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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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    #6152
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Will these lads be named publicly now?

    Probably not till theyre 18


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    #6153
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    mrjoneill wrote: »
    I don't accept this. I believe Animal B had a homosexual attraction

    Lets hope he finds a release for this attraction in prison.


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    #6154
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Probably not till theyre 18


    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191692081934286848

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #6155
    howamidifferent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    Judge prohibited identification even after 18


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    #6156
    RollieFingers
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    Joke of a sentence for both of them, neither should be seeing the light of day again. It's Ireland though so was to be expected really, farcical that you can commit such a horrific murder and probably be out in less than ten.


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    #6157
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    mrjoneill wrote: »
    I believe Animal B had a homosexual attraction to Animal A and this was his turn on.
    ehhh....you've clearly thought about this a lot


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    #6158
    qxtasybe1nwfh2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭qxtasybe1nwfh2


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Will these lads be named publicly now?

    No, never.


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    #6159
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191692081934286848

    Whattever ablut the years, this is the biggest mock in the face to anas parents and to our nation as a whole, named shamed and pictures published on 18th birthdays would have been atleast something


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    #6160
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,871 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    I don't think they ever will?

    Shame, because in 8/15/20/however many years time, this pair of sick little cunts will be free to walk around with the rest of society with anonymity. It is not right.

    I imagine once either of them is due to get out (Boy B most likely first), their name will spread like wildfire. Their identity doesn't really matter once they're inside. When they're due to get out, people will be a lot more interested in finding out who they are, and given where the internet and social media may be at that stage there may be no stopping it regardless of court orders.


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    #6161
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    I'm not sure what a family takes from a sentencing in such horrific circumstances. But if there is any comfort to be taken from it, I wish the Kriegels all they can take. Their composure throughout has been far more than impressive. I don't know how they did it and how they carry on.

    Poor Ana.


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    #6162
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Probably not till theyre 18

    Well at least that would be something. The public should have every right to know who these convicted murderers are and if/ when they are released, where they reside.


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    #6163
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Concurrent sentencing is a ****ing joke and needs to be gotten rid of. Consecutive sentencing needs to be be brought in here quickly.


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    #6164
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    “It is clear that she was not in any real position to defend herself from Boy A, but she tried”.

    This made me so sad :(


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    #6165
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Probably not till theyre 18

    Judge has ordered that they are not to be named, not even after they are 18.


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    #6166
    [Deleted User]
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    howamidifferent wrote: »
    Judge prohibited identification even after 18

    this is a very interesting decision, probably worthy of its own discussion.

    it'll be very difficult to keep the names out of wide circulation, whether or not the media are prohibited

    rightly so imo. convicted killers should have no right to anonymity


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    #6167
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Joke of a sentence for both of them, neither should be seeing the light of day again. It's Ireland though so was to be expected really, farcical that you can commit such a horrific murder and probably be out in less than ten.

    Boy A's detention is to be reviewed after 12 years :confused:


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    #6168
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    One life ended.

    3 families ruined (forever, dare I say it).

    2 anonymous gentlemen off on a couple of years holiday happy in the knowledge they can pick up where they left off as nobody will be any the wiser.

    I don't care if these two pricks turn their lives around and end up brain surgeons, they should have seen the death penalty.

    Over 7 billion people in the world, we should have some standards.


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    #6169
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Well at least that would be something. The public should have every right to know who these convicted murderers are and if/ when they are released, where they reside.
    :rolleyes:

    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.


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    #6170
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Hannibal_Smith wrote: »
    Boy A's detention is to be reviewed after 12 years :confused:

    I would take it to mean that he has to do a minimum of 12 years and after that they will decide whether to let him out or to keep him imprisoned for another while.


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    #6171
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191693563798675456

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #6172
    KWAG2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭KWAG2019


    No point complaining about the judge. The system needs to be re-ordered so that judges must start with higher tariffs before they can order review. In 12 and 8 years time the reviews will probably just slip under the radar, which is a deliberate part of the current system. Will we change the system by making it an election issue? We all know the answer.


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    #6173
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.

    The public have every right to this information.


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    #6174
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    dzilla wrote: »
    Whats difference between sentenced and detained?
    Detained applic for minor


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    #6175
    Kamili
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    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.

    yet we have a sex offenders register - but no right to know if the person next door was a murderer or not.
    :rolleyes:


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    #6176
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    howamidifferent wrote: »
    Judge prohibited identification even after 18

    The courts protecting identities of convicted murderers indefinitely? Where have we gone wrong? I can understand to some extent anonymity for minors, though given severity of this crime, not quite convinced in this case. But absolutely not when they adults.


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    #6177
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Will he be named "Boy A" on the sex offenders’ register (Which doesn't really exist here)

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #6178
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    Shambolic sentence but was to be expected. I actually thought it would be less knowing our horribly corrupt judicial system. This is now 100 proof that justice does not exist in Ireland.


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    #6179
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191693563798675456
    Was wondering about this, which is most important for Gardai to keep tabs on him if the beast ever sees freedom.


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    #6180
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Can the leniency of the sentences be appealed?


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    #6181
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    riemann wrote: »
    Can someone PM me these little runts names?

    Just so if my daughter brings one of them home in the future I'll be able to give her a heads up

    "Oh by the was bucko there raped and murdered a 14 year old girl when he was a young lad, hes sound now though"

    They'll have different names when they are released.


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