Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Nobelium

DubInMeath wrote: »

Have some respect for the dead and her family.

The same type of ****e was attempted in the thread regarding her death first being reported and as usual ye couldn't give a flying **** about what actually happened.

Respect, you ? lol - You're the one just caught red handed making pac man symbols in relation to her families memorial.

Nobelium

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Nobelium wrote: »

Respect, you ? lol - You're the one just caught red handed making pac man symbols in relation to her families memorial.

Really care to show that post? Because I didn't make it.

Nobelium

DubInMeath wrote: »

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Really care to show that post? Because I didn't make it.

So you're defending it then, just as bad

Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

So you're defending it then, just as bad

Where did I post what you claimed

Nobelium

DubInMeath wrote: »

Where did I post what you claimed

you sound just like boy B . . let me guess, you couldn't get a corpo house ?

Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

you sound just like boy B . . let me guess, you couldn't get a corpo house ?

Wrong again on multiple levels

Now you can continue to troll and show no respect, but I am done with you in this case.

Stop moaning ffs

Does anyone know or have insight into the judges process leading up to sentencing? I know this one has commissioned reports into their background etc.
But is he working within a framework like precedents or can he just review the whole case and apply a punishment to fit the crime? (We know that doesn’t happen generally) but with minors and such a serious crime, how does he go about applying or finding a suitable sentence?

Tokyo

Nobelium wrote: »

Respect, you ? lol - You're the one just caught red handed making pac man symbols in relation to her families memorial.

Nobelium wrote: »

you sound just like boy B . . let me guess, you couldn't get a corpo house ?

Mod: You've been warned before about the low-brow posting. Attack the post, not the poster, and post something of actual substance next time.

Suckit

I was just retracing their steps through the park and to the house on maps, and the cctv footage really is invaluable.
They could have lured her anywhere.
She may not have been found for months without it. That and the fact that her brother recognised Boy B.
Had her brother not seen him, the already mountainous task of searching through the cctv footage may have been near impossible. They would never have questioned boy B for the first time (so early on, anyway), and they would never have been able to debunk his lies about the route he took etc.
They would never seen the two of them share the look that made the Gardaí realise something was not right.
There was already a lot of false sightings of her, so they needed to investigate before finding them false.
Boy B might never have been brought for the initial questioning.

One of the most difficult parts of this to overcome, for the parents surely must be an app that they used to use to track Ana's location. Ana had removed herself from that just a couple of months prior to that day.
I guess there will always be what-ifs in these type of cases.

Nobelium

Suckit wrote: »

That and the fact that her brother recognised Boy B.
Had her brother not seen him, the already mountainous task of searching through the cctv footage may have been near impossible.

Sorry who's brother, I can't make it out from your paragraph ?

gozunda

Nobelium wrote: »

Sorry who's brother, I can't make it out from your paragraph ?

Ana's brother ...

Nobelium

gozunda wrote: »

Ana's brother ...

thanks, I thought she was an only child

Suckit

No, she had a brother, and when she went with Boy B he recognised him from school. I think her father had asked him before letting her go.
Her brother recognised him from School and that's how they had a name for the Gardaí to look up on PULSE later that eveing.

depaor01

I've just come across this thread.

I cannot get that poor unfortunate beautiful girl out of my mind. She should have been the gorgeous friend that girls wanted to hang out with, but instead was ostracised by her peers. Was she a threat to them? who knows.

So vulnerable and innocent. She was troubled, but adored her family and her family life.

What a horrible horrible end. I hope her bullies have sleepless nights forever.

I went to the derelict house and prayed for her a few days ago.

Rest in peace Ana.

gozunda

depaor01 wrote: »

I've just come across this thread.

I cannot get that poor unfortunate beautiful girl out of my mind. She should have been the gorgeous friend that girls wanted to hang out with, but instead was ostracised by her peers. Was she a threat to them? who knows.

So vulnerable and innocent. She was troubled, but adored her family and her family life.

What a horrible horrible end. I hope her bullies have sleepless nights forever.

I went to the derelict house and prayed for her a few days ago.
Rest in peace Ana.

The sister in law is a secondary school teacher. Stories she has related regarding young kids / teenagers bullying other are truely horrendous tbh. The ostracizing of children who are perceived to be different is not unusual - often with gangs of kids targeting more vulnerable children. And not all schools are proactive despite anti bullying policies being in place. Sadly this type of ****e is a lot more common than many of us could imagine.

Everyone needs to be vigilant to this type of behaviour - both teachers and parents of children who are bullying. Unfortunately in Ana's case this type of behaviour lead to her being targeted by at least one psychopath and murdered ....

mrjoneill

Suckit wrote: »

I was just retracing their steps through the park and to the house on maps, and the cctv footage really is invaluable.
They could have lured her anywhere.
She may not have been found for months without it. That and the fact that her brother recognised Boy B.
Had her brother not seen him, the already mountainous task of searching through the cctv footage may have been near impossible. They would never have questioned boy B for the first time (so early on, anyway), and they would never have been able to debunk his lies about the route he took etc.
They would never seen the two of them share the look that made the Gardaí realise something was not right.
There was already a lot of false sightings of her, so they needed to investigate before finding them false.
Boy B might never have been brought for the initial questioning.

One of the most difficult parts of this to overcome, for the parents surely must be an app that they used to use to track Ana's location. Ana had removed herself from that just a couple of months prior to that day.
I guess there will always be what-ifs in these type of cases.

Ana's phone last pinged of a mast in Lucan which focused the search there. I have no doubt the bringing her into Lucan was to throw Gardai out of the search for her when her body would be discovered prob weeks after. They did not pencil in phone triangulation & Ana's brother recognizing Boy B.

Suckit

Yep, the phone ping was definitely a help, but without the rest, it is far less likely the two of them would have been caught.
Well, they may eventually have matched Boy A's DNA if they knew where to look.

avalidusername

Haven't been on this thread in about a week and a half so I'm not going searching back. There's a reference made a few times to one of the court staff saying "he's too high, get him out" in relation to the actions of the father of Boy B after the verdict regarding shouting and slow hand clap.
Just wanna confirm "high" is another way of saying "drunk" in many countries, so as always, don't read too deep into what you hear or actually read online unless it's first hand confirmation.

Source: Spent the week with my girl from Zambia, she kept saying she was So High on the Luas Red Line back to our hotel. Zambians can't drink for sh1t :P

pablo128

avalidusername wrote: »

Haven't been on this thread in about a week and a half so I'm not going searching back. There's a reference made a few times to one of the court staff saying "he's too high, get him out" in relation to the actions of the father of Boy B after the verdict regarding shouting and slow hand clap.
Just wanna confirm "high" is another way of saying "drunk" in many countries, so as always, don't read too deep into what you hear or actually read online unless it's first hand confirmation.

Source: Spent the week with my girl from Zambia, she kept saying she was So High on the Luas Red Line back to our hotel. Zambians can't drink for sh1t :P

I've read the whole thread and I have no idea what you're talking about.

tuxy

pablo128 wrote: »

I've read the whole thread and I have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess he must be "too high, get him out"

The Specialist

avalidusername wrote: »

Haven't been on this thread in about a week and a half so I'm not going searching back. There's a reference made a few times to one of the court staff saying "he's too high, get him out" in relation to the actions of the father of Boy B after the verdict regarding shouting and slow hand clap.
Just wanna confirm "high" is another way of saying "drunk" in many countries, so as always, don't read too deep into what you hear or actually read online unless it's first hand confirmation.

Source: Spent the week with my girl from Zambia, she kept saying she was So High on the Luas Red Line back to our hotel. Zambians can't drink for sh1t :P

I’d assume the high reference is highly strung, nobody in Ireland uses high as a description for being drunk.

avalidusername

The Specialist wrote: »

I’d assume the high reference is highly strung, nobody in Ireland uses high as a description for being drunk.

Apologies for my phrase of speech, I meant it's possible that if the court person was quoted correctly about saying "High", it could just mean drunk, and not High as it's familiar in Ireland, as in drugs etc.

Nobody said the person in court that used the high reference was from Ireland, nor Irish.

Kidchameleon

Well I havnt head of a court transcript detailing what was said but if it is the case someone said he was too "high" I would imagine it was a reference to the volume of his voice

tuxy

avalidusername wrote: »

Apologies for my phrase of speech, I meant it's possible that if the court person was quoted correctly about saying "High", it could just mean drunk, and not High as it's familiar in Ireland, as in drugs etc.

Can you link to the source of this quote from the court?
No one has any idea where you got it from as it's not been talked about on this thread yet.

corpusvile

It's mentioned in the Conor Gallagher IT article

The courtroom was silent for about 30 seconds. Boy A appeared to cry while Boy B held his head in his hands.

Boy B’s father began shouting. A prison officer told his wife: “He’s too high. He has to go out.” The father slammed the courtroom door as he left, before returning a few seconds later and embracing his wife and son. Boy A’s parents also wept and hugged their son but remained silent.

tuxy

100% his voice is too high, can't be anything else.

pablo128

pablo128 wrote: »

I've read the whole thread and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Amazing how people like yourself and tuxy, so prolific in this thread, haven't even read the basics of the case. Read the article.

tuxy

Deleted User wrote: »

Amazing how people like yourself and tuxy, so prolific in this thread, haven't even read the basics of the case. Read the article.

Someone raising their voice but not being in contempt of court is hardly integral information.

LiamoSail

I reckon he was high on something because after hearing that evidence, it's the only explanation for thinking his son was innocent

tuxy

tuxy wrote: »

No one has any idea where you got it from as it's not been talked about on this thread yet.

Not integral information, but if you had read the definitive article on the case you would remember these details.