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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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    #6182
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    bubblypop wrote: »
    It's really not, people think that because they find it so unbelievable that two minors committed it.
    There's terrible murders every week in Ireland

    I'd be of the opinion that it was the victim who was a minor that makes it a worse crime.


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    #6183
    manbitesdog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭manbitesdog


    Kamili wrote: »
    yet we have a sex offenders register - but no right to know if the person next door was a murderer or not.
    :rolleyes:

    It’s not a public register afaik. Just for the authorities.


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    #6184
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Can the leniency of the sentences be appealed?

    how is a life sentence lenient?


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    #6185
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    To think that these two could pick up where they left off in their mid twenties and start dating some poor, non the wiser young girl is just terrifying. They still have their whole lives to live at that age.


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    #6186
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.

    I think the poster wants to know if there is a murderer motivated by rape and sexual assault living next door to him. Not what they had for Breakfast.

    Fair enough really.

    I presume you would have no issue with them rocking up and living beside you?


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    #6187
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    Kamili wrote: »
    yet we have a sex offenders register - but no right to know if the person next door was a murderer or not.
    :rolleyes:
    You have no access to the sex offenders register, thankfully.


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    #6188
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I would take it to mean that he has to do a minimum of 12 years and after that they will decide whether to let him out or to keep him imprisoned for another while.

    Yes I know, but the other poster is guessing they'll be out in less than 10. How could they be out in less than 10 if it's not going to be reviewed until 12 years have been served.


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    #6189
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,857 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.

    Cool virtue signaling dude


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    #6190
    Kamili
    Registered Users Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Kamili


    manbitesdog wrote: »
    It’s not a public register afaik. Just for the authorities.

    my point being that a sex offender must be on the register and a murderer not - how is that right?


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    #6191
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    how is a life sentence lenient?

    A life sentence Irish style is lenient. We all know it.

    We well get the pedantic posters saying that we have no idea when these monsters will be released but we all know if will be before they are 30. That's how Irish justice works / malfunctions.


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    #6192
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Seems like the Judge got the sentences right.

    No doubt the usual mouth-breathers won't agree.

    I'm sure they'll enjoy whipping themselves into a self-righteous froth on behalf of the poor girl's parents - they really have been amazingly dignified throughout this horrendous ordeal.


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    #6193
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    how is a life sentence lenient?

    Because everyone is reading the lowest figure and getting mad about that, no matter what happened people were set for outrage.


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    #6194
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    The public have every right to this information.
    No, they do not. Educate yourself on our laws.


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    #6195
    mrjoneill
    Registered Users Posts: 536 ✭✭✭mrjoneill


    riemann wrote: »
    One life ended.

    3 families ruined (forever, dare I say it).

    2 anonymous gentlemen off on a couple of years holiday happy in the knowledge they can pick up where they left off as nobody will be any the wiser.

    I don't care if these two pricks turn their lives around and end up brain surgeons, they should have seen the death penalty.

    Over 7 billion people in the world, we should have some standards.


    Well institutionalized after 10yrs sentence esp when begun in early teenage yrs. Don't interpret that I have remorse for them, both should never be free again for the enormity of the crime they did.


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    #6196
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Guarantee that will be appealed
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    #6197
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Can the leniency of the sentences be appealed?

    DPP can but won’t as it’s all rotten to the core. Public pressure might help as an election is coming up. That’s all theses people care about, feathering their own nest. To think that they’ll be out going about their lives again in their 20s. This country is absolutely rotten to the core.


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    #6198
    BarryD2
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    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    The public have no right to this information. Murderers are released every month in Ireland. Why are you all of a sudden wanting to know what they had for breakfast? Classic media fuelled sensationalism.

    Surely the principle behind criminal cases taken by the state is that they are conducted on behalf of the public? To determine guilt or otherwise, give appropriate sanction and to protect the public.

    How is it useful to the public, if their identities are protected into the future? That's not serving the public interest.


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    #6199
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    mrjoneill wrote: »
    Well institutionalized after 10yrs sentence esp when begun in early teenage yrs. Don't interpret that I have remorse for them, both should never be free again for the enormity of the crime they did.



    And a gravy train for the free legal aiders.


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    #6200
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191696189139431425




    Thanks to Michael O'Toole for all the updates.

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #6201
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 86,785 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Boy A sentenced to life, Boy B sentenced to 15 years

    :(
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    #6202
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Orla O'Donnell saying sentence for sexual assault was 8 not 12?


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    #6203
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    my only complaint with the sentencing would be that Boy B was convicted of murder and only received 4 years longer than that boy in Dun Laoghaire got for attempted murder.


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    #6204
    DelBoy Trotter
    Registered Users Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭DelBoy Trotter


    Deleted User wrote: »
    this is a very interesting decision, probably worthy of its own discussion.

    it'll be very difficult to keep the names out of wide circulation, whether or not the media are prohibited

    rightly so imo. convicted killers should have no right to anonymity
    BarryD2 wrote: »
    The courts protecting identities of convicted murderers indefinitely? Where have we gone wrong? I can understand to some extent anonymity for minors, though given severity of this crime, not quite convinced in this case. But absolutely not when they adults.

    I don't think the courts are protecting the murderers identity. I think not naming the murderers is protecting their families


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    #6205
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    They should be named when they are released. They will be well into adulthood then and no longer minors. I do not understand how on the one hand the judge can describe them both as highly deceptive and skilled, a danger to society and lacking in mental illness and still insist they are never to be named and have anonymous protection for life? What about the protection of society who deserve to be aware when they’re in the same vicinity as these beasts. It’s not good enough.


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    #6206
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    We all know what life sentences and prison time in Ireland means from past experiences and examples that have been set.

    I don't blame the Judge necessarily. His hands are probably tied in terms of sentencing.

    But the whole justice system is broken and I have no confidence in it. We should have a sentence for life without any sort of parole. Legislation should be introduced for this IMO.


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    #6207
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Surely the principle behind criminal cases taken by the state is that they are conducted on behalf of the public? To determine guilt or otherwise, give appropriate sanction and to protect the public.

    How is it useful to the public, if their identities are protected into the future? That's not serving the public interest.
    They boys will do their time handed down by the judge on behalf of the state. Naming these two will cause public outrage and their innocent families will be targeted. They don't deserve that.


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    #6208
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191696189139431425




    Thanks to Michael O'Toole for all the updates.

    Thanks to both of you.


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    #6209
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1191696189139431425




    Thanks to Michael O'Toole for all the updates.

    Thanks to both of you.


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    #6210
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    DelBoy Trotter wrote: »
    I don't think the courts are protecting the murderers identity. I think not naming the murderers is protecting their families

    Everyone locally or in Ireland who has an Internet connection know who the families and boys are.

    Ana has no rights anymore.

    These boys do.

    That's wrong.


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    #6211
    manbitesdog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭manbitesdog


    Kamili wrote: »
    my point being that a sex offender must be on the register and a murderer not - how is that right?

    An adult murderer gets an automatic life sentence so there would be some means of keeping tabs on them post release anyhow, and no need for a specific register for murderers.


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