Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Sunflower 27

Grayson wrote: »

After reading that article I was also struck by how much of Boy A's character we know about because of Boy B. And yet Boy B lies constantly. I wouldn't trust a word he says and I could fully believe it was his idea.

I agree. Boy B possibly thought if he just led Ana to her death and there was none of his DNA at the scene then he was safe and sound. He could witness a brutal killing and live out a fantasy and his friend would be the one to get all the blame.

I don't believe his father is clueless and in denial. He knows his son better than any of us ever could and we are getting the measure of him (manipulative, deceptive, crafty) in a few short interviews

SEPT 23 1989

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I’m amazed two 13 year olds didn’t crack been interviewed by Gardai.

Most people would be bricking it and just admit it especially kids.

We had a fear of the law

Times have changed for some

jam_mac_jam

They are both evil bastards. It doesn't really matter who egged who on they are both obviously very dangerous.

If they would plan and do that at thirteen god knows what they would do when they are fully grown men.

Hurrache

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

"A compilation clip of choking porn where women are choked unconscious while having sex."

Again... the issue is with 13-year-olds having access to it.

That's not what you said though, you said any adult defending porn should reconsider.

Grayson

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

I agree. Boy B possibly thought if he just led Ana to her death and their was none of his DNA at the scene then he was safe and sound. He could witness a brutal killing and live out a fantasy and his friend would be the one to get all the blame.

I don't believe his father is clueless and in denial. He knows his son better than any of us ever could and we are getting the measure of him (manipulative, deceptive, crafty) in a few short interviews

A boy that manipulative could manipulate a father.

The thing is the only two people who know what happened is those boys. I don't know if we'll even know how much each was involved in the planning.

InTheShadows

Lackadaisical wrote: »

The social media platforms really do need to contribute a LOT more to tackling the cyber bullying their systems are enabling. I really do think they are getting a free ride. They make a fortune and a vulnerable % of their user base is simply not being protected.

I don't think it can be dealt with by censorship or pushing the technology back as the genie is very much out of the bottle at this stage and isn't going to go back in again.

We need huge resources put into education and support for parents, teachers and end-users in general. We're not all social media gurus, but if we are in a crisis situation, the networks should be making one easily available.

They also need to be MUCH quicker about reacting to reports of abusive behaviour and content.

Social media access should be linked to your PPS number in this country. If you are not over 18 then you should have no access. A simple government agency can run the thing as i wouldn't want the likes of Facebook having my PPS details.

There are kids as young as 12 passing around images of human beings being beheaded and the like. It's time for drastic action.

Stop moaning ffs

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I’m amazed two 13 year olds didn’t crack been interviewed by Gardai.

Most people would be bricking it and just admit it especially kids.

Two future FG members for sure


Mod-Yup, thats a ban.

voldejoie

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

They should have been advised to plead guilty from the beginning. It is sickening that poor Ana’s entire teenage life had to be out there for all of us to see.

I just think that once she had moved on to college and away from whatever goes on in schools right now that she would have found real friends and grown into a wonderful woman.

I can't stop thinking about this, the absolute torment the poor girl went through and how much brighter things could have gotten for her if she had had a chance to get through school and into the wider world. As many have said, absolutely heartbreaking that part of the ruse to lead her away was to make her believe she was making friends.

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Just reading the two were excused from the court room when the details of the attack and beating etc were being read to the jury.

They should have been made to ait through it.

This really annoyed me, that the rest of the court and Ana's parents had to sit through all of those details with the full knowledge that she was given such a brutal and violent death, and the very ones responsible for it are spared it. It would be funny if it wasn't so depressing.

The guards and the DPP did an incredible job in bringing this case to trial in a timely and effective way, staying within all of the rules and guidelines so the investigation couldn't be impugned on a technicality and doing their best for the Kriegel family throughout this absolute nightmare.

The fact that 13 year olds can plan and carry out something this heinous makes me feel sick. It's terrifying to think what they will be capable of when they're fully grown up and the danger they could pose.

Grayson

pablo128 wrote: »

Lad, you will go to jail if you are caught identifying them. Give over for your own sake.

I fully understand why they can't be identified and i wouldn't do it but it's weird considering a whole town knows them.

Sunflower 27

Grayson wrote: »

A boy that manipulative could manipulate a father.

The thing is the only two people who know what happened is those boys. I don't know if we'll even know how much each was involved in the planning.

I'm not saying Boy B didn't manipulate his father, I'm sure he did. I am just not convinced his father really believes his ridiculous story.

But yep, we will never know.

Gimme A Pound

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Two future FG members for sure

Ffs.

Wheeliebin30

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Two future FG members for sure

The fact you would use this girls murder to make a political statement and get one up on me tells me all I need to know.

You absolute sick scumbag.

Go away into a quite place for everyone’s sake.

Stop moaning ffs

Dots1982 wrote: »

Yeah from rereading it they bring boy A in with Boy B to the field as soon as possible; Tuesday afternoon after Monday disappearance.

It just reads a bit weird because the article goes on about leads going no where in the meantime as well as a random encounter with boy A and his father when they are out searching. Strange this happened in this short a window.

I caught that straight away.

Boy A doesn’t seem like the type that goes for a walk with his dad.
At all.
What 13 year old boy does though? But given his proclivities especially not him.
That’s just weird.

Amalgam

Amalgam wrote: »

If one of the accused is found to have an incurable pathology, could he be held at the CMH, at some point, after prison.

Wasn't that the case for Malcolm MacArthur?

Just want to put this to the thread again, is prison the only option, going forward, if there's a perceived threat/repeat offending?

..as in, one or both being detained at a psychiatric facility.

Gimme A Pound

Hurrache wrote: »

That's not what you said though, you said any adult defending porn should reconsider.

Nearly: "maybe those so eager to defend any adult porn might reconsider" but yeah I meant on this thread.

Nerdlingr

bubblypop wrote: »

That doesn't mean anything bad.
Everyone with any interaction with gardai is on pulse. Anyone who reports something missing is on pulse. Anyone who is an injured party is on pulse. Anyone who is a witness to anything is on pulse. Anyone involved in any incident involving Gardai is on pulse.
It doesn't mean anything bad about anyone.

All that is correct.
There is also the flip side of that though. You can also be on pulse for a whole load of other not so innocent reasons.

Grayson

InTheShadows wrote: »

Social media access should be linked to your PPS number in this country. If you are not over 18 then you should have no access. A simple government agency can run the thing as i wouldn't want the likes of Facebook having my PPS details.

There are kids as young as 12 passing around images of human beings being beheaded and the like. It's time for drastic action.

Ban smartphones for under 16?

There are schools that do that. Kids could still have non smart phones for contacting them.

Thing is they still need internet access for school and banning them from computers would hurt their education. Maybe create a proxy that all kids use? they'd find a way around that )I know I could in a few minutes).

It's incredibly hard to do this sort of stuff.

Dots1982

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I caught that straight away.

Boy A doesn’t seem like the type that goes for a walk with his dad.
At all.
What 13 year old boy does though? But given his proclivities especially not him.
That’s just weird.

So why do you think he and his father went for a walk and talked to the police that day?

Grayson

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

I'm not saying Boy B didn't manipulate his father, I'm sure he did. I am just not convinced his father really believes his ridiculous story.

But yep, we will never know.

He probably realises on some level but is in denial. He doesn't want to know, that's the thing.

pablo128

Grayson wrote: »

I fully understand why they can't be identified and i wouldn't do it but it's weird considering a whole town knows them.

Word of mouth spreads like butter in Ireland. There's no need to be posting up info on the internet which could get you out away simply because of curiosity.

Spanish Eyes

Nerdlingr wrote: »

All that is correct.
There is also the flip side of that though. You can also be on pulse for a whole load of other not so innocent reasons.

My take on the Pulse thing is that it wasn't the child but someone in the family that was on Pulse. I'd say the Gardai knew where to look myself.

And I haven't identified anyone remember, it's just a feeling.

Ken.

Mod- Ok, Enough is enough. The next person that hints at the the names or identities of the 2 boys is getting a perma AH ban. Thread locked for 10 minutes as ignorance will not be a defence.

Ken.

Mod-Thread reopened. Heed the above.

El_Bee

Was Boy B with the Gardai when they met Boy A and his Father out walking? the article seems to imply that.

GT_TDI_150

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

They are both evil bastards. It doesn't really matter who egged who on they are both obviously very dangerous.

If they would plan and do that at thirteen god knows what they would do when they are fully grown men.

And this is why i personally think it is wrong their identities will forever be withheld

Ash.J.Williams

Grayson wrote: »

I fully understand why they can't be identified and i wouldn't do it but it's weird considering a whole town knows them.

it's really not weird

screamer

I should also have added to my previous post, a thank you to the jurors for having the sense and strength to deliver the correct verdict here.
I can’t imagine what they also had to see and hear during that trial. I don’t think I’d have been able to do it, so well done to them, they’ve done society a great service today and we can all rest a bit easier.

Birdnuts

The evil bitches who mercilessly bullied this beautifull, fragile girl in school should suffer consequences too - what if anything has the school done to deal with these vermin??

spurious

Amalgam wrote: »

Just want to put this to the thread again, is prison the only option, going forward, if there's a perceived threat/repeat offending?

..as in, one or both being detained at a psychiatric facility.

I don't think we have any secure child psychiatric facility in Ireland. Open to correction if anyone knows for sure.
That's a problem for another day.

iamwhoiam

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

And this is why i personally think it is wrong their identities will forever be withheld

I think the names should be released when they are 18 . If for no other reason but to keep girls safe who might come in contact with them .

I felt sad that Anas life could be written about and her picture everywhere yet those who denied her a voice are protected .