Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Donald Trump

marieholmfan wrote: »

it's literally in the Children's act.

No it's not.

You are confusing two things.
1) Normally, you cannot name a minor convicted of an offense
2) Normally, juvenile offenses can be expunged at 18.

However the later does not apply for serious crimes.

Marty Xavier

tigger123 wrote: »

There's hundreds of millions of people playing video games every day that don't do things like Boy A did. I'd stroingly suspect if he didn't play video games, he still would have done what he did.

I'm sure Boy A also ate breakfast cereal that morning. Should we also ban breakfast cereal?

Maybe he would but there is a chance that it did affect him also, I am bringing this up because it was mentioned in the case that he was obsessed with violence in gaming and violent porn also. I am not advocating a banning but minors should not have access to this.

The breakfast comment is ridiculous.

Donnielighto

Do people want there to be no difference between child and adult laws? That shouldn't be done on a case by case basis.

Donald Trump

salmocab wrote: »

Because as an adult people blame him solely but you only have to look at some of the posts here to see people saying they raised them thinking it was okay to do this.

The same people could come to the same conclusion if it was an 18 year old (or 28 year old) who committed the offence.

Letwin_Larry

Marty Xavier wrote: »

Children with violent or hostile dispositions can be negatively affected by violent video games. This has to be a factor in this case. So maybe instead of calling me a clown and an idiot you might not jump to conclusions and name calling and consider a different point of view.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/191171.php

interesting article. but the 3 traits highlighted,

"high neuroticism (e.g., easily upset, angry, depressed, emotional, etc.), low agreeableness (e.g., little concern for others, indifferent to others feelings, cold, etc.) and low conscientiousness (e.g., break rules, don't keep promises, act without thinking, etc.)."

strike me as genetic dispositions. if the video game doesn't make the little fecker do it, then no doubt these well intentioned psychologists/apologists will find some other "outside factor" to blame/excuse their actions. eg poor diet, ill-fitting shoes, acne, lack of social mobility. take yer pick.

Marty Xavier

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I have easy access to both video games and porn, have done for donkey years, so do you.

I haven't raped and killed many schoolgirls though, have you?

Similarly an entire lifetime of easy access to knives hasn't caused me to stab anyone.

So how many is not many?

Omackeral

Kauto0709 wrote: »

Innocent families?? They raised those scumbags!

If my brother killed someone that doesn't make me guilty much the same as if your brother killed someone it doesn't make you guilty. You are not your brother's keeper. It's not as simple as that always.

It's stuff like this why anonymity is afforded to the killers.

Obviously and rightly peoples thoughts and sympathies are for Ana and her parents but I would have a degree of sympathy for the siblings of A and B at the very least.

Letwin_Larry

Omackeral wrote: »

If my brother killed someone that doesn't make me guilty much the same as if your brother killed someone it doesn't make you guilty. You are not your brother's keeper. It's not as simple as that always.

It's stuff like this why anonymity is afforded to the killers.

Obviously and rightly peoples thoughts and sympathies are for Ana and her parents but I would have a degree of sympathy for the siblings of A and B at the very least.

i have young children, and i would like to be informed if they moved into my area.
those little killers didn't land from outer space. they are either genetically malformed and/or have been brought up to have no empathy for other living things/people.

TheMilkyPirate

Marty Xavier wrote: »

Children with violent or hostile dispositions can be negatively affected by violent video games. This has to be a factor in this case. So maybe instead of calling me a clown and an idiot you might not jump to conclusions and name calling and consider a different point of view. Again I will repeat that easy access to porn for a minor is troubling also. This is the world we live in, I have no problem with video games and I have played alot but I see kids playing 18 rated games where misogyny and brutal violence are commonplace and explicit.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/191171.php

So it wasn't the video games then, it was the violent and hostile dispositions that they already harbor.

I would be in favour of enforced sterilisation of these two.

No way should they be allowed to propogate their evil genes.

take everything

retro:electro wrote: »

To think that these two could pick up where they left off in their mid twenties and start dating some poor, non the wiser young girl is just terrifying. They still have their whole lives to live at that age.

This is the stark reality of the situation.
And its a serious failure of the system.
I do think they should be named when they're 18.

Letwin_Larry

Deleted User wrote: »

I would be in favour of enforced sterilisation of these two.

No way should they be allowed to propogate their evil genes.

i think that's taking it a tad too far, but people should have a right to know where these people and their families are. the state has a constitutional duty to protect its' citizenry.

salmocab

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I would be in favour of enforced sterilisation of these two.

No way should they be allowed to propogate their evil genes.

Evil genes? So maybe their siblings should suffer it too. This is the sort of reactionary nonsense that stops real debate.

skallywag

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

...but people should have a right to know where these people and their families are.

Why are you including their families?

Guy:Incognito

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Are you saying their families purposefully raised their children to be murderers?

No, but when you look at gangs of 20-30 young kids from 12 up spending 7 days a week hanging around causing trouble (proper criminal trouble, attacking people, smashing windows, harassing businesses) in towns around the country till half 10 at night (using clondalkin village as an example) , theres a severe lack of parenting going on.

Chucking a kid out the door every day and not seeing them till 11 o'clock at night for their whole teenage years isnt raising them.

Marty Xavier

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

So it wasn't the video games then, it was the violent and hostile dispositions that they already harbor.

The articles states that those with pre-existing violent and hostile dispostions are suscptible to such violent media.

Letwin_Larry

salmocab wrote: »

Evil genes? So maybe their siblings should suffer it too. This is the sort of reactionary nonsense that stops real debate.

ok "evil genes" is melodramatic, but you have to concede there is definitely something wrong with those little scrotes.

or do you subscribe to "the video game made me do it" school of psychology?

mariaalice

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I have easy access to both video games and porn, have done for donkey years, so do you.

I haven't raped and killed many schoolgirls though, have you?

Similarly an entire lifetime of easy access to knives hasn't caused me to stab anyone.

The... it did not affect me so therefore it has no affect on anybody agrument.

BENDYBINN

Strange, if an adult had committed the same murder there wouldn’t be half as much fuss. They’re are only kids for gods sake....

Mantis Toboggan

Concurrent sentences should not be allowed, absolute farce. These boys will be out before they're 30.

Donnielighto

Marty Xavier wrote: »

Maybe he would but there is a chance that it did affect him also, I am bringing this up because it was mentioned in the case that he was obsessed with violence in gaming and violent porn also. I am not advocating a banning but minors should not have access to this.

The breakfast comment is ridiculous.

So is the game comment.

mdol

The little pricks got off too lightly. Even with the entirety of their sentences being run they'll be out in their relative youth. I hope however the sentence is akin to an eternity and they'll both be on the receiving end of what they so thoroughly deserve on a daily basis.

*****.

take everything

Charles Leclerc wrote: »

Cannot name them now as they are minors. The judge is and was merely reinforcing this due to the baying mob of keyboard warriors.

Would you be ok with boy A marrying your daughter or sister in 15 years time. And not knowing about his past.

Squiggle

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Well Done to the judge

I'm horrified that Boy A got an 8 year concurrent sentence for the violent sexual assault on Ana. Without consecutive sentencing being applied Boy A effectively remains unpunished for part of this heinous crime.

splinter65

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Strange, if an adult had committed the same murder there wouldn’t be half as much fuss. They’re are only kids for gods sake....

You picked a thread about the murder of a child to troll? Really?

BattleCorp

mariaalice wrote: »

The... it did not affect me so therefore it has no affect on anybody agrument.

The video game industry is now larger than the music and movie industry combined.

If video games caused people to commit violent crimes we'd have far more murders than we currently have.

People are always looking for something to blame rather than blaming the individual. Some people are just bad.

Letwin_Larry

i recall at the time these same psychologist types tried to blame/excuse the Jamie Bolger killers also.
i think they narrowed it down to one kids video (sorry on Ninetendos or Gameboys in those days). such pseudo-science has much to answer for.
i forget the name but i'm sure many of you know what it's called.

Donnielighto

mariaalice wrote: »

The... it did not affect me so therefore it has no affect on anybody agrument.

Is there any correlation between the popularity of videogames and crimes, volent or otherwise. If not then this it's scapegoating an easy target.

BENDYBINN

splinter65 wrote: »

You picked a thread about the murder of a child to troll? Really?

An eleven yr old murdered in limerick yesterday.....Will there be over 6000 posts about whoever is responsible?

Charles Leclerc

take everything wrote: »

This is the stark reality of the situation.
And its a serious failure of the system.
I do think they should be named when they're 18.

What exactly will that achieve?

It will only serve to put their families in danger as the boys will be just at the start of their sentences.