Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

El_Bee

gctest50 wrote: »

Not much internet around in 93 :


https://imgur.com/tku4LEU

gibberish, I said behaviour is learned, I didn't say "the internet caused this"

smurgen

Edgware wrote: »

The pupils in her school didn't make her life easy either. They have a lot to answer for

If just find it incredibly sad reading how alone she was. If you have kids please tell them to look out for the less fortunate. We should be taking positives out of this case where possible.

shesty

iamwhoiam wrote: »

But are we sure Boy B ran ? He lied about everything and every move so why believe he ran ? For all we know its another lie and maybe he cheered A on ? We don’t know

True.The point still stands though.He could have stopped it and didn't.And then lied about it.

GT_TDI_150

Fakediamond wrote: »

No, there was no forensics linking boy B to the crime scene. And if I remember correctly, cctv images after the event saw him passing some minutes before boy A so he may have left the scene before the murder.

I think the difficulty for those of us not in the courtroom, hearing all of the evidence, can only speculate as to the level of boy B’s involvement. Boy A on the other hand...it’s terrifying to think what he is capable of.

Some minutes implies less than 10 yes?! With all we've heard and read about the case, do you honestly belive boy b ran when the assault started and boy a did all the damage in less than 10minutes... also taking into account boy b said he ran which if boy a walked would make that window even smaller

iamwhoiam

shesty wrote: »

True.The point still stands though.He could have stopped it and didn't.And then lied about it.

Of course he could . My guess is he didn’t want to .

Your Face

I think we all knew someone like her growing up.

Targeted because she was a bit different.

R.I.P Anna Kriegel.

El_Bee

Fann Linn wrote: »

He good as lured her to her death.

He did lure her to her death, he is an accessory to murder, and was thankfully charged and tried as such.

Amalgam

gctest50 wrote: »

Not much internet around in 93 :


https://imgur.com/tku4LEU

A few serial killers point to, 'paper porn' exposure as children, that led them along a certain path and allowing an underlying pathology, to flourish.

You don't need a mobile phone or laptop to seriously corrupt a young mind.

Ted Bundy in particular, points to access to pornographic material as a child, there's interviews on YouTube, if you care to search.

Fann Linn

El_Bee wrote: »

He did lure her to her death, he is an accessory to murder, and was thankfully charged and tried as such.

Exactly. No difference in my book to the cnut who did the deed.

Gatling

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Sad thing about all this is, we live in a world were i constantly have to tell my 4 year oldgirl to let me know if people are mean to her, that stragers with puppies at a playground are not your friend, to shout stranger if some one approaches her, that she will be doing some shape of self defence classes as soon as she is old enough to join, that private parts are private and you show no one, and no one should show her theirs ....and my older lad keeps getting told most of the above and to look out for others if they look like they are in trouble with some one and if i heard of either of them being the meanies, they'll have another thing coming to them....

Kids should not need to be told this at such a young age...

That's all well and good but in reality kids will bow to peer pressure and so silly things that may cost the dearly no Matter what we try to teach them ,
I know of multiple cases fo kids in primary school's being subjected to demands of other children to send highly inappropriate photos to each other ,
Often stranger danger is a waste of time due to the need to liked by others ,open and Frank conversations tend to work better

gctest50

El_Bee wrote: »

gibberish, I said behaviour is learned, I didn't say "the internet caused this"

Did you miss this part ? ( now highlighted )

gctest50 wrote: »

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It's genetics ...... ( or cr@p parenting )

STB.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if they were tried as adults the only sentence the judge can give is life.

Nope.

The Children’s Act is silent on mandatory sentences, but the legal consensus is they don’t apply to children even in cases of murder.

Judges can sentence a child to life imprisonment but it is not required. For example, in 2005 Mr Justice Barry White sentenced a 15-year-old boy to life imprisonment for murder, but ordered the sentence be brought before him again in a decade for review. In 2014 he reviewed the sentence, and set a release date for 2016.

Souce: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/children-charged-with-serious-crimes-face-different-criminal-justice-process-to-adults-1.3508849

bobbyss

In one of the papers today it said after the verdict was given one of the parents shouted out at the court 'scumbags ... priicks'.

Gatling

Amalgam wrote: »

Ted Bundy in particular, points to access to pornographic material as a child, there's interviews on YouTube, if you care to search.

Big difference from nudey magazines from the 60s and 70s to being exposed to extreme hardcore and violent porn that's readily available 24/7 in hd video

Bundy was a master manipulator too might find somw.similarities if you look at statements in this case

El_Bee

gctest50 wrote: »

Did you miss this part ? ( now highlighted )

I was quoting this post by you.

gctest50 wrote: »

Not much internet around in 93 :


https://imgur.com/tku4LEU

Some people just want to argue and split hairs over every single thing.

Fan of Netflix

Gatling wrote: »

Big difference from nudey magazines from the 60s and 70s to being exposed to extreme hardcore and violent porn that's readily available 24/7 in hd video

Apparently it's the same thing according to some!

Stop moaning ffs

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Boy B wasn't very smart when asked about Ana, if anyone thought he was innocent before, you wouldn't after the way he spoke about her.

His language was well above his years. as was AS

He’s not the simple child they tried to make him out to be. Not At all.

GT_TDI_150

Gatling wrote: »

That's all well and good but in reality kids will bow to peer pressure and so silly things that may cost the dearly no Matter what we try to teach them ,
I know of multiple cases fo kids in primary school's being subjected to demands of other children to send highly inappropriate photos to each other ,
Often stranger danger is a waste of time due to the need to liked by others ,open and Frank conversations tend to work better

With 4yr olds?

Im saddened i have to, have the chats with her in an age appropriote way .... Open and frank about murders, sexual assaults, pedofiles, abductions,... ?! I dont think so, she knows enough to be wary and little enough that she can sleep at night

Hardtochoose

bobbyss wrote: »

In one of the papers today it said after the verdict was given one of the parents shouted out at the court 'scumbags ... priicks'.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/conor-feehan-heavy-emotion-in-courtroom-as-guilty-verdicts-returned-38230456.html



“bunch of scumbags, you f***ing pricks. Innocent boy,” he was heard to say.”


Should be more concerned with how he raised his child than with abusing the Gardaí

iamwhoiam

bobbyss wrote: »

In one of the papers today it said after the verdict was given one of the parents shouted out at the court 'scumbags ... priicks'.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/bunch-of-scumbags-father-of-boy-b-loudly-condemns-verdict-1.3929674?mode=amp


And gave the court a slow hand clap
Classy man

Nerdlingr

Another thing that came out was some third year students in secondary bullied ana before she had even started second level school. She was barely out of sixth class and third years were bullying her. FFS.
Get a life ye sad b@stards.

Amalgam

Gatling wrote: »

Big difference from nudey magazines from the 60s and 70s to being exposed to extreme hardcore and violent porn that's readily available 24/7 in hd video

Bundy was a master manipulator too might find similarities if you look at statements in this case

You had access to material that was just as damaging.

Pornography at a young age does mess up how you view.. things. It does not take much.

claregal1

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Boy B wasn't very smart when asked about Ana, if anyone thought he was innocent before, you wouldn't after the way he spoke about her.

Boy B in my opinion was a lot cuter and smarter than boy A ..at the end of the day , he supplied the rope etc , and also tried to entice other young boys to join his club ..I hope both boys spend the next 50 years in jail .may they be named and shamed and given the same treatment they inflicted on Ana .. they aren't children ..they are monsters

fryup

anyone from the area answer this? (apologies if it has been asked already)

why was she bullied?? because she was deemed as different?

too tall? too pretty? just plain jealousy? ...was it a tough school she attended??

gctest50

El_Bee wrote: »

I was quoting this post by you.

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https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110469411&postcount=716

Dante7

tigger123 wrote: »

How or where are you getting that?

Was just replying to a post that said he sounded like a scumbag. I'm saying that he is not necessarily a typical scumbag. He also was cute enough to know to refrain from shouting his contemptible crap until after the Judge had left the courtroom.

tayto lover

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I think it's clear their internet use played a major part here. They were regularly watching some of the most extreme pornography out there, even years before this happened and a lot other horrible ****e. That can seriously warp childrens heads.

Nah. These two evil cuts didn’t need to watch anything.
Evil enough without it imo.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Sad thing about all this is, we live in a world were i constantly have to tell my 4 year oldgirl to let me know if people are mean to her, that stragers with puppies at a playground are not your friend, to shout stranger if some one approaches her, that she will be doing some shape of self defence classes as soon as she is old enough to join, that private parts are private and you show no one, and no one should show her theirs ....and my older lad keeps getting told most of the above and to look out for others if they look like they are in trouble with some one and if i heard of either of them being the meanies, they'll have another thing coming to them....

Kids should not need to be told this at such a young age...

I was just turned four when the James Bulger case happened. I wasn't aware of it in the news but I remember it because my dad, who was never cross or serious about anything gave me and my sister a talk and there was something just so different about him. He said something to the effect of "You know Granny? If you ever get lost you find a lady who looks like that, an old lady and you ask her to help you. You don't go near any young people or any men." It was only years later I put the events together and asked him and he confirmed but I never forgot him talking to us.

I don't have kids, I can't imagine how scary these cases are for ye who do, it's just so much more awful when the perpetrators are children too.

GT_TDI_150

fryup wrote: »

anyone from the area answer this? (apologies if it has been asked already)

why was she bullied?? because she was deemed as different?

too tall? too pretty? just plain jealousy? ...was it a tough school she attended??

Radio mentioned kids knew she was a russian adoptee, and way taller than the rest of her age ... Teens dont need much of an excuse to bully tbh

GT_TDI_150

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Sad thing about all this is, we live in a world were i constantly have to tell my 4 year oldgirl to let me know if people are mean to her, that stragers with puppies at a playground are not your friend, to shout stranger if some one approaches her, that she will be doing some shape of self defence classes as soon as she is old enough to join, that private parts are private and you show no one, and no one should show her theirs ....and my older lad keeps getting told most of the above and to look out for others if they look like they are in trouble with some one and if i heard of either of them being the meanies, they'll have another thing coming to them....

Kids should not need to be told this at such a young age...

My siblings and I were told pretty much the same thing including not to take sweets from strangers back in the 70s and 80s. Same stuff was being told to kids in one form or another for decades, and always will in some form or another unfortunately.

Hope the verdict gives her parents some relief, after all that they have been through.