Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

knucklehead6

juno10353 wrote: »

Boy B has appealed the guilty verdict. I believe that to do so there has to be specific grounds eg judge giving wrong advice to jury, new evidence, etc. If the grounds are accepted then the appeal can go forward. What happens then?

Either way I’d say this thread will get locked

Gadgetman496

juno10353 wrote: »

Boy B has appealed the guilty verdict. I believe that to do so there has to be specific grounds eg judge giving wrong advice to jury, new evidence, etc. If the grounds are accepted then the appeal can go forward. What happens then?

I'm not sure but it may be reviewed by a panel of judges?

171170

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

I'm not sure but it may be reviewed by a panel of judges?

Or possibly go to a re-trial. More fun for Ana's suffering parents - he really is a piece of crap. Of course his lawyers don't really care whether he wins or not as either way, they'll be paid their fees.

Patrick2010

171170 wrote: »

Or possibly go to a re-trial. More fun for Ana's suffering parents - he really is a piece of crap. Of course his lawyers don't really care whether he wins or not as either way, they'll be paid their fees.

Can’t go a retrial just because they didn’t like the initial verdict, has to be because there was something wrong with how the first trial was carried out . Like evidence allowed that should not have been or the judges direction.

171170

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Can’t go a retrial just because they didn’t like the initial verdict, has to be because there was something wrong with how the first trial was carried out . Like evidence allowed that should not have been or the judges direction.

I know that. Doesn't change what I wrote, i.e. that one possible outcome of the appeal would be a re-trial!

Gadgetman496

171170 wrote: »

I know that. Doesn't change what I wrote, i.e. that one possible outcome of the appeal would be a re-trial!

Ain't going to happen.

Emme

Emme wrote: »

Why can't this scum (Boy A and Boy be named and shamed?

They can.

Patrick2010

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Can’t go a retrial just because they didn’t like the initial verdict, has to be because there was something wrong with how the first trial was carried out . Like evidence allowed that should not have been or the judges direction.

Or new evidence. Which he can introduce whenever he likes as he held back so much from the initial trial. The 'I was just a really scared kid' line is hard to argue with when you're dealing with a 13 year old in a murder trial. He obviously didn't expect the murder conviction, so now is going to tell a different story. That story might be the truth. Or it might be a lie.

tuxy

Deleted User wrote: »

Or new evidence. Which he can introduce whenever he likes as he held back so much from the initial trial. The 'I was just a really scared kid' line is hard to argue with when you're dealing with a 13 year old in a murder trial. He obviously didn't expect the murder conviction, so now is going to tell a different story. That story might be the truth. Or it might be a lie.

I understand that an appeal can be made in light of new evidence. But can it be permitted when that evidence was deliberately withheld by the person on trial?

volchitsa

tuxy wrote: »

I understand that an appeal can be made in light of new evidence. But can it be permitted when that evidence was deliberately withheld by the person on trial?

Good question. It's hard to see how it could really help him, he pled not guilty first time, so if he failed to provide the evidence then, it's hard to see how it could be so convincing that it would make a jury find him not guilty second time around - and if he failed the second time, would he provide another version and have yet another go?

OTOH, how much extra leeway does his young age get him? Quite a lot I think.

gozunda

Faugheen wrote: »

https://open.spotify.com/show/423eOUseAmEqJNYTKFiVOx?si=AbEEpcaVQH6X2vEgig5Vww

It’s on the Newstalk website somewhere too I’d imagine

Here:

https://www.newstalk.com/news/justice-for-ana-three-part-podcast-series-ana-kriegel-trial-923214

Vicarious Function

Maybe he could explain the real reason why he took the builder's tape from his father's shed and explain why he gave it to boy A.

tuxy

Could he get a harsher sentence if the appeal finds he had an even greater part in it?
I know it won't happen but technically possible?

n97 mini

tuxy wrote: »

Could he get a harsher sentence if the appeal finds he had an even greater part in it?
I know it won't happen but technically possible?

No. The conviction and sentence are dealt with seperately. The only way the sentence could be increased is if the DPP appeals it.

Mr E

Mod: Nonsense rumour deleted.

mrjoneill

White lighting wrote: »

Hes appealing the conviction and not the sentence so cant get it increased. he is more than entitled to appeal it too. I am surprised it took so long to be honest. Was very surprised he was found guilty in the first place.

Your entitled to your opinion like I will express mine.
I think he was a little smart ass that thought he was far too smart for the rest of us mortals. He led another kid to her death knowing full well what was in store for her or a serious sexual assault. I have already outlined in previous post why I feel he did the crime, he should now do the time.

B.A._Baracus

Boy B to appeal conviction for murder of Ana Kriegel

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/boy-b-to-appeal-conviction-for-murder-of-ana-kriegel/ar-BBZ3XJf?ocid=spartanntp

Been reading up more about this case since I read that. Those boys... my god. Burn them.

punisher5112

Absolute physcopaths....

suicide_circus

unless he has some unknown ace up his sleeve he hasnt a snowballs chance in hell.

punisher5112

suicide_circus wrote: »

unless he has some unknown ace up his sleeve he hasnt a snowballs chance in hell.

Well I certainly hope not.

I get people fight and boys especially throw punches etc but this is pure evil what they done.

Nuts to think 2 13 year olds could even think let alone actually take action of these thoughts.

bazermc

So can we take it that Boy A will not be appealing now?

tuxy

bazermc wrote: »

So can we take it that Boy A will not be appealing now?

There is forensic evidence linking him the crime. His only hope was that the Garda or prosecution made a big mistake and it would appear they did not.

punisher5112

tuxy wrote: »

There is forensic evidence linking him the crime. His only hope was that the Garda or prosecution made a big mistake and it would appear they did not.

Which is amazing as unfortunately they can be quite sloppy to be honest.

You need people that actually do their job and do it well.

Caquas

punisher5112 wrote: »

Which is amazing as unfortunately they can be quite sloppy to be honest.

You need people that actually do their job and do it well.

In fairness, the Gardai seemed to do an outstanding job on this case.

It would have been easy for them to use forensics to convict Boy A but they saw that Boy B was up to his neck in this horrible crime and they put the case together despite Boy B’s endless lying.

No wonder his father called the Gardai “scumbags” - he thought his son could lie his way out of it. :rolleyes:

mrjoneill

punisher5112 wrote: »

Well I certainly hope not.

I get people fight and boys especially throw punches etc but this is pure evil what they done.

Nuts to think 2 13 year olds could even think let alone actually take action of these thoughts.

It causes me a lot of bother & cant get my head around it. When I see 13yr old boys I immediately think could they be capable of such. To do such is the territory of twisted hardened criminals

Caquas

mrjoneill wrote: »

It causes me a lot of bother & cant get my head around it. When I see 13yr old boys I immediately think could they be capable of such. To do such is the territory of twisted hardened criminals

Or of teenage satanists. The media won’t lift that rock despite the evidence presented in court.

Sardonicat

Caquas wrote: »

Or of teenage satanists. The media won’t lift that rock despite the evidence presented in court.

What evidence? Are you suggesting there was other evidence presented that wasn't reported or are you putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5?

Bobtheman

My heart goes out to her parents. My heart goes out to the two young boys who will live with this case. Their parents. Their sentences

We can talk about what needs to be done etc
But there is a darkness within human beings. That spills out even in civilised society.
You are better off not trying to figure it out.
It's just there.
This will happen again. It's rare thank God
If only we got so outraged over child poverty

Bobtheman

Sardonicat wrote: »

What evidence? Are you suggesting there was other evidence presented that wasn't reported or are you putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5?

Kids are often attracted to the demonic because of the bull**** they are peddled by society. If only we would seriously cherish children. Connaught rugby club got 20 million. A pilot scheme to give deprived kids free books for school got 1m
If you vote FF or FG that's what you approve

Sardonicat

Bobtheman wrote: »

Kids are often attracted to the demonic because of the bull**** they are peddled by society. If only we would seriously cherish children. Connaught rugby club got 20 million. A pilot scheme to give deprived kids free books for school got 1m
If you vote FF or FG that's what you approve

I'm asking what evidence was presented in court to support that claim