Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Shemale

Sorry, I was wrong. Apologies OP, I need to inform myself!!

cavemeister

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

If Jon Venables and Robert Thompson were pictured and named as James Bulger's killers, will this happen in Ireland?

They were only ten

At the end of the day, there is a school in Lucan that Ana went to that has 2 teenage boys who should be in school that are not - It won't take a genius to figure out why. Also, Ireland is a very small place, word will spread very quickly as to who they are, no media blocks will stop word of mouth. I'd say, within a month you will know their names.

Gimme A Pound

....... wrote: »

How does that make you any different to them?

I don't agree with that poster's suggestion but it's certainly not the same as what was done to Ana, who did nothing wrong... and it is only a sentence on the internet.

ED E

As the courtroom began to empty out, Boy B's father shouted at garda"You bunch of scumbags, you ****ing pricks, innocent boy."

Apple doesnt fall far....

Mam of 4

I have the utmost respect for Ana's parents , who day after day had to see those boys maintain their innocence in court , listen to their daughters murder being described in minute , horrific detail ,, and yet maintained their dignity and composure throughout .

Feisar

ED E wrote: »

Apple doesnt fall far....

I'm on the same page as you re two bullets and a bog hole for the pair of scumbags.

However I have to give the Dad a pass on his outburst, the poor man probably thinks the lad is innocent. Blind denial I would think.

tayto lover

They will probably be kept together in Oberstown as it’s the only Boys Detention Centre. I would keep these two murdering vermin apart at all costs if possible. They will feed of each other and continue to plot as they enjoyed this murdering episode far too much.

jmayo

From humberlog earlier

Yeah you are right but there was a really odd story that came out from boy B"s father's testimony.

The gardai came to the door of boy B the day after Ana's disappearance. The father had returned from work at 5 and the Gardai knocked at the door at 8. The mother and boy B talked to the gardai on the doorstep. The father passed them in the hall,at 9 noted his son and wife were still talking to the gards about Ana. He didn't stop to listen and went straight up to bed and went to sleep.
In the morning he had a brief conversation about it with his wife.

Now that is a sign of some pretty sh1tty parenting skills.

Very weird alright.
I mean how many of us wouldn't scamper off to bed when our 13 year old kid is being chatted to at the door by Gardai.
And especially so when they have already been talking for an hour.

One might even leap to the conclusion he has nothing, but contempt for the Gardai.
Oh and couldn't give shyte when a young girl around the same age as his son and in the same school is missing.

Feisar

tupenny wrote: »

Oh he knows far more than you think, i can promise you that

In that case I'll take yer word for it.

cavemeister

tupenny wrote: »

Not lucan

Leixlip? Sorry, just assumed she went to school in Lucan. Anyway, it doesn't matter where she went to school.

SirChenjin

cavemeister wrote: »

At the end of the day, there is a school in Lucan that Ana went to that has 2 teenage boys who should be in school that are not - It won't take a genius to figure out why. Also, Ireland is a very small place, word will spread very quickly as to who they are, no media blocks will stop word of mouth. I'd say, within a month you will know their names.

Leixlip.

Vicarious Function

BattleCorp wrote: »

I did a quick Google and can't see anything that says that they were tried as adults.

Maybe someone else will turn up something either way.

I have not seen anything that indicated they were tried as adults. They were treated as children, being allowed to sit with their parents/guardians in the body/back of the Court and not in the Dock, as would be mandatory for an Adult accused. Also both boys were excused from the court during the evidence of Professor Marie Cassidy, which described the injuries meted out to Ana.

Delighted at the verdict. R.I.P. Ana!

mariaalice

There should have been some way that the parents were asked how come their children aged 13 and 14 had unmonitored access to the internet on a smartphone. I hate blaming parents as it is usuley lot more complex.

Just maybe this will be the turning point where it will become the norm and expected as normal parenting to monitor the use of smartphones by young teens.

anewme

Feisar wrote: »

I'm on the same page as you re two bullets and a bog hole for the pair of scumbags.

However I have to give the Dad a pass on his outburst, the poor man probably thinks the lad is innocent. Blind denial I would think.

Read the piece in the Independent on the Guilty Verdict.

Ana's parents conducted themselves with quiet dignity, unlike this thundering oaf of a man. He showed blatent disrespect to Ana's family effing and blinding in the Court.

The Father's conduct even back as far as the Gardai interviewing his son was odd too. He didn't ask why his son was being interviewed?

tayto lover

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Reading the reports now I am beginning to wonder if B was the mastermind . He is clever and astute and a proficient liar

That’s what I felt as the court details emerged day by day. Ring leader.

ED E

mariaalice wrote: »

There should have been some way that the parents were asked how come their children aged 13 and 14 had unmonitored access to the internet on a smartphone. I hate blaming parents as it is usuley lot more complex.

Just maybe this will be the turning point where it will become the norm and expected as normal parenting to monitor the use of smartphones by young teens.

We can't even enforce the dog license, how the hell do you think that would ever be really enforced? Most parents don't even know how. There are 7yo's with more tech knowledge than both parents and both grandparents combined.

These kids are sick fcks, internet or no.

Strazdas

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Reading the reports now I am beginning to wonder if B was the mastermind . He is clever and astute and a proficient liar

He seems far more intelligent and mature than A and apparently was very composed when being questioned. The idea that he was terrified of A doesn't really seem to stack up.

El_Bee

jmayo wrote: »

From humberlog earlier



Very weird alright.
I mean how many of us wouldn't scamper off to bed when our 13 year old kid is being chatted to at the door by Gardai.
And especially so when they have already been talking for an hour.

One might even leap to the conclusion he has nothing, but contempt for the Gardai.
Oh and couldn't give shyte when a young girl around the same age as his son and in the same school is missing.

Just to play devils advocate here, at this stage she was still just missing, he may have thought they were doing door to door and just couldnt be bothered to pay attention.

Purple Mountain

kravmaga wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Will they be named?

When they reach 18yrs old they can then both be named.

They can never be named even at aged 18.

Stop moaning ffs

Did the parents know the boys had done this before they had been arrested for it?
I haven’t been following this trial at all, it’s so upsetting.

But that fathers behaviour seems downright suspicious

take everything

Little ****ing scumbags.
Hope they get everything they deserve

jmayo

El_Bee wrote: »

Just to play devils advocate here, at this stage she was still just missing, he may have thought they were doing door to door and just couldnt be bothered to pay attention.

Ah jaysus there are some fierce gullible people around here altogether.

If a Guard was at my door questioning my son and my missus I would either think the kid might be in trouble or the Guard was trying to get off with the missus.
Either way I would tend to want to know what the fook they were talking about for so long.

And I definitely don't believe he waited until the next day to discuss it with the wife.

Why do I think daddy is as big a liar as sonny.

Xenji

Purple Mountain wrote: »

They can never be named even at aged 18.

They can't, but in the digital age I wonder how long it will be before they are made known outside of traditional media, if it has not already happened.

DoozerT6

I hope they die screaming.

And soon.

Atoms for Peace

The whole thing is horrendously upsetting, has me on the verge of tears. Thinking about everything Anna had to overcome only to prayed on by those two because they only thought of her as a "weirdo", disgusting.

This is it

Just saw a piece on Ana on RTE News, heartbreaking.

LLMMLL

Too much being made of the porn. I remember in the 90s when we first got the internet my brother and 5 or so of his friends one day looked up a whole host of shocking imagery. I remember one was a girl inserting Coke cans into her vagina and there was animal porn as well. I was 12, he and his friends were 14. None of them have grown up to be murdering sexual deviants (as far as I know).

My cousin at that age had all the traits of a proper psycho. Lit fires, tortured flies and frogs, was obsessed with porn (though we had very limited access unlike today). He's grown up to be a pretty nice guy in a stable relationship.

Around the age of 11-12 I recall a friend telling me "he practiced his sex moves on his sister". At the time I remember thinking "oh that's weird" but not "this is child abuse I must alert the authorities".

I think people forget how bizarrely their minds worked at the age of 11-13 or so.

That's not in any way meant to excuse what these two boys did. It wouldn't have ever occurred to me to murder and sexually abuse someone. And then to actually carry it out....

But to pretend we understand how children of that age think and can predict their behaviour based on their online activity is just silly IMO.

I don't think it does anyone any favours to pretend that that age group are innocent lambs.

eviltwin

Xenji wrote: »

They can't, but in the digital age I wonder how long it will be before they are made known outside of traditional media, if it has not already happened.

I've already seen some information about them online. It doesn't identify them per se but if you are from the area it would probably be obvious.

iamwhoiam

A beautiful tribute to Ana on RTE news just now .At last it was about Ana and her life and joys . RIP Ana

RickBlaine

The fact that she was probably happy, excited and hopeful at the possibility of making new friends is heartbreaking. It is shocking to think a 13 year old could be possible of such heinous cruelty and violence.