Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

ILoveYourVibes

dickangel wrote: »

Where did you read that Boy B admitted touching her?

Court reports.

dickangel

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Court reports.

Link?

Genuinely haven't seen that being reported anywhere.

Seathrun66

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That isn't how DNA works. You can punch someone and not have DNA evidence. DNA profile on an object doesn't always correspond to the person who most recently touched it.

You should know this.

There's no way he assaulted her and didn't leave DNA. Just not possible. The Gardai and DPP didn't even attempt to go down the route you're on.

And bon nuit from me also.

Nerdlingr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

If there was a plan for something sexual (consensual) to happen with Ana then he is unlikely to have said it in front of his mother. Big difference in describing someone as you see her and your involvement in any prospective sexual relations. He tried to cover stuff and just got wrapped up in a tissue of lies. With the hindsight of conviction he'd likely come clean straight away given another chance.

I think you're confusing him with someone else. He sat in front of his mother and used a whole host of derogatory terms for a girl who's death he had a hand in. You're inferring because his mother was there he couldn't talk freely or was embarrassed to? B*llox.
It wasn't him that was being involved in any prospective sexual relations though. So he could have sung like a canary and sold his friend down the swanny. Which he tried to do.
You've defended him at every turn on here.
And are now trying to cast him as some timid embarrassed mammy's boy? Christ.

ILoveYourVibes

Hoboo wrote: »

Same place it said the judge was a woman.

You are defending a convicted child murderer. NICE.

A girl died.

He admitted to helping her over a ditch by supporting her and holding her arm and hand.

Sardonicat

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Nerdlingr wrote: »

More forthcoming? This is the same kid that described her as a "slut" and commented on her being developed and more advanced that other kids her age. (Breasts, hips etc). All in front of his mother.

If there was a plan for something sexual (consensual) to happen with Ana then he is unlikely to have said it in front of his mother. Big difference in describing someone as you see her and your involvement in any prospective sexual relations. He tried to cover stuff and just got wrapped up in a tissue of lies. With the hindsight of conviction he'd likely come clean straight away given another chance.

A 'plan' for something consensual with Ana?!

For shame!

ILoveYourVibes

dickangel wrote: »

Link?

Genuinely haven't seen that being reported anywhere.

Wait one moment I'll find it.

Joe Don Dante

i can't believe there are people on this thread actually trying to defend Boy B ... fcuking hell

ILoveYourVibes

dickangel wrote: »

Where did you read that Boy B admitted touching her?

Det Gda Daly asked Boy B if he ever touched Ana and he said only when they were crossing a ditch and he gave her his hand

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-case-16209873



You don't get DNA evidence in every assault case let alone every time people touch.

Gadgetman496

Hoboo wrote: »

I can't see how it is. Maybe I'm missing the part where it was proven beyond doubt boy B knew Boy A planned to kill her. I just can't see it.

Is it not the case that the jury have to be satisfied of guilt beyond reasonable doubt in order to return a guilty verdict?

They returned a majority verdict based on the evidence as put before them, game over.

ILoveYourVibes

Hoboo wrote: »

Think you need to read the case. Satanic what? Oh you mean the homework club?

uh huh

Seathrun66

Sardonicat wrote: »

A 'plan' for something consensual with Ana?!

For shame!

Why say that? That may have been Boy B's intention. I'm only surmising. He may have hoped for something to happen. Not for a murder and rape to take place. We have no idea what was on his mind but by presenting himself at Ana's door it makes no sense that a crime was planned. He's be the man, if not only, suspect.

Sawduck

Hope the two little pricks get murdered in prison, don't care if thats harsh,they deserve it for everything they did to the poor innocent girl,sick bastard's

ILoveYourVibes

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Because that's where kids take alcohol, drugs and indulge in sexual activities. As Ana fancied Boy A it's not wild conjecture for him to assume that some consensual sexual congress may occur.

Yeah no its really a bit weird considering everything.

You romance a girl. You don't have your mate drag her 3k out to the beyond.

Seathrun66

Joe Don Dante wrote: »

i can't believe there are people on this thread actually trying to defend Boy B ... fcuking hell

People stating that the conviction is weak and he may not be guilty. So much so that I believe he'll be freed on appeal. Hard to know quite how involved he was but it's difficult to see how he was convicted beyond reasonable doubt.

Nerdlingr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Why say that? That may have been Boy B's intention. I'm only surmising. He may have hoped for something to happen. Not for a murder and rape to take place. We have no idea what was on his mind but by presenting himself at Ana's door it makes no sense that a crime was planned. He's be the man, if not only, suspect.

Surmising? Dude , you said it yourself....stick to the facts.

Lefty Bicek

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Right-wing papers went mad. 16/17 years after unsafe convictions and unhappy they'd been released.

Ah well, right-wing rags in anti-Irish sentiment shocker...

Your other post suggested a general uproar in the UK after 16/17 (sic) years. There really wasn't one. The world and it's dog knew what had gone on in terms of police and judicial corruption, for many years. A Labour MP published a book about the miscarriage of justice re the Birmingham Six four years before they were released.

It seems to me that this is a totally different kettle of fish ie it involves the conviction of the actual depraved scum who perpetrated, and a decent performance by the cops.

Any outrage about the dismissals of G4 or B6 convictions can be dismissed as right-wing, anti-Irish vitriol in the face of clear evidence.

Outrage about a reversal of this decision is, or will be, from what I can see, much more justifiable.

So I don't see the value in drawing any parallel between the two cases.


But that is just ancient history.

What I really want to say is that I have found this whole case to be depressing, enraging, shameful.

RIP Ana Kriegel.

Seathrun66

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Why say that? That may have been Boy B's intention. I'm only surmising. He may have hoped for something to happen. Not for a murder and rape to take place. We have no idea what was on his mind but by presenting himself at Ana's door it makes no sense that a crime was planned. He's be the man, if not only, suspect.

Maybe he hoped she would answer the door or be home alone and he would never be seen.

All you're surmising is on his side and with nothing to back it up, we do know the murder was mentioned between the 2 boys thats a fact

Seathrun66

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You are defending a convicted child murderer. NICE.

A girl died.

He admitted to helping her over a ditch by supporting her and holding her arm and hand.

That touching is very different to the insinuation of inappropriate touching.

And alongside me he's questioning the guilt of Boy B. This state, and the UK, is littered with wrongful convictions. Those same people who were slated as killers are later found not to be so. Boy B may very well fit into that category. A reasonable stance on the justice system is possible without ad hominen attacks. Even at 2.30am.

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

A 'plan' for something consensual with Ana?!

For shame!

He saw her raped and murdered. He deserves what he got.

Sawduck

Seathrun66 wrote: »

People stating that the conviction is weak and he may not be guilty. So much so that I believe he'll be freed on appeal. Hard to know quite how involved he was but it's difficult to see how he was convicted beyond reasonable doubt.

He was there,he was involved,both deserve the death penalty,just like the sickos who killed jamie bulger

ILoveYourVibes

Seathrun66 wrote: »

That touching is very different to the insinuation of inappropriate touching.

And alongside me he's questioning the guilt of Boy B. This state, and the UK, is littered with wrongful convictions. Those same people who were slated as killers are later found not to be so. Boy B may very well fit into that category. A reasonable stance on the justice system is possible without ad hominen attacks. Even at 2.30am.

But it SHOULD according to YOU show up in DNA which kind of proves you have zero idea of what you are talking about.

Seathrun66

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I think you're confusing him with someone else. He sat in front of his mother and used a whole host of derogatory terms for a girl who's death he had a hand in. You're inferring because his mother was there he couldn't talk freely or was embarrassed to? B*llox.
It wasn't him that was being involved in any prospective sexual relations though. So he could have sung like a canary and sold his friend down the swanny. Which he tried to do.
You've defended him at every turn on here.
And are now trying to cast him as some timid embarrassed mammy's boy? Christ.

Couldn't talk freely about himself. Wasn't that clear.

Seathrun66

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yeah no its really a bit weird considering everything.

You romance a girl. You don't have your mate drag her 3k out to the beyond.

Not much of the finer techniques of romance at 13.

ILoveYourVibes

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Couldn't talk freely about himself. Wasn't that clear.

Well that's the legal system he has to have a guardian.

Seathrun66

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Surmising? Dude , you said it yourself....stick to the facts.

Nobody else here is.

Sawduck

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He saw her raped and murdered. He deserves what he got.

Exactly,only sick demented people would disagree, or maybe they are the killers family, don't waste your time on those sickos,let them rot in hell

ILoveYourVibes

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Not much of the finer techniques of romance at 13.

Yeah they do. Up your game.

No wonder they all come on here complaining they can't get laid!

Sardonicat

Seathrun66 wrote: »

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They discussed it.

They were part of some satanic ...whatever.

He knew where the house was ....he knew it was a ****hole.

Why offer to lead a girl there to a dangerous isolated place?

Why the chord?

Strange thing to give to someone.

Of course he knew.

Because that's where kids take alcohol, drugs and indulge in sexual activities. As Ana fancied Boy A it's not wild conjecture for him to assume that some consensual sexual congress may occur.

Disgusting post. Utterly reprehensible.
It wasn't enough that she was sexually harassed, thought of as a slut and a weirdo and ultimately defiled and murdered; she's now got some keyboard law expert stating it was reasonable to assume that she was up for it.

Shame on you!

ILoveYourVibes

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Nobody else here is.

You didn't even know he had admitted to see her being raped and killed!