Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

JustAThought

Revolting case & God help that poor murdered girl and her family and brother. The chilling part is that the whole community school were involved in bullying and isolating her daily. Even the primary school aide knew what that place was like and came to the family home to warn her family off sending her there. Where are those families, the schools apathetic teachers and principal tonight?There is a lot more guilty in this case than those two vile evil monsters and their parents. RIP Ana.

Spanish Eyes

Something at the back of my mind has me wondering if A was being bullied by B to commit this awful act....... It's possible I suppose.

mdol

Absolutely sickening listening to the details of her death on the news interspersed with bull**** about the perpetrators being children and the need for their rehabilitation, blah, blah, blah

After the verdict was announced them two bastards should have been immediately dragged out of the court and hanged from the nearest tree.

TheValeyard

tupenny wrote: »

Oh he knows far more than you think, i can promise you that

I'd say a few of their mates knew a fair bit also and said nothing.

mloc123

MOD: No, and not again please.

Strazdas

iamwhoiam wrote: »

A beautiful tribute to Ana on RTE news just now .At last it was about Ana and her life and joys . RIP Ana

Yes indeed, she was a beautiful girl and it seems with many talents.

The main story here is the loss of poor Ana......those other two individuals are a sideshow

Feisar

mdol wrote: »

Absolutely sickening listening to the details of her death on the news interspersed with bull**** about the perpetrators being children and the need for their rehabilitation, blah, blah, blah

After the verdict was announced them two bastards should have been immediately dragged out of the court and hanged from the nearest tree.

We've a funny concept of what constitutes justice in the western world.

McCrack

LLMMLL wrote: »

Too much being made of the porn. I remember in the 90s when we first got the internet my brother and 5 or so of his friends one day looked up a whole host of shocking imagery. I remember one was a girl inserting Coke cans into her vagina and there was animal porn as well. I was 12, he and his friends were 14. None of them have grown up to be murdering sexual deviants (as far as I know).

My cousin at that age had all the traits of a proper psycho. Lit fires, tortured flies and frogs, was obsessed with porn (though we had very limited access unlike today). He's grown up to be a pretty nice guy in a stable relationship.

Around the age of 11-12 I recall a friend telling me "he practiced his sex moves on his sister". At the time I remember thinking "oh that's weird" but not "this is child abuse I must alert the authorities".

I think people forget how bizarrely their minds worked at the age of 11-13 or so.

That's not in any way meant to excuse what these two boys did. It wouldn't have ever occurred to me to murder and sexually abuse someone. And then to actually carry it out....

But to pretend we understand how children of that age think and can predict their behaviour based on their online activity is just silly IMO.

I don't think it does anyone any favours to pretend that that age group are innocent lambs.

I don't think your cousin was demonstrating psychopathic tendencies by lighting fires, torturing flies, porn obsession .. Pretty usual young teenage male behaviour

Stop moaning ffs

Just reading the two were excused from the court room when the details of the attack and beating etc were being read to the jury.

They should have been made to ait through it.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

mloc123 wrote: »

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Not for me

Feisar

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Just reading the two were excused from the court room when the details of the attack and beating etc were being read to the jury.

They should have been made to ait through it.

I doubt it would have disturbed the pair of cnuts. Probably their solicitors trying to make it like it'd be to harrowing for them, to show them in a better light.

Mad_maxx

JustAThought wrote: »

Revolting case & God help that poor murdered girl and her family and brother. The chilling part is that the whole community school were involved in bullying and isolating her daily. Even the primary school aide knew what that place was like and came to the family home to warn her family off sending her there. Where are those families, the schools apathetic teachers and principal tonight?There is a lot more guilty in this case than those two vile evil monsters and their parents. RIP Ana.

We are a terrible country for ignoring anyone not local, the other school kids saw her as different, my partner and I are blow ins where we live and the clannishness never fails to astound you, we do worry our children will be ignored in school due to the fact their grandfather didn't hurl for the parish

take everything

elli21 wrote: »

I know a lady who was involved in their local youth club.She told me that when Ana would sit down with a group the other kids would get up and walk away.
Heartbreaking that she suffered so much

Jesus that's shocking. Apart from her violent rape and murder at the hands of little ****ers (at least one of whom planned it), lied about it and plead not guilty, the ostracism she suffered is yet another reason i feel so strongly about this case.

gormdubhgorm

Hal3000 wrote: »

I think we need mandatory anger management lessons in schools. So many aggressive little toerags about these days.

Anger management lessons?
Are you for real?
The type of people you want to target with these lessons are the same who are likely not to turn up at school at all.

Anger management lessons... :rolleyes:


Pie in the sky stuff.

py2006

Imagine the classroom those two boys were in. The sudden absence without explanation.

The teacher having to deal with difficult questions.

I wonder how the school handles it all.

Shocking stuff.

Calhoun

take everything wrote: »

Jesus that's shocking. Apart from her violent rape and murder at the hands of little ****ers (at least one of whom planned it), lied about it and plead not guilty, the ostracism she suffered is yet another reason i feel so strongly about this case.

Hopefully to spotlight switches back to this in the coming days and the people involved have time to have a hard look at themselves.

On the topic at hand i am pleased with the verdict but hope the sentencing is done right.

Boggles

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Something at the back of my mind has me wondering if A was being bullied by B to commit this awful act....... It's possible I suppose.

Possible maybe, but no, IMO.

Given what we know I would be firmly in the belief Boy A was the alpha in this.

His lies were just as callus and calculating as Boy B. Driving around looking for the 2 boys who beat him up is next level acting.

That said I don't think either of them are what I would describe as intelligent or special.

Mad_maxx

mdol wrote: »

Absolutely sickening listening to the details of her death on the news interspersed with bull**** about the perpetrators being children and the need for their rehabilitation, blah, blah, blah

After the verdict was announced them two bastards should have been immediately dragged out of the court and hanged from the nearest tree.

Makes you wonder sometimes if Liberal Western democracy is all that civilised, that these guy's will be out in a decade and that they will now cost the tax payer a fortune for decades due to the inevitable task of relocating them outside the country upon their eventual release, have we really got the right approach to heinous crimes, people like these can never have redemption, death would be a mercy to them

LLMMLL

McCrack wrote: »

LLMMLL wrote: »

Too much being made of the porn. I remember in the 90s when we first got the internet my brother and 5 or so of his friends one day looked up a whole host of shocking imagery. I remember one was a girl inserting Coke cans into her vagina and there was animal porn as well. I was 12, he and his friends were 14. None of them have grown up to be murdering sexual deviants (as far as I know).

My cousin at that age had all the traits of a proper psycho. Lit fires, tortured flies and frogs, was obsessed with porn (though we had very limited access unlike today). He's grown up to be a pretty nice guy in a stable relationship.

Around the age of 11-12 I recall a friend telling me "he practiced his sex moves on his sister". At the time I remember thinking "oh that's weird" but not "this is child abuse I must alert the authorities".

I think people forget how bizarrely their minds worked at the age of 11-13 or so.

That's not in any way meant to excuse what these two boys did. It wouldn't have ever occurred to me to murder and sexually abuse someone. And then to actually carry it out....

But to pretend we understand how children of that age think and can predict their behaviour based on their online activity is just silly IMO.

I don't think it does anyone any favours to pretend that that age group are innocent lambs.

I don't think your cousin was demonstrating psychopathic tendencies by lighting fires, torturing flies, porn obsession .. Pretty usual young teenage male behaviour

I wouldn't say it's USUAL teenage male behaviour. The rest of us were pretty sickened by the animal torture from what I remember. Maybe things have changed with access to porn (this was the 90s and we didn't come across it that often) but for example my bro and his friends looked up all the shocking stuff and moved on whereas my cousin was obsessed with porn constantly seeking it out.

Either way my main point is that what adults consider deviant behaviour can often be within the bounds of normality for a child, though not necessarily widespread or typical.

mariaalice

LLMMLL wrote: »

Too much being made of the porn. I remember in the 90s when we first got the internet my brother and 5 or so of his friends one day looked up a whole host of shocking imagery. I remember one was a girl inserting Coke cans into her vagina and there was animal porn as well. I was 12, he and his friends were 14. None of them have grown up to be murdering sexual deviants (as far as I know).

My cousin at that age had all the traits of a proper psycho. Lit fires, tortured flies and frogs, was obsessed with porn (though we had very limited access unlike today). He's grown up to be a pretty nice guy in a stable relationship.

Around the age of 11-12 I recall a friend telling me "he practiced his sex moves on his sister". At the time I remember thinking "oh that's weird" but not "this is child abuse I must alert the authorities".

I think people forget how bizarrely their minds worked at the age of 11-13 or so.

That's not in any way meant to excuse what these two boys did. It wouldn't have ever occurred to me to murder and sexually abuse someone. And then to actually carry it out....

But to pretend we understand how children of that age think and can predict their behaviour based on their online activity is just silly IMO.

I don't think it does anyone any favours to pretend that that age group are innocent lambs.

But as an adult people can contextualise things in a way a child or young teen cant and its not just watching pron its whole context of how they were parented plus personality traits.

corks finest

Defence solicitors guilty of greed

Gimme A Pound

My friend's son was tormented with extreme sexual imagery he wasn't ready for when being bullied at school up to last year. I really don't get dismissal of concern regarding young teens' access to hardcore porn - it's like people don't want to look like prudes or something. Or the lady doth protest too much/nerves being jarred.

No it doesn't mean they'll automatically turn into degenerates, but I can't see why there isn't a conversation to be had when it's a relatively new development that previous generations simply did not experience.

And no, teenagers aren't all clueless little kids, but they're not all jaded and horn dogs either.

LLMMLL

mariaalice wrote: »

LLMMLL wrote: »

Too much being made of the porn. I remember in the 90s when we first got the internet my brother and 5 or so of his friends one day looked up a whole host of shocking imagery. I remember one was a girl inserting Coke cans into her vagina and there was animal porn as well. I was 12, he and his friends were 14. None of them have grown up to be murdering sexual deviants (as far as I know).

My cousin at that age had all the traits of a proper psycho. Lit fires, tortured flies and frogs, was obsessed with porn (though we had very limited access unlike today). He's grown up to be a pretty nice guy in a stable relationship.

Around the age of 11-12 I recall a friend telling me "he practiced his sex moves on his sister". At the time I remember thinking "oh that's weird" but not "this is child abuse I must alert the authorities".

I think people forget how bizarrely their minds worked at the age of 11-13 or so.

That's not in any way meant to excuse what these two boys did. It wouldn't have ever occurred to me to murder and sexually abuse someone. And then to actually carry it out....

But to pretend we understand how children of that age think and can predict their behaviour based on their online activity is just silly IMO.

I don't think it does anyone any favours to pretend that that age group are innocent lambs.

But as an adult people can contextualise things in a way a child or young teen cant and its not just watching pron its whole context of how they were parented plus personality traits.

I agree. But the responses on this thread seem to be like "he looked up animal porn, he was obviously going to be a sexually deviant killer".

Hal3000

mariaalice wrote: »

There should have been some way that the parents were asked how come their children aged 13 and 14 had unmonitored access to the internet on a smartphone. I hate blaming parents as it is usuley lot more complex.

Just maybe this will be the turning point where it will become the norm and expected as normal parenting to monitor the use of smartphones by young teens.

Surely the great overlords of Facebook - Snapchat who claim they're making the world a better place could all put their heads together to create a piece of software that can monitor certain activities of young kids on phones. I'm not talking about harmless material just anything that starts to cross the lines such as torture or overly graphic material? Networks could make this mandatory for under 18 users. We need to get a better hold of what are kids are viewing, no more stupid liberal excuses... This will happen again unless we address it now.

Turbohymac

Good news..pity whatever short term they get behind bars will cost the taxpayers of Ireland about 100k per year for each ..
And will as always get free in a short few years..

Ulysses Gaze

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/you-bunch-of-scumbagsinnocent-boy-boy-bs-father-reacts-angrily-to-guilty-verdict-931422.html

As the courtroom began to empty out, Boy B's father shouted at garda"You bunch of scumbags, you ****ing pricks, innocent boy."

What a hero he is!

Wanker.....

mloc123

mloc123 wrote: »

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Mad_maxx

Turbohymac wrote: »

Good news..pity whatever short term they get behind bars will cost the taxpayers of Ireland about 100k per year for each ..
And will as always get free in a short few years..

The cost of arranging new identities overseas will cost a bomb too

Gimme A Pound

Hal3000 wrote: »

Surely the great overlords of Facebook - Snapchat who claim they're making the world a better place could all put their heads together to create a piece of software that can monitor certain activities of young kids on phones. I'm not talking about harmless material just anything that starts to cross the lines such as torture or overly graphic material? Networks could make this mandatory for under 18 users. We need to get a better hold of what are kids are viewing, no more stupid liberal excuses... This will happen again unless we address it now.

Shur the "muh free expression" crowd would lose their ****.

Hannibal_Smith

When you read the reports from today of the two boys holding their mothers' hands and then think of what they did, its crazy to marry the two together. They brutally murdered a young girl and were shrewd and clever enough with gardai and now they want their mammies to hold their hands. Pair of tw*ts.