Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

LiamoSail

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Ditto to everyone who smeared B's dad, an innocent man who's life will never be the same. Bye.

At least he knows what happened his child. A shame he wouldn't extend the same courtesy to the Kriegel family

LiamoSail

Tazium wrote: »

Apologies if this has been solved in the lengthy thread. If the boys serve their sentence and are released only to reoffend, does the state then bear any liability in the failure to reform them?

Knowing Ireland, it'd probably be the reoffenders themselves entitled to the compensation

FFred

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Ditto to everyone who smeared B's dad, an innocent man who's life will never be the same. Bye.

iamwhoiam

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Nobody has suggested that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's death yet you have suggested that Ana's father was responsible for her death.

You are the only poster here making that kind of disgusting accusation.

I would imagine he is the only poster in Ireland who would even think that way . No one else would sink that low

Kidchameleon

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I would imagine he is the only poster in Ireland who would even think that way . No one else would sink that low

Pretty much everyone else sank that low by blaming B's dad.... for the record I do not blame Patric, I was trying to illustrate what blaming an innocent person can do. B's dad has suffered enough and doesnt need a gang of keyboard warriors saying he should be locked up with his son. The only people responsible are A & B.

RIP Ana.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-can-relax-now-and-not-be-nervous-that-i-would-see-him-mum-after-sons-killer-banned-from-town-35711934.html




That 2017 article states:

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Goodwin, formerly of Graigue, Mountmellick, was released last year after a review of psychiatric reports carried out while he was in prison.
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So that life sentence was 12 or so years. Not a lot for a deliberate murder. Not much of a deterrent.

tuxy

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Nobody has suggested that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's death yet you have suggested that Ana's father was responsible for her death.

You are the only poster here making that kind of disgusting accusation.

Nobody?

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I believe that the boys' parents should all be arrested and charged with being an accessory to the crime. Boy As mother washed a blood soaked hoodie TWICE! Unless she is intellectual deficienct, she knew what happened. Someone was killed or seriously hurt.
All four parents stood by these two proclaiming their innocence and interfering brazenly in the face of overwhelming evidence. How they could even show their faces in public after knowing what their kids did is actually staggeringly brazen.

Kidchameleon

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I would imagine he is the only poster in Ireland who would even think that way . No one else would sink that low

Im sure he regrets letting her go off that day with B. That doesnt mean he is responsible

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Kidchameleon wrote: »

Pretty much everyone else sank that low by blaming B's dad.... for the record I do not blame Patric, I was trying to illustrate what blaming an innocent person can do. B's dad has suffered enough and doesnt need a gang of keyboard warriors saying he should be locked up with his son. The only people responsible are A & B.

RIP Ana.

Nobody claimed that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's death. Show the evidence for this assertion you keep making?

Your mealy mouthed RIP on the end of the post is laughable considering what you have said about the family of a murder victim.

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tuxy wrote: »

Nobody?

That post doesnt say that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's murder.

KidChameleon stated that Ana's father was responsible for her murder.

tuxy

....... wrote: »

That post doesnt say that Boy B's father was responsible for Ana's murder.

KidChameleon stated that Ana's father was responsible for her murder.

Still, claiming that all four parents are accessories is insane!

Kidchameleon

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KidChameleon stated that Ana's father was responsible for her murder.

No I didnt. Please quote the post you are refering to... I have said multiple times Patric is not responsible.

iamwhoiam

Sometimes its best to open the window and let a bad smell fade away rather than encourage it to linger .

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Kidchameleon wrote: »

No I didnt. Please quote the post you are refering to... I have said multiple times Patric is not responsible.

What, you think I wouldnt be able to re-find it?

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I assume anyone criticizing the parenting skills of boy B's father for supposedly not caring what was going on when the garda was in his house the night Ana disappeared, will be equally as critical of Patric Kriegel. After all, he let Ana go off with a 13 year old boy whom he did not know & he did not know where they were going. Geraldine on the other hand, knew instantly that she should not have been with that boy. If Geraldine were at home at the time boy B called, Ana would be alive now. Why was Geraldine so much more in tune with Ana's life than Patric?

dudara

Right, this stops now. It’s going around in circles and detracting from the very good discussion that had been taking place.

If either side continues, there will be cards

dudara

Kidchameleon

I haven't see this shared on thread yet, it contains a good write up of all of the physical and circumstantial evidence that got the convictions.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kri%C3%A9gel-the-five-things-that-convicted-boys-a-and-b-of-murder-1.3932346

Gadgetman496

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I haven't see this shared on thread yet, it contains a good write up of all of the physical and circumstantial evidence that got the convictions.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kri%C3%A9gel-the-five-things-that-convicted-boys-a-and-b-of-murder-1.3932346

Something in that article caught my attention which led me to wonder if it was done to facilitate better quality photos or video, possibly using a mobile phone as the recording device?

Article quote:

Gardaí believed the tape had instead been used to drag Ana to the other side of the room, over to where there was more light. It could not be determined if she was conscious or alive at this point.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I haven't see this shared on thread yet, it contains a good write up of all of the physical and circumstantial evidence that got the convictions.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kri%C3%A9gel-the-five-things-that-convicted-boys-a-and-b-of-murder-1.3932346

The whole tape story is quiet weird.

LiamoSail

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Something in that article caught my attention which led me to wonder if it was done to facilitate better quality photos or video, possibly using a mobile phone as the recording device?

Article quote:

Between that, Boy B's phone not having been found and Boy B's father deliberately stating on the stand that Boy B had lost two phones, it would seem very suspicious .

Kidchameleon

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

The whole tape story is quiet weird.

Guards seem convinced B took it to the scene but it could well have been A. I would imagine the guards took a look at the items B made with the tape such as a bow & arrow. That stuff is VERY strong

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Guards seem convinced B took it to the scene but it could well have been A. I would imagine the guards took a look at the items B made with the tape such as a bow & arrow. That stuff is VERY strong

What’s confusing to me is who owned the tape in the B’s house. It reads like it’s the boy who bought it for side projects, but he apologises to his father for giving some if it (but not all of it) to boy A.

Since most of the tape was still there and it’s the boy’s tape anyway this conversation sounds off.

Kidchameleon

From what I understand from the article, the tape that was in B's house found by the guards was a different roll. The end of a roll was given to A some time previously. I may be picking it up wrong though

Gadgetman496

LiamoSail wrote: »

Between that, Boy B's phone not having been found and Boy B's father deliberately stating on the stand that Boy B had lost two phones, it would seem very suspicious .

Well, it wouldn't be beyond the bounds of belief that the perpetrator of the crime wanted some sort of trophy considering their interest in all things satanic?

I mean if you really wanted to push the theory boat out you could suggest that boy B's phone were not in fact lost but in the possession of boy A, not only to record the event but also to implicate boy B if the need arose? He may have stashed them en-route home as they did go in different directions. You just couldn't overemphasize the devious mind of boy A.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

What I’m confused about is who actually owned or bought the tape for B.

Hannibal_Smith

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

What’s confusing to me is who owned the tape in the B’s house. It reads like it’s the boy who bought it for side projects, but he apologises to his father for giving some if it (but not all of it) to boy A.

Since most of the tape was still there and it’s the boy’s tape anyway this conversation sounds off.

I thought I read somewhere it belongs to the dad?

c.p.w.g.w

tuxy wrote: »

How would this work when the majority of children have a greater knowledge of new technology than their parents?

I managed to install it on my own laptop a number of years back. In an elorborate prank on my then housemate, who works in the field of IT. He had been using my laptop at the time to play games and use Facebook, as he was too tight to buy his own and was too afraid to use his work laptop for gaming. He had zero idea that it was on the laptop

Managed to get some of his passwords for his numerous social media accounts. He saw the funny side... eventually

Ash.J.Williams

I occasionally have to remind people that if you have even a passing interest in heavy metal there is absolutely nothing odd about satanism in your search history...but I heard no mention of music during the case

Gadgetman496

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

What I’m confused about is who actually owned or bought the tape for B.

Again, from the latest article it would appear it was boy B's fathers tape.

Boy B’s story was backed up by his father, who told the trial he was in the garden with Boy B the weekend before Ana’s murder when his son told him he had lent Boy A the tape.

The father was furious. The tape was expensive and so sticky that it was very difficult to handle. “I became very frustrated. I told him he can’t give anything from my shed to anyone without my permission.”

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Again, from the latest article it would appear it was boy B's fathers tape.

Yes but that doesn’t make a lot of sense because previously boy B said he was using the tape for his own personal projects.

Gadgetman496

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Yes but that doesn’t make a lot of sense because previously boy B said he was using the tape for his own personal projects.

He did. The tape was €30 bucks a roll and I'd imagine the father was happy for his own son to use it but not to be giving it away to other people. A let them buy their own attitude perhaps?