up with like minded type monsters and thereby comforting themselves into believing that they are not odd/sick/perverted or warped’ and further fueling their obsessions and twisted desires.

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Kidchameleon wrote: »

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

You make a lot of ignorant, disgusting posts on boards.ie but this is a new low for you.

If you could rein in your attention seeking desire to "shock-jock" for a minute and consider that you are talking about two real people who have lost their child to brutal murderers. Two real people who may see this thread and your disgusting false assumptions about them.

Have a bit of respect.

Kidchameleon

splinter65 wrote: »

As Ana’s brother was able to identify that boy b was another pupil at the school who he could name, yes, with conditions as to a return time I think she probably would.

Geraldine instantly knew Ana should not have been out with B. She was worried as soon as she heard. This is in all of the reports. I dont think she would have let Ana out with B.

dudara

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dudara

Road-Hog

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You make a lot of ignorant, disgusting posts on boards.ie but this is a new low for you.

If you could rein in your attention seeking desire to "shock-jock" for a minute and consider that you are talking about two real people who have lost their child to brutal murderers. Two real people who may see this thread and your disgusting false assumptions about them.

Have a bit of respect.

How could her dad Patric or indeed any parent be expected to know the potential danger that she was in by letting her wander off with boy B......he may have thought it showed progress in development of her social skills.....who knows.........I’m sure he has been torchering himself about it since......it’s not like we have boy A and B type murders happening on a regular basis...?

iamwhoiam

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Geraldine instantly knew Ana should not have been out with B. She was worried as soon as she heard. This is in all of the reports. I dont think she would have let Ana out with B.

This line of posting is speculative and wrong .If you don't see that then you need to be reminded . You do not get to speculate about other peoples decisions or thoughts .Anas family do not deserve to be speculated about or indeed be even spoken about in such a way . Shame on you

IvoryTower

I think we also shouldn't be speculating about boy b's father as well tbh

splinter65

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Geraldine instantly knew Ana should not have been out with B. She was worried as soon as she heard. This is in all of the reports. I dont think she would have let Ana out with B.

If only the judge and jury had known that Ana’s father was actually to blame for Ana being dead then we’d have been spared the cost of these two boys trial, and boy bs father wouldn’t have had all the upset and inconvenience of being told, erroneously according to you, that he’s raised a wicked malevolent child.
Any more thoughts on the online petition I suggested?
Are the victims of the tinder rapist also to blame for going out for a good night, incidentally?

Suckit

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Geraldine instantly knew Ana should not have been out with B. She was worried as soon as she heard. This is in all of the reports. I dont think she would have let Ana out with B.

So you have come to the conclusion, because the two parents would have had a different view on what to do next when that boy called - that the father is to blame for her death?
And you claim that you are not being obtuse?

Suckit

As there is no precedent to sentencing these boys, are there any similar cases?
I have heard some people mention that they may get out by 18, which seems absolutely ludicrous to me, to think that they would both be out in less than 4 years.
Or some saying 21. That also seems far too short of a term. I can't imagine either would be rehabilitated that soon. Not considering the violence that was used and how conniving they were.
Personally I think (actual) life without ever seeing the outside of a prison again would be right (along with being bullied inside), but I understand they will be given the chance to prove they have been rehabilitated.

Is Darren Goodwin still in Prison?

TCDStudent1

Suckit wrote: »

As there is no precedent to sentencing these boys, are there any similar cases?
I have heard some people mention that they may get out by 18, which seems absolutely ludicrous to me, to think that they would both be out in less than 4 years.
Or some saying 21. That also seems far too short of a term. I can't imagine either would be rehabilitated that soon. Not considering the violence that was used and how conniving they were.
Personally I think (actual) life without ever seeing the outside of a prison again would be right (along with being bullied inside), but I understand they will be given the chance to prove they have been rehabilitated.

Is Darren Goodwin still in Prison?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-26-jailed-for-life-as-a-teenager-for-hammering-boy-to-death-to-be-released-in-less-than-two-years-30580270.html

Kidchameleon

IvoryTower wrote: »

I think we also shouldn't be speculating about boy b's father as well tbh

This is exactly my point. And with that I will leave you all to it.

RIP Ana. We will make the scum who did this to you die screaming.

Suckit

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-26-jailed-for-life-as-a-teenager-for-hammering-boy-to-death-to-be-released-in-less-than-two-years-30580270.html

Thanks, I saw that, it said he was due for release in two years, but doesn't say if he was.
I was wondering if he had a psychological assessment done and passed, or if he was just released.

iamwhoiam

Kidchameleon wrote: »

This is exactly my point. And with that I will leave you all to it.

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Pity you couldn’t make your point articulately without trying to smear others at the same time .

TCDStudent1

Suckit wrote: »

Thanks, I saw that, it said he was due for release in two years, but doesn't say if he was.
I was wondering if he had a psychological assessment done and passed, or if he was just released.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-can-relax-now-and-not-be-nervous-that-i-would-see-him-mum-after-sons-killer-banned-from-town-35711934.html




That 2017 article states:

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Goodwin, formerly of Graigue, Mountmellick, was released last year after a review of psychiatric reports carried out while he was in prison.
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Kidchameleon

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Pity you couldn’t make your point articulately without trying to smear others at the same time .

Ditto to everyone who smeared B's dad, an innocent man who's life will never be the same. Bye.

Tazium

Apologies if this has been solved in the lengthy thread. If the boys serve their sentence and are released only to reoffend, does the state then bear any liability in the failure to reform them?

Eric Cartman

Tazium wrote: »

Apologies if this has been solved in the lengthy thread. If the boys serve their sentence and are released only to reoffend, does the state then bear any liability in the failure to reform them?

Absolutely not , we have repffending rates over 90%, the state would be sued to bankruptcy were that the case

Tazium

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Absolutely not , we have repffending rates over 90%, the state would be sued to bankruptcy were that the case

Isn't there a duty of care to the public by the state? Again apologies for taking this tangent.

Eric Cartman

Tazium wrote: »

Isn't there a duty of care to the public by the state? Again apologies for taking this tangent.

Clearly not , prisoners have too many rights in this country and how often ‘suspended sentences’ are used for career criminals is a joke.

OwlsZat

OwlsZat wrote: »

Yes I would speculate that Boy B photographed or videoed the event.

As for the parents, yes it's quite obvious both sets of parents have failed massively. When I do parent will be installing keyloggers on my children's devices to monitor for a vast array of key words. I don't see how you can effectively parent without this.

tuxy wrote: »

How would this work when the majority of children have a greater knowledge of new technology than their parents?

Unfortunately there's no one size fits all solutions with parenting. I'd just much rather know what questions my children have rather than guessing. It's time to have a chat about x because they are asking the internet... or talking about with friends.

There are a multitude of these products available. I'm sure they will improve and get easier to implement such is the rise in internet bullying

Suckit

Kidchameleon wrote: »

This is exactly my point. And with that I will leave you all to it.

RIP Ana. We will make the scum who did this to you die screaming.

So your point was actually not to disrespect the family of a murdered child, but in fact to teach everyone else here a lesson?
Is that how you argue everything?
Not the best way to get your point across, by any means.

dudara

@Suckit - stay civil to other posters and argue the post, not the man.

dudara

splinter65

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Ditto to everyone who smeared B's dad, an innocent man who's life will never be the same. Bye.

I don’t agree that pointing out facts as we know them is “smearing”. What are the facts? Let’s see:
1. Boy bs dad left his wife to sit through the agonizing Garda interviews where his son was shown to be a consummate wicked devious liar over a period of many hours.
2. He showed what an utter cnut he was in court with his foul mouthed tantrum when the judge jury and prosecution did their job and only their job.

Implying that Ana’s father is actually responsible for her death by allowing her out to play early on a bright summer evening is “smearing” though, and lots of posters here will remember you for a long time for that alone.
Bye now.

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Kidchameleon wrote: »

Ditto to everyone who smeared B's dad, an innocent man who's life will never be the same. Bye.

Nobody has suggested that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's death yet you have suggested that Ana's father was responsible for her death.

You are the only poster here making that kind of disgusting accusation.