Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

is_that_so

francie81 wrote: »

When Ana’s parents say ‘forever is not long enough’ are they hinting at capital punishment a life for a life sort of thing I wonder?
Regardless how horrifying this must of being for them.

They've lost a child so it will be forever for them. Any comment they make reflects that pain.

Letwin_Larry

is_that_so wrote: »

Apart from the US and some very rare cases in the UK it doesn't mean natural life anywhere but it is a sentence served. I'd expect them to change identity and move away once they have served those sentences. I do think it is dreadful that their moment of savagery destroyed the life they took and their own lives.

personally i would have no problem if they left them rot for the next 50 years.
that poor child is never coming back.

sbsquarepants

Marty Xavier wrote: »

So how many is not many?

Precisely zero. I'm assuming you have a similar tally?

mariaalice wrote: »

The... it did not affect me so therefore it has no affect on anybody agrument.

As opposed to the sicko does something sick and blames it on "X" argument?

Video games do not turn normal people into sadistic killers. Porn doesn't turn normal people into rapists.
It's as idiotic a suggestion as making Larry Murphy watch a few chick flicks might make him see the error of his ways and turn him into an auld romantic.

There were rapists and sadistic killers long before there were any video games or porn. Some people are just scum, it's innate.

is_that_so

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

I wouldn't call it a moment of savagery. A calculated murder thought out by 2 bullying psychopaths.

And their own lives aren't destroyed. They have an anonymous clean-slated future ahead of them.

They have lost all of their teens and will lose a good chunk of their twenties to incarceration. That's not a clean slate. Anonymity doesn't guarantee anything they will be marked for what they did.

is_that_so

punisher5112 wrote: »

Wonder what these two outstanding fcukwits will be like when they're out.

Poor young girl it's such a sad case and I think our laws are so outdated and favour the scum bags we actually need change.

How? This case is not useful for precedent, given how extremely unusual, legally speaking, the facts are.

Letwin_Larry

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Precisely zero. I'm assuming you have a similar tally?



As opposed to the sicko does something sick and blames it on "X" argument?

Video games do not turn normal people into sadistic killers. Porn doesn't turn normal people into rapists.
It's as idiotic a suggestion as making Larry Murphy watch a few chick flicks might make him see the error of his ways and turn him into an auld romantic.

There were rapists and sadistic killers long before there were any video games or porn. Some people are just scum, it's innate.

ya here's more psycho-babble nonsense excuses for scumbag killers & rapists,

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/my-brain-made-me-do-it-is-becoming-a-more-common-criminal-defense/

francie81

is_that_so wrote: »

They've lost a child so it will be forever for them. Any comment they make reflects that pain.

Was thinking that so just their way of expressing it so long as they live.

rob316

Some people wouldn't be happy unless the kids were executed. Its about what I expected sentence wise.

is_that_so

rob316 wrote: »

Some people wouldn't be happy unless the kids were executed. Its about what I expected sentence wise.

They will have spent half their natural lives in detention by the time they get out.

Lefty Bicek

is_that_so wrote: »

They will have spent half their natural lives in detention by the time they get out.

That now, is really a quite manipulative use of language.

airy fairy

Will their names be protected after being transferred to adult prison at 18?
Or is there something somewhere saying the judge has ruled that they remain nameless...what about when they get out? Has that or will that be addressed?

is_that_so

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

That now, is really a quite manipulative use of language.

It's both simple maths and factual.

brendanwalsh

Their pictures were plastered all over Twitter , probably stil viewable

Eric Cartman

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Their pictures were plastered all over Twitter , probably stil viewable

That picture isnt them.

Hal3000

There is no way they can ever be totally anonymous in Ireland. Unless we all forget, if not they’ll probably have to leave the country once released.

Suckit

is_that_so wrote: »

It's both simple maths and factual.

Given that they're 15 and half of their natural life is 7½ years, they may spend more than that.

But if either of them commit suicide then it could be significantly more.

Riesen_Meal

The Gemma O Doherty thread is probably this way ->

retro:electro

rob316 wrote: »

Some people wouldn't be happy unless the kids were executed. Its about what I expected sentence wise.

I don’t want them to be executed, what would be the point in that? It’s not too much to ask for to want a reasonable sentence to be applied, and actually I think the sentences handed down are appropriate and given some shambolic sentences in this country, could have been a lot more lenient. The issue I, and most others have is the fact that they will never be publicly named and will have the protection of anonymity for the rest of their lives despite being part of one of the most, if not the most barbaric and unfathomable murder the state as ever seen. That doesn’t seem reasonable to me.

Protection for minors once they are minors is fair enough, but once you are 18 that protection should cease.

Faugheen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

cheek of you

you say "dont name them" and hint at some issues with "other kids" that you refuse to clarify.

then you are challenged that not naming them actually raises significantly the seeming likelihood of other kids being put at risk.

then you claim that your position is so self-evident that it's a waste of your time to have it questioned?

youre a character.

care to actually set out any of what you meant in your post, because I'm as well to tell you it was as clear as mud.

You identify them, you identify the school and with it people who were in their class who had nothing to do with this but are put under the microscope anyway.

Not rocket science.

Suckit

Was it reported if both boys parents were in court today?

Letwin_Larry

Fieldog wrote: »

My colleagues brother has kids in their class, we saw class pics of them ages ago, normal looking Irish children...

Killers, even serial killers dont have horns and a long tail. they look totally normal. that's the scary thing.

now what's goin on in their brains ......

squirmin' like a toad perhaps?

is_that_so

Suckit wrote: »

Given that they're 15 and half of their natural life is 7½ years, they may spend more than that.

But if either of them commit suicide then it could be significantly more.

I mean by the end of their sentences, in their twenties. From their perspective it's a very long time. I think the judge probably got the sentence about right with all that had to be taken into account.

LordBasil

Sentences seem appropriate. I hope Boy A rots in prison for a long time.

I think keeping their identities concealed is also done to protect their families from vigilante attacks or discrimation.

Hannibal_Smith

retro:electro wrote: »

I don’t want them to be executed, what would be the point in that? It’s not too much to ask for to want a reasonable sentence to be applied, and actually I think the sentences handed down are appropriate and given some shambolic sentences in this country, could have been a lot more lenient. The issue I, and most others have is the fact that they will never be publicly named and will have the protection of anonymity for the rest of their lives despite being part of one of the most, if not the most barbaric and unfathomable murder the state as ever seen. That doesn’t seem reasonable to me.

Protection for minors once they are minors is fair enough, but once you are 18 that protection should cease.

I don't really want to know who they are. Ana and her parents are the ones who are directly affected by what they did and they've faced them and told them the suffering they've brought to them and their daughter.

Any protection offered by anonymity is for their families, not for them.

They've got their punishment, I've no further interest in them only to hope that they develop some sense in years to come and are completely thwarted by what they did.

KWAG2019

Mr Kriégel said: "Justice has been served for Ana. The judge has decided on the sentence, that duty lies with him alone.

He said: "for our part, we can only say that forever is not long enough.

"Please remember Ana and keep her in your hearts somewhere."

tayto lover

Delighted with the sentences today, was expecting less.

These boys will have a long time in custody to think about their horrible violent crime. I really hope it drags. Two animals are now caged.

Well done to the Judge.

Sandor Clegane

I really don't see how anyone could advocate anything other than life without the possibility of parole, it bothers me when I hear or read something saying they got life...they didn't get life, nothing near it.

Our judicial system is weak and needs an overhaul, these monsters will be out in a few years with a clean slate, a fresh start...free to mingle and mix with the rest of the public again.

What happens when/if they form a relationship? some poor unsuspecting woman may have kids with them, or introduce them to kids she may already have...to me a system that would take such a risk with two people who have committed such a crime is sick.

I don't care if they are 13, there are somethings you just can't come back from and this is one and then some.

Hal3000

I’m not blaming anyone here, but I think a big issue is parents letting phones raise their children. Teens with their heads buried for hours in endless streams of information, gore and most of the time pornography. Our job doesn’t finish until their 18. Kids need to be watched and motivated and most importantly disciplined. Parents need to apply restrictions and just say turn it off now and take the bloody thing away..Of course some are just born evil - neurological imbalance etc, but this whole new parenting approach of handing them a phone and walking away is not working.

JPF82

LordBasil wrote: »

Sentences seem appropriate. I hope Boy A rots in prison for a long time.

I think keeping their identities concealed is also done to protect their families from vigilante attacks or discrimation.

From what I have heard vigilante attacks have occurred. Older brother of one of of the boys regularly gets beaten up. A gang of lads where the culprits just last week. Feel so sorry for the brother having to put up with that. I know one of his friends but not him so that's where my info is from.

Mr E

thechewyone wrote: »

And like I said, that is not what I have been hearing on whatsapp, fb etc so with all respect, I cannot accept your assurances. Something very fishy is afoot here.

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