Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

petrolcan

screamer wrote: »

Once expelled, other schools can refuse to take them in, therefore they’d not get their education and I’m sure some rights of the bully would be infringed. But forget the victim, their rights are trumped by the rights of the bully..... isn’t that how Ireland works across the board.....

Complain on boards, that'll fix everything :rollseyes:

Dante7

I have read elsewhere similarities about the case in the Isle of Bute where the murderer who was a minor was named by direction of the Judge. Another difference in that case is that his mother turned her son in to the police. Unlike Boy B's father who roared abuse at the Gardai. What a cnut.

take everything

Just read the Irish Times piece there.
Maybe it's par for the course, but Gageby, the defence barrister doesn't come out of that looking like a nice guy.

dudara

I just finished reading the Irish Times article. The description of the murder scene really made me feel ill. What an absolutely horrible end to a life. She was only 14.

Well done to the jury for listening to and evaluating all that evidence. They had a hard job but it does appear that they fulfilled their brief admirably.

When the dust settles on this case, and emotions are calmer, there will be questions on the nature of bullying, and the influences of pornography and the internet/social media on the defendants. On how a teenager can be dehumanised to the point where she is sexually assaulted and murdered.

But for now, I think it’s best to remember Ana as she was at her best.

Seathrun66

dave1982 wrote: »

Boys pics floating round whatsapp.. Delighted ****ers being exposed

What if it's the wrong boys? Vigilante alert.

hatrickpatrick

Boy B's family sound like out and out scumbags. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if his dad was "known to the Gardaí" or whatever euphemism is currently preferred to describe people who can't go more than a few days without doing something scummy to other people.

tayto lover

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They can I just watched a thing about Jon Venables on the back of this case.
He was named along with Robert Thompson for the Murder of Jamie Bulger.

Anyway when Venebles was released 8 years later he taught to lie by police, so he would not mess up his new identity/backstory.
But he went of the rails and started looking at loads of child porn.
He got another two years for that.

He lived in N.Ireland under a new name but dirtied his copybook by downloading child porn. He’s out again but has moved elsewhere.

Seathrun66

freak scence wrote: »

he was there so **** him

Not a great legal argument.

petrolcan

freak scence wrote: »

**** em all parents should be done too , for bringing these ***** into th eworld

Let's all hope your child never puts a foot wrong.

Seathrun66

freak scence wrote: »

sad ****in sacks defending this ****e

Too many unsafe convictions in this country and the UK. Boy B looks to me like yet another one.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Not a great legal argument.

It is actually. If he was there. If he brought Anna. If he had reason to believe she would have been killed and If he didn’t stop the murder then he’s an accomplice.

Hal3000

Is there some kind of app that can monitor activity and report it back to another phone? Wouldn't this be ideal for monitoring a teenagers phone searches and activity? I know it might sound a tad extreme, but when I was growing up I didn't have unfettered access to such gruesome material. This thing about handing a teenager a phone without any controls is just madness.

spaceHopper

copeyhagen wrote: »

no, the parents knew they were guilty and allowed the bad legal advice to them both of pleading not guilty

The sentence for murder is life no matter what, you can't be given a lighter sentence for pleading guilty - so they had nothing to gain by doing so. The prosecution had to prove she didn't consent to sex with boy A and that they planned to kill her, they this wasn't something gone wrong and man-slaughter

Hal3000

petrolcan wrote: »

Great, a generation of kids with criminal records. That's just what's needed.

:rolleyes:

Here we go... That took longer than expected. Won't somebody please think of the bullies. Fu*k the bullies. This type of response is the problem.

anewme

Seathrun66 wrote: »

freak scence wrote: »

sad ****in sacks defending this ****e

Too many unsafe convictions in this country and the UK. Boy B looks to me like yet another one.

There will be zero public sympathy for this "unsafe " conviction.

Sunflower 27

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

It is actually. If he was there. If he brought Anna. If he had reason to believe she would have been killed and If he didn’t stop the murder then he’s an accomplice.

And it turns out, thankfully, it was a very good legal argument.

Boy B was the one I thought may actually get off. I was so pleased to hear BOTH were guilty.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Too many unsafe convictions in this country and the UK. Boy B looks to me like yet another one.

I don’t think you have a clue of the law.

Riesen_Meal

Seathrun66 wrote: »

What if it's the wrong boys? Vigilante alert.

Dublin is a small place, I work with a girl who's brothers child was in their class, they are in class photos with the other kid's, she actually I'D one of them out of a class picture guessing having never seen them before....

It's small little things like that you never even think of..

Seathrun66

dd973 wrote: »

There's always been a viciousness in this country towards people deemed different or not fitting in, it hasn't gone away with the disappearance of the industrial schools, magdalen launderies, the lessening of the Church's role in the state or with all the apparent hippy-dippy liberal identity politics that are commoditised to the core.

It's something that's all pervasive and not hard to find if you keep your eyes and ears open, it's directed towards people whom are deemed not Irish enough, LGBT people and those rumoured to be LGBT, Travellers or anybody who 'looks like a Traveller', any male who's not a swaggering pseudo-alpha gob****e, working class people labelled as 'knackers', anybody who basically doesn't fit in with 'Brand Ireland'. It's still a small country with minds to match.

Definitely elements of that. But I'd argue that it doesn't pervade the entire country and we're battling against it year by year. Hopefully we're winning and the loss of poor Ana is an aberration.

Gimme A Pound

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

The masks were the frighten her. The knee pads were to keep his precious little knees unharmed as he assaulted or raped her. The gloves were to stop any fingerprints.

Doubt the person you're explaining it to cares. Imagine behaving like that on this thread of all threads.

Shemale

Priscilla Mushy Banner wrote: »

One of those boys, Robert Thompson, has gone on to lead a blameless life. The other has repeatedly come to the attention of the police. So it seems that it can be possible to rehabilitate child killers, but that it's not always the case.

This is completely different though, Thompson and Venables were 10 and it is believed they watched Childs Play and wanted to kill someone like Chucky. Thompson has since abused children. I think those ****ers are under protection with new IDs.

Poor Ana was sexually assaulted before being murdered and I would fear both of these pricks could reoffend like other serial sex offenders / murderers.

hatrickpatrick

petrolcan wrote: »

Let's all hope your child never puts a foot wrong.

If my child did something like this I wouldn't be hurling abuse at the victim's family and the jury in court. Boy B's family are utter scum. This isn't about holding all parents responsible for all of their childrens' bad behaviour, but this particular crowd come across as unhinged, dysfunctional scrotes.

anewme

petrolcan wrote: »

freak scence wrote: »

**** em all parents should be done too , for bringing these ***** into th eworld

Let's all hope your child never puts a foot wrong.

In what way, murdering an innocent and lying about it?

Gimme A Pound

petrolcan wrote: »

Let's all hope your child never puts a foot wrong.

Yeah this was merely a foot being put wrong.

petrolcan

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

ITT: All kids engage in violent bullying.

Indeed. I did and I've no doubt that many of the posters in this thread did too.

Criminal records all round

Calltocall

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Then he probably believed he had a decent chance of getting Boy A off. And knew what that would mean for his career.

I’m always reminded of the film Devils Advocate in situations like this, I understand the law is the law and someone has to defend the monsters in society however on a human level it must be very difficult putting your head down at night when you reflect on your day and know that you’ve done all you could to get someone off who you knew was guilty, akin to selling your soul to step up the promotional ladder and to a bigger pay cheque, not a good trade off but maybe some people just don’t give a **** about matters of the conscience and that’s why they’re in the profession.

Sardonicat

Hal3000 wrote: »

Is there some kind of app that can monitor activity and report it back to another phone? Wouldn't this be ideal for monitoring a teenagers activity? I know it might sound a tad extreme but when I was growing up I didn't have unfettered access to extreme material. This while thing about handing a teenager a phone without any controls is just madness.

I don't think you need an app. You just need to not give your kid one of these devices .

ILoveYourVibes

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Then don't make statements that the parents lied when you can't back it up.

And we really don't know what the parents are like. I know the parents of a double murderer. Loving and lovely people. And when I worked as a lawyer I represented a lot of unloveable people. Many with very decent parents. That may not be the case with the parents of these two lads but we have no idea so speculation and condemnation isn't wise.

The father of one of the boys called everyone in the courtroom (inc anna's parents) 'scumbags' when the verdict was read.

They don't sound like nice people.

Wabbit Ears

Initially I felt sorry for the parents of the two lads but now.. horrible remorseless fcuk who will pay for how he acted for the rest of his life. No one will ever forgive him those comments and his slow clap.

washman3

tuxy wrote: »

Patrick Gageby SC is already a highly regarded defence Barrister that specialises in high profile cases. (many of them for murder)

Highly regarded by who...???
He's laughing all the way to the bank tonight anyway, courtesy of the Irish taxpayer.
A few weeks golfing vacation and then back to 'spin the wheel; again with the appeal case.
And this is supposed to be democracy.:mad: