Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

BattleCorp

mloc123 wrote: »

I thought life in Ireland was really just 20-25 years?

That's when you are convicted of the crime when you are an adult. In reality life for people who commit crimes when they are underage tends to be a lot less.

Riskymove

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

will they serve this time in a proper prison, or in some quasi-secure child minding facility?

they will move to an adult prison at 18

AllForIt

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1105/1088699-kriegel-sentencing/

But he said sentences must be proportionate not only to the crime but to the offender. Children must be treated differently from adults, he said, and age was a substantial mitigating factor.

I don't believe this myself in relation to crimes of such seriousness, lesser crimes I'd agree with, not all though. I think those involved in knives crime in London or anywhere for example should be treated like adults. The priority should never be rehabilitation but protecting the public now and into the future.

White lighting

White lighting wrote: »

There are also certain condition you have to abide by.

What are the conditions?

Donnielighto

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

will they serve this time in a proper prison, or in some quasi-secure child minding facility?

Presumably they'll be in an underage facility until they are of age.

Donald Trump

mloc123 wrote: »

I thought life in Ireland was really just 20-25 years?

You're confusing the sentence with the time physically served in prison

riemann

Donald Trump wrote: »

You're confusing the sentence with the time physically served in prison

Crazy world that they are different.

jiltloop

DellyBelly wrote: »

I'm surprised by Boy B sentence. I thought it would be max 10 years. I think that will be appealed

I don't think he has any case to appeal, he was integral to the planning of the murder and lured her to boy A knowing what was in store for her, he may not have been physically involved in the moments of her assault and death but without him it wouldn't have happened. On top of all that he did not cooperate with the investigation and lied and covered up throughout.

Letwin_Larry

definitely one of the most shocking, (if not the most) murders in our history.
on a par with the Jamie Bolger case imo.
that poor girl. RIP

KWAG2019

mloc123 wrote: »

What is a "life" sentence in this case?

Average 18 years. Not taking into account day releases prior to final release.

Omackeral

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Reviewed after 8 so he could possibly be out then?

Why can’t they say ****ing 15 and mean 15! This review **** boils my blood.

There's automatic remission in this country. Anytime anyone gets 4 years, it's really 3 that they serve. 10 years is 7.5 years etc.

As for fuming over "only 12 years" "12 ffs", well it's 12 until a review. Ordinarily it's 7 for a review. So it's an increase on the norm.

I think the Judge has done well here.

RoryMac

mloc123 wrote: »

I thought life in Ireland was really just 20-25 years?

The judge said that the average time served for an adult sentenced to life is 18 years

Kauto0709

The amount of protection those murderers have received is a disgrace. It doesn't matter how old they are....they are murderers pure and simple and should be treated as such.

c.p.w.g.w

Concurrent sentences should only be allowed if a full confession is provided and the victims family agree IMO...makes a mockery of any sense of justice

Riskymove

RoryMac wrote: »

The judge said that the average time served for an adult sentenced to life is 18 years

but each case is individual, there are people in jail over 30 years

Omackeral

Eric Cartman wrote: »

And the automatic 1/3 remission too

Automatic 1/4. One third is quite rare and is never automatic.

Charles Leclerc

Kauto0709 wrote: »

The amount of protection those murderers have received is a disgrace. It doesn't matter how old they are....they are murderers pure and simple and should be treated as such.

Their innocent families deserve protection.

My eldest daughter is 26 and having the time of her life. Ana will never get to experience all the wonderful things my daughter has.

Boy B though - he could be out at 26 and with a new identity could do all the things with his life that my daughter does.

Where’s the justice in that?

Omackeral

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Concurrent sentencing is a ****ing joke and needs to be gotten rid of. Consecutive sentencing needs to be be brought in here quickly.

Agreed. Inmates openly mock the system on their way to court saying "they'll get the charge ran in" ie have it dealt with concurrently.

It's basically commit one crime, get the next one free. Sure you might as well.

sbsquarepants

They're far worse than just murderers - there are plenty of "valid" reasons for killing someone, they didn't have one, they just done it for kicks.

These pair are just dangerous psychotic scum, they should never see the light of day as far as i'm concerned. They aren't fixable and their rights should be the very bottom of the priority list - societies right to be protected from them should be top.

Letwin_Larry

Kauto0709 wrote: »

The amount of protection those murderers have received is a disgrace. It doesn't matter how old they are....they are murderers pure and simple and should be treated as such.

i agree. they have shown little or no remorse, and as such deserve no special treatment or protection.

not only are they murderers but they are child-murderers.
Ana was only 14.

retro:electro

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Cannot name them now as they are minors. The judge is and was merely reinforcing this due to the baying mob of keyboard warriors.

I’m sorry but Ana was also a minor. And where was the protection for her dignity and private information when the most descriptive and depraved details of her last moments of life were blasted across the nation for weeks. Let’s not forget who was on trial here, and it was not Ana. Where were her rights to privacy? Oh that’s right, they cease to exist once she’s no longer alive, through no fault of her own. Yet the evil little shlts who are responsible for taking it get treated with kid gloves for the remainder of theirs.

I can get on board with anonymity until release, but I just cannot accept that they have the luxury of starting afresh and forming relationships with people who should have the benefit of knowing who they are. My only hope is that in the interim years there will be some law that’s capable of challenging this decision that only seeks to protect the perpetrator.

radiotrickster

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

My eldest daughter is 26 and having the time of her life. Ana will never get to experience all the wonderful things my daughter has.

Boy B though - he could be out at 26 and with a new identity could do all the things with his life that my daughter does.

Where’s the justice in that?

I’m in my 20s and thought the exact same thing. Only saving grace is that it’ll be tough when he gets out to explain the gaps in his CV and education. They can do a Leaving Cert in Oberstown (not sure what school he can write on his CV to say he attended) but if he does the Leaving at 18, he’ll have a six year gap and a criminal record. It won’t be easy unless his family are very supportive in getting him back on his feet.

Gadgetman496

The murder of Ana Kriégel - how the case was solved.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1105/1088782-ana-kriegel/

BarryD2

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Their innocent families deserve protection.

Why? People & families are routinely named in court case reports up and down the country. Why should these convicted prisoners and their families be afforded protection from identification into the future? Why is it good enough normally but not here?

sbsquarepants

retro:electro wrote: »

I can get on board with anonymity until release, but I just cannot accept that they have the luxury of starting afresh and forming relationships with people who should have the benefit of knowing who they are. My only hope is that in the interim years there will be some law that’s capable of challenging this decision that only seeks to protect the perpetrator.

I'm all in favour of anonymity while the case is in progress, but once they are found guilty that should be all out the window. Why should this pair of sickos get to hide from their deeds, fúck them. There was no anonymity for Ana, or for her family. They are the important ones here.

Sharp MZ700

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Their innocent families deserve protection.

My innocent daughter deserves protection too.

Marty Xavier

Yes you are right to feel outrage but that is the way it goes. These killers have wrecked not only Ana's life but their own and their families too.
I believe their identities leaked at some stage so I would imagine that their families are already pariahs locally.
This case is terrible and I feel so badly for Ana's parents and struggle to think about what she went through.
I have no idea the pain that was caused but know that as a parent it must be devastating.
The use of video games here and the easy access to pornograhy at a young age is certainly a contributing factor IMO.

Letwin_Larry

retro:electro wrote: »

I’m sorry but Ana was also a minor. And where was the protection for her dignity and private information when the most descriptive and depraved details of her last moments of life were blasted across the nation for weeks. Let’s not forget who was on trial here, and it was not Ana. Where were her rights to privacy? Oh that’s right, they cease to exist once she’s no longer alive, through no fault of her own. Yet the evil little shlts who are responsible for taking it get treated with kid gloves for the remainder of theirs.

I can get on board with anonymity until release, but I just cannot accept that they have the luxury of starting afresh and forming relationships with people who should have the benefit of knowing who they are. My only hope is that in the interim years there will be some law that’s capable of challenging this decision that only seeks to protect the perpetrator.

the UK (if the Tories are re-elected that is) are about to introduce some pretty serious sentencing for killers of children. i really hope we follow their example.

it's one thing killing someone in a fit of drug/drink feuled rage on a Sat night, or a gangland hit over drugs or money, but this murder was on a whole different level. cold, calculating, calice, carried out with a degree of satisfaction, almost pleasure.

sbsquarepants

radiotrickster wrote: »

I’m in my 20s and thought the exact same thing. Only saving grace is that it’ll be tough when he gets out to explain the gaps in his CV and education. They can do a Leaving Cert in Oberstown (not sure what school he can write on his CV to say he attended) but if he does the Leaving at 18, he’ll have a six year gap and a criminal record. It won’t be easy unless his family are very supportive in getting him back on his feet.

Do you not think that, you know, what with being a psychotic little cúnt and all, he'd probably just tell a porkie pie or two?