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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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    #6212
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    DelBoy Trotter wrote: »
    I don't think the courts are protecting the murderers identity. I think not naming the murderers is protecting their families

    The local (& sometimes national) newspapers have regular reports from the courts, where people are named in all manner of cases. These may or may not reflect on families concerned. Why is that good enough for the majority of cases where people are publicly prosecuted and not in this instance? Double standards, influence?


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    #6213
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    DelBoy Trotter wrote: »
    I don't think the courts are protecting the murderers identity. I think not naming the murderers is protecting their families

    Well the families are sticking by their two little murderers aren't they?

    Can you imagine christmas dinner at boy a's house in 10 years.

    'wow this present is very well wrapped, duct tape and all? thanks boy a'

    'no problem, oh hand on a second someones at the door'


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    #6214
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Everyone locally or in Ireland who has an Internet connection know who the families and boys are.

    Ana has no rights anymore.

    These boys do.

    That's wrong.
    I spend a significant amount of time on the internet and have followed this case closely and I've no idea of these lads names. Again, more rhetoric from you. The vast majority of this country don't know these lads names.

    Stop posting untruths.


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    #6215
    errlloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 12,612 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    my only complaint with the sentencing would be that Boy B was convicted of murder and only received 4 years longer than that boy in Dun Laoghaire got for attempted murder.

    Obviously the kid in DL is very different circumstances. The chances are he'll be transferred to Central Mental Hospital when he's 18 and be effectively serving a life sentence in there. An incredibly tragic case altogether.


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    #6216
    Scotty #
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    Can the leniency of the sentences be appealed?
    Leniency? They got pretty much the max allowable under law.


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    #6217
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    They boys will do their time handed down by the judge on behalf of the state. Naming these two will cause public outrage and their innocent families will be targeted. They don't deserve that.

    How are things up there on your high horse?


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    #6218
    TallGlass2
    Registered Users Posts: 685 ✭✭✭TallGlass2


    What a sick and twisted pair of ****s.

    Courts falling over themselves protecting this pair, they don't deserve it and they don't deserve any sort of review either.

    As a society we need to review our justice system, do we want a system that gives more respect to the perpetrators or more respect to the victims of crime. I want the latter, if it means more paying more tax to have these two locked up for the rest of their days then I am all for it.


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    #6219
    Scotty #
    Registered Users Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Everyone locally or in Ireland who has an Internet connection know who the families and boys are.

    Ana has no rights anymore.

    These boys do.

    That's wrong.

    The anonymity is really more about the (innocent) relatives of the boys than the boys themselves.


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    #6220
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    What is a "life" sentence in this case?


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    #6221
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,856 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    No, they do not. Educate yourself on our laws.

    That's just bullshit trying to convince yourself you know more than you do. Educate yourself more like

    They can't be named because the judge decided so. It was in his ability to allow them to be named now or at 18. He chose it. It's not an actual law.


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    #6222
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Imagine people being outraged by a teenager getting sexually assaulted and murdered. Then getting outraged about our joke of a justice system and sentencing.

    Shame on us.


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    #6223
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    riemann wrote: »
    How are things up there on your high horse?
    No high horse here.

    While our sentences are lenient in this country, thankfully our laws go some way to protect innocent people from further distress.


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    #6224
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    mloc123 wrote: »
    What is a "life" sentence in this case?
    anything from a minimum of 12 years up to until the day he dies.


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    #6225
    DellyBelly
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    I'm surprised by Boy B sentence. I thought it would be max 10 years. I think that will be appealed


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    #6226
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,856 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    mloc123 wrote: »
    What is a "life" sentence in this case?


    life is always life, no?

    Even when people get released it's always on licence.

    I would imagine that it's the same in this case even though it is the case of a juvenile.


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    #6227
    manbitesdog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭manbitesdog


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    life is always life, no?

    Even when people get released it's always on licence.

    I would imagine that it's the same in this case even though it is the case of a juvenile.

    I *think* the review is intended to revisit the original sentence and could revise it.


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    #6228
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    That's just bullshit trying to convince yourself you know more than you do. Educate yourself more like

    They can't be named because the judge decided so. It was in his ability to allow them to be named now or at 18. He chose it. It's not an actual law.
    Cannot name them now as they are minors. The judge is and was merely reinforcing this due to the baying mob of keyboard warriors.


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    #6229
    [Deleted User]
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    Donald Trump wrote: »
    life is always life, no?

    Even when people get released it's always on licence.

    I would imagine that it's the same in this case even though it is the case of a juvenile.

    But what does license mean?


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    #6230
    Scotty #
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    DellyBelly wrote: »
    I'm surprised by Boy B sentence. I thought it would be max 10 years. I think that will be appealed
    The fact that BOy B still proclaims his innocence could have something to do with it.


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    #6231
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    I'm surprised by Boy B sentence. I thought it would be max 10 years. I think that will be appealed

    he was convicted of murder. he's lucky to get 15


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    #6232
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Charles Leclerc wrote: »
    Cannot name them now as they are minors. The judge is and was merely reinforcing this due to the baying mob of keyboard warriors.


    Where were Ana's rights?

    Would you not agree that our sentencing is not fir for purpose when it comes to such cases?


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    #6233
    Riskymove
    Registered Users Posts: 10,889 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    But what does license mean?

    if you get into further trouble after release you can be put back in prison


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    #6234
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    life is always life, no?

    Even when people get released it's always on licence.

    I would imagine that it's the same in this case even though it is the case of a juvenile.

    I thought life in Ireland was really just 20-25 years?


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    #6235
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Are these scumbags entitled to remission for good behaviour? Do they get that for murder?


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    #6236
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    It's ironic that the ones who bray most loudly for the perpetrators to be named are also the ones who who ensure such a requirement is warranted.


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    #6237
    White lighting
    Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭White lighting


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Are these scumbags entitled to remission for good behaviour? Do they get that for murder?


    No, not on a life sentence for boy A. He will serve minimum 12.

    Boy B may get remission after his 8 year review if he isnt released after the 8 years


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    #6238
    Charles Leclerc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 98 ✭✭Charles Leclerc


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Where were Ana's rights?

    Would you not agree that our sentencing is not fir for purpose when it comes to such cases?

    Ana's family are not at risk of retribution.

    I think today's outcome was satisfactory, to be honest. I expected a lot worse, especially in the case of Boy B. Shocked at his sentence, didn't think he'd get more than 10.

    Yesterdays case of the boy who attempted to murder a woman and got 11 years, reviewed after 5. Now that's an national outrage. This lad is a proven psychopath. This case didn't get 5% of the coverage of Ana's case so it went pretty much unnoticed.

    The media influence on this country's thinking is massive.


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    #6239
    [Deleted User]
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    Riskymove wrote: »
    if you get into further trouble after release you can be put back in prison

    Is that it?

    So you can head to the pub whenever you want, go to the shops, browse the internet to your hearts content. Get a job, start a family under a new name so they don’t even have to know who you really are?

    Licence means normal life if that’s the case.


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    #6240
    White lighting
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Is that it?

    So you can head to the pub whenever you want, go to the shops, browse the internet to your hearts content. Get a job, start a family under a new name so they don’t even have to know who you really are?

    Licence means normal life if that’s the case.


    There are also certain condition you have to abide by.


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    #6241
    Letwin_Larry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    will they serve this time in a proper prison, or in some quasi-secure child minding facility?


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