Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Stop moaning ffs

optogirl wrote: »

Surely this was more likely to have been defensive wounds from Ana?

Hadn’t read the full report when I posted. but that seems likely.

But it is odd he and his father were walking near enough by when the gardai searching came across them.

I don’t have kids but what 13 year old goes for a walk with his da? especially one internet obsessed and fond of fvcked up videos about torture?

Something doesn’t add up.

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

you think them being in a .00001% strengthens your argument

and that last line is also ridiculous.

pornography has existed a long long time and sadistic murder has existed a long long time and hanging an agenda on these instances will never not be lamentable behaviour.

Of course it is. One dead teenage girl having been beaten and sexually assaulted is too many. How many is enough for you, 0.01%, 1%, ten? Its churlish and obtuse of you to ignore the ubiquity of hardcore violent and demeaning porn since the advent of the internet and just shrug at the history of sadistic murder. Go and read the reports allowed today of the phones of these two creatures that was not presented in evidence, search histories of massive depravity and one of them had 5,000 porn images on it for **** sake.

Able to freely access dark corners of the internet unhindered, but too stupid and naive to wipe a smartphone after committing murder. That tells society all it needs to know.

iamwhoiam

shesty wrote: »

I actually think Boy A is the really dangerous one.He did it,consciously knew he did it, didn't try to deny it.

I am not for one second trying to clear Boy B.He saw what was happening, he ran away and he said nothing.He lied and lied and lied.To me that is the sign of someone who is a seriously weak and maybe terribly immature child.Not realising or accepting that there were going to be consequences out of what had happened?Not realising how stupid he sounded trying to lie his way through a number of Garda interviews?Running away and not teling someone what was going on, or trying to stop it?? (I can't get over that bit, how he saw it, could have stopped it, yet turned and ran??).It says an awful lot about his character and sorry, about how he has been brought up, if that is what he thinks is the way to deal with bad things.He is dangerous in a different way to me because he is weak, easily led and clearly doesn't think all that deeply (despite the intricate lying).I still think he deserves what he got, even just to open his eyes to the reality of the world and realise there are consequences for your behaviour.But boy A is the one I would consider to have fairly serious psychological problems.

But are we sure Boy B ran ? He lied about everything and every move so why believe he ran ? For all we know its another lie and maybe he cheered A on ? We don’t know

HalloweenJack

There was also something which seemed like a throwaway comment on first reading that Boy A was noticeably limping when he appeared in court the first time.

Flippyfloppy

Deleted User wrote: »

the constant linking of it to this horrific crime is ridiculous

Yes, somebody think of the violent porn makers.
Nothing to see here, it obviously has no link whatsoever to this case, in any way shape or form. Even though the murder was of a similarly violent and sexual nature. Perfectly natural for the developing brain of a child to be exposed to.

Hurrache

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I reckon that somewhere in the future our society will look back at the free internet access afforded to children of today with the same disdain that we look back on the past “culture” of mother & baby homes etc etc. Prople will be asking “How did they let that happen? Why did they give full internet search devices to children?” The future may bring restricted and supervised child-friendly information division(s) and networks on the web which cannot be linked into broader internet searches, and it may become a crime to knowingly allow a child to acquire a full internet search device. There was a time children were sent up chimneys... child protection is a work in progress.

Conflicts with the outcry over the opt in to porn with mobile and broadband providers that some people get their knickers into a knot over. Sure, it's not foolproof but it's a start.

gctest50

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Its absurd to claim there is no link. Boy A was watching extreme pornography and other things very similar to the actual crime

So if they were watching Deadpool they'd be jumping of buildings n stuff ?

"Born that way "and you can't seem to accept it looking at that post trying to explain it away

Boy B put his hands up to his face in disbelief when the hammer dropped

Boy B's father went out of the courtroom in disbelief and returned to slow-clap

It's genetics ...... ( or cr@p parenting )

HalloweenJack

iamwhoiam wrote: »

But are we sure Boy B ran ? He lied about everything and every move so why believe he ran ? For all we know its another lie and maybe he cheered A on ? We don’t know

I don't see why people are so certain that this is the height of Boy B's involvement when he repeatedly lied to the Guards and only changed his story every time they proved he was lying. He only told them what he knew he had to.

Nerdlingr

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Read that Irish Times article and found it interesting how when it was a missing persons case at the start, gardai used PULSE to find out Boy B's surname.

why is that interesting?

iamwhoiam

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Hadn’t read the full report when I posted. but that seems likely.

But it is odd he and his father were walking near enough by when the gardai searching came across them.

I don’t have kids but what 13 year old goes for a walk with his da? especially one internet obsessed and fond of fvcked up videos about torture?

Something doesn’t add up.

They weren’t going for a walk . Boy A had told his Dad he was attacked in the park earlier . The dad drove A to the park to see if he could find the “ attackers “
The dad had banged on the rangers door to inform him of the “ attack “ by two men

Stop moaning ffs

iamwhoiam wrote: »

But are we sure Boy B ran ? He lied about everything and every move so why believe he ran ? For all we know its another lie and maybe he cheered A on ? We don’t know

Boy B stood and watched the whole thing.
There was blood on his shoe was there not?

iamwhoiam

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Boy B stood and watched the whole thing.
There was blood on his shoe was there not?

There was blood on A shoes

Gatling

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Boy B stood and watched the whole thing.
There was blood on his shoe was there not?

This is what I thought or misread during the trial

Amalgam

bubblypop wrote: »

why is that interesting?

Person of interest, 'known' to them, local eh.. 'character' that the AGS might view as having the capacity to doing something odd.

spurious

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Just saw a picture of it. It looks like a small enough facility. Guess it woukd Be east enough to separate them from each other just stagger their meal times and excercise time. I was told these kids in there are free to walk around though and it’s more like a youth hall than a prison.

I have been there a few times (last time this month) and it is not true that they are free to walk around. All the doors have locks controlled by cards which only staff have.

The old Oberstown was very different to the one following the transfers from Pat's.

Sardonicat

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

iamwhoiam wrote: »

But are we sure Boy B ran ? He lied about everything and every move so why believe he ran ? For all we know its another lie and maybe he cheered A on ? We don’t know

Boy B stood and watched the whole thing.
There was blood on his shoe was there not?

No. There was blood on Boy A's shoes. No forensic to link B to the scene at all. While there was male DNA on Ana's top other than A's it was inconclusive as to whose it was.

Nerdlingr

bubblypop wrote: »

why is that interesting?

Eh, because It would imply that 13yr Boy B was already on the PULSE system.

El_Bee

gctest50 wrote: »

So if they were watching Deadpool they'd be jumping of buildings n stuff ?

"Born that way "and you can't seem to accept it looking at that post trying to explain it away

Boy B put his hands up to his face in disbelief when the hammer dropped

Boy B's father went out of the courtroom in disbelief and returned to slow-clap

It's genetics ...... ( or cr@p parenting )

Rubbish, behavior is learned, not bred.

SEPT 23 1989

'You bunch of scumbags...Innocent boy':

Boy B's father

Doesn't sound like a very middle class reaction to me

guapos

Gael23 wrote: »

Their parents have something to answer for in terms of destroying evidence.

Was this reported?

Fakediamond

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Boy B stood and watched the whole thing.
There was blood on his shoe was there not?

No, there was no forensics linking boy B to the crime scene. And if I remember correctly, cctv images after the event saw him passing some minutes before boy A so he may have left the scene before the murder.

I think the difficulty for those of us not in the courtroom, hearing all of the evidence, can only speculate as to the level of boy B’s involvement. Boy A on the other hand...it’s terrifying to think what he is capable of.

Gatling

spurious wrote: »

I have been there a few times (last time this month) and it is not true that they are free to walk around. All the doors have locks controlled by cards which only staff have.

The old Oberstown was very different to the one following the transfers from Pat's.

It's still more or a care home than detention center,
Child first policy too ??

GT_TDI_150

Sad thing about all this is, we live in a world were i constantly have to tell my 4 year oldgirl to let me know if people are mean to her, that stragers with puppies at a playground are not your friend, to shout stranger if some one approaches her, that she will be doing some shape of self defence classes as soon as she is old enough to join, that private parts are private and you show no one, and no one should show her theirs ....and my older lad keeps getting told most of the above and to look out for others if they look like they are in trouble with some one and if i heard of either of them being the meanies, they'll have another thing coming to them....

Kids should not need to be told this at such a young age...

Dontfadeaway

Boy B wasn't very smart when asked about Ana, if anyone thought he was innocent before, you wouldn't after the way he spoke about her.

Fakediamond

Gatling wrote: »

It's still more or a care home than detention center,
Child first policy too ??

It’s run by dept of education, not dept of justice.

whisky_galore

Edgware wrote: »

The pupils in her school didn't make her life easy either. They have a lot to answer for

Nothing will happen to them.

Good chance one of them or someone in the locality will leak the names for a giggle, it will happen in one form or another online, don't worry.
Then cue the Paul Williams gutter press types waiting for one of them to be released when they get wind of that down the road.

Fan of Netflix

gctest50 wrote: »

So if they were watching Deadpool they'd be jumping of buildings n stuff ?

"Born that way "and you can't seem to accept it looking at that post trying to explain it away

Boy B put his hands up to his face in disbelief when the hammer dropped

Boy B's father went out of the courtroom in disbelief and returned to slow-clap

It's genetics ...... ( or cr@p parenting )

So let me get this straight, you are comparing a child who started watching the likes of rape, animal , torture and child pornography from the age of 11 to watching a super hero film...?

I'm done. The garbage being spouted by clowns on here is too much. Born that way me hole.

gctest50

El_Bee wrote: »

Rubbish, behavior is learned, not bred.

Not much internet around in 93 :


https://imgur.com/tku4LEU

spurious

Gatling wrote: »

It's still more or a care home than detention center,
Child first policy too ??

It's true it is not staffed by prison officers, but while the old set up was a bit like a care home and I have never been in an adult prison, it certainly seems prison-like enough for me since the extras came over from Pat's.
Accompanied at all times, bags checked, each door only opened after the one behind it shut etc.. Not a place I would like to spend a lot of time.

Fann Linn

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Boy B wasn't very smart when asked about Ana, if anyone thought he was innocent before, you wouldn't after the way he spoke about her.

He good as lured her to her death.