Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Gimme A Pound

anewme wrote: »

God love Ana s parents having to sit through that. I hope they have a good core support network around them.

I also empathise fully with the Jury. They must be absolutely drained from the evidence and pressure to make the correct decison. May they receive the help they deserve to get back to their own lives as this will hugely impact them.

Indeed. And I'd say the detectives on the case are fairly shook too. Only so much they can handle when conducting investigations into violent deaths. The guard who found her must have been in bits.

fryup

fryup wrote: »

in the multi cultural ireland of 2019

surely there must be more to it than that?? in the news it mentioned she was slightly deaf

Given when the news broke of her murder, we had a lot of people posting on the thread about it on here that it was most likely a foreigner who did it, some even asking why she was in the country, yeah plenty of assholes around in Ireland in 2019.

El_Bee

Boy B tried to lead the Gardai up the garden path and stumbled over his stories multiple times, he was way too cute and manipulative to be some innocent babe in the woods people are trying to paint him as.

Hoboo

iamwhoiam wrote: »

He told it himself that he was there when she gasped and then went quiet . His words to a counsellor

Have you a link to that? Not that I don't believe you, just first I've heard that and be interested to read what else he told the counsellor. Can't find anything other than he left when Boy A 'flipped her', and she was alive.

suicide_circus

i can see these lads doing some amount of damage when they're free and all grown up

fryup

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Read the Irish times article posted a while back. Very comprehensive.

link, please

Gimme A Pound

o1s1n wrote: »

Since the weekend I've received some harmless memes and cat videos. You'd really want to reassess who you communicate with :eek:

Indeed. I've never ever seen anything like any of that!

And the choking porn thing - maybe those so eager to defend any adult porn might reconsider.

Gimme A Pound

fryup wrote: »

link, please

Google it. Seriously, why are you just getting other people to find stuff for you?

Stop moaning ffs

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You really need to read the court reports and stop making stuff up

I just did

TheMilkyPirate

Really nice piece at the end of the report on RTE news there

iamwhoiam

fryup wrote: »

link, please

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-the-complete-story-1.3929570?mode=amp

whisky_galore

fryup wrote: »

in the multi cultural ireland of 2019

surely there must be more to it than that?? in the news it mentioned she was slightly deaf

You get bullied if you're taller or shorter than average, too thin, too fat, glasses, red hair... Basically anything that makes you stand out from the herd.

Kids are little cnuts.

Sunflower 27

I had followed this in the press but not in great detail.

This evening I read the excellent article online by the Irish Times and am close to tears. I think I am just too shocked at the moment and tears will come.

That poor young girl who only wanted to be accepted, but instead was lured to an abandoned house to be brutally murdered. It's the stuff of a horror film.

This part in the article stood out to me:

"You bunch of scumbags, you bunch of pricks … innocent boy,” Boy B’s father said. He clapped sarcastically at the court as the two teens were led away."

In front of Ana's parents, this father did this. To him I say, the scumbag is YOUR son, your lying, deranged prick of a son.

He has lost his son for an as yet undetermined period of time. But his child will go on to live, likely, a full life.

Ana's parents will never see their child again. They have to live with the nightmare of how she was killed, how frightened she must have been.

It's all too ****ing cruel.

JuneMoon7

Evil little s*its, waste of oxygen. Probably raised by useless parents who didnt give a crap what they were doing.

Mr.Maroon

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Read the Irish times article posted a while back. Very comprehensive.

I've just finished reading it. Heartbreaking.
The last part of it describing Ana brought a tear to my eye.

One part stood out about other kids bullying her.
Before she even started secondary school she was receiving horrible messages from kids in 3rd year in the school.
What little c**ts - I hope that haunts them for the rest of their lives!!

Eggs For Dinner

eurokev wrote: »

For example on my WhatsApp since the weekend I have received.
.

WTF. I'm an auld boy, but is WhatsApp only from your contacts? Who are you associating with?

Hoboo

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-the-complete-story-1.3929570?mode=amp

Behind a paywall, anyway around it?

Lackadaisical

Hoboo wrote: »

Behind a paywall, anyway around it?

You could pay. Journalists have to eat.

gormdubhgorm

A Summer In Provence wrote: »

Ana’s parents mentioned in their testimony to the court that she was bullied relentlessly throughout her time at secondary school.

I hope school principals and boards of management the length and breath of this country pay attention to this case, while two boys were convicted of murdering her, it would appear that lots of other young people excluded her or bullied her during her very short life.

Bullying can have catastrophic effects on victims with many carrying the pain around with them for life - it’s time to start taking it seriously. There is no point in having an anti bullying policy displayed on the school website or printed in the school prospectus - the policy shouldn’t be an aspirational document, it should be fully implemented and sanctions should be handed out as and when required.

Rest In Peace Ana - I hope your parents get some peace from today’s guilty verdict.

Also from reading the bit on the RTE website,

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0618/1056045-ana-kriegel/

Ana started to experiment with self-harming as a friend told her about it. Then this same 'friend' set up a fake profile of a boy to make a fool out of her.
Also the other strange bit was that Ana's father said she set up fake accounts appearing to bully herself - which she told him about.
Her parents tried to the best for her and only let her have an iphone/ipad if she gave them her passwords.

All the talk about bullying and how it is a bad thing to do is all well and good.
But some people especially children will always single those out who are a bit 'different'.
It happened before the rise social media. and it will continue long after it.
The schools job is now just far more difficult than it was 20 years ago.
To blame the schools is just an easy scapegoat.
Society and the complete environment the child grows up in, are the real causes.

Sir Oxman

Autecher wrote: »

They are reading out the findings on the radio now. I have purposefully avoided news about this trial for the most part and hearing the details now it's just horrible. Absolutely horrible. That poor girl.

Yes, it is absolutely heartbreaking.
Shunned at school and by her peers and picked for rape & murder by two of them.


There's only one victim here.


I hope her parents keep the strength they've shown so far.
I cannot imagine.

Amalgam

Hoboo wrote: »

Behind a paywall, anyway around it?

No issues viewing it on Firefox, not logged into anything either.

GT_TDI_150

fryup wrote: »

in the multi cultural ireland of 2019

surely there must be more to it than that?? in the news it mentioned she was slightly deaf

FFS, kids will pick on each other if the breath funny....

Dots1982

One thing strange from reading this article- https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-the-complete-story-1.3929570

Boy B immediately incriminated boy A as the last to see Ana before she disappeared...yet from the reading of the article the police didn’t immediately approach Boy A to talk to him. Weird??

Hoboo

Lackadaisical wrote: »

You could pay. Journalists have to eat.

They won't get much with a euro.

Stop moaning ffs

Hoboo wrote: »

Behind a paywall, anyway around it?

Full report here.

Brace yourself. It’s often hard distressing read

https://twitter.com/conorgallaghe_r/status/1140995571274133505?s=21

Spanish Eyes

Hoboo wrote: »

Behind a paywall, anyway around it?

You get a few articles a week free, but try going icognito.

That's the only suggestion I have at the minute.

It is a truly great article, glad to see there are some fine print journalists left to report factually by themselves based on the facts of the case, not pulled from some other news source.

Horrible horrible crime. What gets me most is the fact that two 13 year olds were up to that. Maybe times have changed, but I would think this kind of thinking started way before the actual crime, and I still can't believe that 12/13 year olds could be capable of this. But why am I suprised really, anything can happen anywhere.

Kermit.de.frog

Horrible case.

Social media was only getting going just as I left school.

I can only imagine the serious implications social media would have for how bullying is carried out in schools and the effects on the victims.

It must be horrendous.

JuneMoon7

MightyMandarin wrote: »

God help you if your child ever commits a heinous crime. While how one is raised is definitely a factor in how they end up, to blame the parents for their sons committing an act of murder is totally unfair. Plenty of murderers and criminals were raised in good homes with loving parents.

Are you for real. Parents lied and defended those little ****s even though they KNEW they were guilty as hell. All they cared about was themselves. What about the real victim? what about Ana?? They acted like they were the victims. They raised two feral monsters

This is it

Dots1982 wrote: »

One thing strange from reading this article- https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-the-complete-story-1.3929570

Boy B immediately incriminated boy A as the last to see Ana before she disappeared...yet from the reading of the article the police didn’t immediately approach Boy A to talk to him. Weird??

Collecting as much information as possible maybe, much easier to interview when you already have a good picture of what happened

mikemac2

Apologies in advance, I am sure it was asked and answered, it's a large thread. Murder is automatic life sentence but what about 14 years old? Does the same rules apply?