Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

weldoninhio

Somedaythefire wrote: »

Do you not see the irony in this?

If a dog bites someone what happens to the dog?? Cheaper to get rid. They don't deserve life.

Fan of Netflix

Penn wrote: »

No blood on his shoes, that was Boy A. Doubt he'd have much of a shot in a retrial though. They can't get a retrial unless there was a procedural error as far as I know, and the interviews were already examined to make sure the detectives interviewing him carried them out in accordance with the rules, which they did.

So basically he lured her to the warehouse where he knew she would likely be killed, watched it unfold then ****ed off and said nothing then lied about it all and changed his story a lot in interview.

But he didn't actually physically kill or even touch her. He pretty much talked his way into a conviction if so. Can imagine he will appeal the sentence though.

Dontfadeaway

Their images are being shared. Can't people get in trouble for that?

joe40

joe40 wrote: »

Ireland's justice system is similar to most of western world, excluding America. We're not going back to capital punishment anytime soon.

Some people would appear to prefer Saudi Arabia type justice, or something out of the middle ages.

other people want to bundle a low barrier of proof and rights of accused to fair trial with what punishment society can enact thereafter

that doesnt need to be bundled, and to conflate the two is of course a political position

Somedaythefire

weldoninhio wrote: »

If a dog bites someone what happens to the dog?? Cheaper to get rid. They don't deserve life.

We're not talking about dogs though. Do you see the irony in what you're saying?

tuxy

weldoninhio wrote: »

We have different views of punishment of this type of crime. Mine a a lot more succinct.

1. Bullet.
2. Rope.

Countries that have violent punisment tends to breed more violent crinmials. I understand that such punishment would make you happy but it's a big price to pay just for your pleasure.

Former Observer

A lot of anger on here. I would agree with the previous poster that said principle punishment of prison is in the denial of freedom. Apart from this I believe inmates should be able to live with a certain degree of dignity. Access to books. Controlled access to media. Controlled access to exercise equipment. Simple but nutritious food etc.

You can judge a society by how they treat their prisoners.

That said. I wouldn't let either of them step outside a prison for twenty years minimum.

Very sad story anyway.

super_furry

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Their images are being shared. Can't people get in trouble for that?

Absolutely. One of them was named on Red FM this morning too, so I imagine they're going to be in a whole heap of trouble.

Sunflower 27

Lucuma wrote: »

Very glad the jury were brave enough to convict Boy B. RTE news yesterday showed visual of the park and the derelict house. He took her on a 3km journey including across farmer's fields (private property). She was an extremely tall, athletic, healthy and strong girl. The element of surprise would have been key in bringing her down. That was what Boy B provided. He must have told her 'go into that house there now and Boy A is waiting for you'. He must have told her which specific room to go into in the house to make sure that Boy A could come up behind her and overpower her. He knew he wasn't taking a vulnerable girl who he himself described as a weirdo cross country on a 3km ramble and sending her into a disgusting falling down dangerous old ruin so she could have something nice happen to her like! He knew damn well what was going to happen to her. And so he is guilty of murder.

The whole thing wouldnt' have been possible without Boy B. He played a crucial role. He was central to the murder even though he didnt' physically lift a finger, so he is guilty

Reading the Irish Times article I saw something I had seen mentioned on reddit when the boys were first arrested but never seen since and had hoped it wasn't true

'Other injuries suggested there had been penetration or attempted penetration of the vagina with something but Cassidy could not determine what that something was. She also couldn’t tell if Ana had been conscious at the time.'

So that's why it was aggrevated sexual assault as opposed to rape. To be honest I don't understand how Boy A has had not just his parents but both his grandfathers in with him every day and also yesterday. There's nothing to love about him? Nothing

Boy B knew a 5'8" tall girl would need to be taken down quickly and by surprise . He led her to the 'martial arts expert' who was waiting

Feisar

Somedaythefire wrote: »

We're not talking about dogs though. Do you see the irony in what you're saying?

No irony, the poster didn't kill a little girl.

Somedaythefire

Feisar wrote: »

No irony, the poster didn't kill a little girl.

They want two 14 year olds killed though.

weldoninhio

Somedaythefire wrote: »

We're not talking about dogs though. Do you see the irony in what you're saying?

None at all. The punishment should match the crime. Why should the taxpayer, including Ana's mother and father have to pay for the upkeep of the pondscum that did this to their daughter??

GarIT

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Their images are being shared. Can't people get in trouble for that?

Yes, a possible prison sentence for anyone caught. If you have evidence of it happening call the Gardaí non emergency number.

weldoninhio

tuxy wrote: »

Countries that have violent punisment tends to breed more violent crinmials. I understand that such punishment would make you happy but it's a big price to pay just for your pleasure.

There is a 0% recidivism rate for people who receive the death sentence.

Sunflower 27

Former Observer wrote: »

A lot of anger on here. I would agree with the previous poster that said principle punishment of prison is in the denial of freedom. Apart from this I believe inmates should be able to live with a certain degree of dignity. Access to books. Controlled access to media. Controlled access to exercise equipment. Simple but nutritious food etc.

You can judge a society by how they treat their prisoners.

That said. I wouldn't let either of them step outside a prison for twenty years minimum.

Very sad story anyway.

The thought that my tax money is paying for exercise equipment, access to media and decent food for the likes of these two is tough to swallow.

super_furry

weldoninhio wrote: »

None at all. The punishment should match the crime. Why should the taxpayer, including Ana's mother and father have to pay for the upkeep of the pondscum that did this to their daughter??

So you'd have been happy with the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four being executed?

Somedaythefire

Somedaythefire wrote: »

We're not talking about dogs though. Do you see the irony in what you're saying?

you probably need to stop equating these murderers with their victims

the use of the word 'irony' does this.

you might protest that it doesn't.

but it does.

everyone is more than capable of drawing a distinction between murder and capital punishment and the latter being an option as a reaction of the state against the former action by an individual against society

if you want to discuss that with them, its best imo that you do so without pretending they cannot.

Former Observer

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

The thought that my tax money is paying for exercise equipment, access to media and decent food for the likes of these two is tough to swallow.

On the contrary I should think that that is exactly what our tax money is for.

Tax write-offs for corporations is what you should be angry about.

tuxy

weldoninhio wrote: »

None at all. The punishment should match the crime. Why should the taxpayer, including Ana's mother and father have to pay for the upkeep of the pondscum that did this to their daughter??

Any half sane country with the death penalty also has an extensive appeal process. The death penaltt is by far the most expensive punishment.

Feisar

Somedaythefire wrote: »

They want two 14 year olds killed though.

It's about cutting out the cancer, even if that tumor comes in the guise of a 14 year old.

Look, I'll respectfully disagree with you and bow out at this stage. Neither of us is going to change the others mind on the topic.

I'd like to note I'm not sure I'd have convicted Boy B from the info I have. I'm not the mob baying for blood.

jam_mac_jam

weldoninhio wrote: »

None at all. The punishment should match the crime. Why should the taxpayer, including Ana's mother and father have to pay for the upkeep of the pondscum that did this to their daughter??

Because you don't save money by executing people. Have a look at the US.


Anyway, its not coming in Ireland, its never coming in so there is no point even talking about it.


The taxpayer pays to keep people in prison to ensure that they are not committing crime. I am very happy to pay for a very long time to keep these monsters off the street.

InTheShadows

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Their images are being shared. Can't people get in trouble for that?

Two different people in my workplace have received group chat messages with their pictures and names. One of them have been showing it around and i told her to be careful as technically she could be breaking the law. She just laughed and said who cares they are vile creatures which is hard to disagree with tbh.

facehugger99

optogirl wrote: »

So many hard men on here wanting to shoot, maim, hang two 13 year olds and in the same breath can't understand how these boys can have been so violent or aggressive. Maybe their Dads were the type to spout about the things the'yd like to do to anyone who they didn't agree with/like.

There is a whole genre of revenge thrillers that cater for these people.

It is nauseating to watch them jump up and down, attempting to out-emote each other on the level of bile they possess and their sick 'solutions'.

I hope the boys in question are removed from society for a long, long time and I believe that as they mature they will be haunted by what they did.

I feel very sorry for that poor girl and her parents - it is beyond imagining.

Having a frothed-up mob baying in the background does nothing to help them.

GarIT

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

The thought that my tax money is paying for exercise equipment, access to media and decent food for the likes of these two is tough to swallow.

That what the poster would like not what they are getting. Your tax money is paying for holidays to "recreational adventure centres", tayto park, fort Lucan, Dublin zoo, the type of place you'd go on a school trip, swimming lessons, and many other sports activities an innocent perosn could only dream of, weekly ice cream, a fry some mornings.

RiCriostoir

I could only read bits and pieces of this case. And to see some of the stuff that was done, and how she knew what was happening and tried to fight back through it. Her poor whole young life seemed to be miserable from being bullied and then got such a horrible death.

I hope to see when the boys both turn 18 that they are named, not for vigilante justice, but to just have their lives ruined. Both it will prob turn out the same way as Jamie Bulgers murderers, and given new identities.

GreeBo

Suckit wrote: »

Her mother said, Ana was very popular in primary school and loved it. She couldn't understand what had changed in secondary school

She hit adolescence and became a target because she was a tall, blonde, foreign, attractive & different girl.

tuxy

tuxy wrote: »

Any half sane country with the death penalty also has an extensive appeal process. The death penaltt is by far the most expensive punishment.

lets get idealistic and presume we can improve things

i think we can do it!

InTheShadows

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Because you don't save money by executing people. Have a look at the US.


Anyway, its not coming in Ireland, its never coming in so there is no point even talking about it.


The taxpayer pays to keep people in prison to ensure that they are not committing crime. I am very happy to pay for a very long time to keep these monsters off the street.

`We also need to stop taking up space in our prisons with low level crooks and non fine payers. Sending someone into a prison because they haven't paid a TV licence like ffs.

theguzman

RoboKlopp wrote: »

A quick death? That's the easy way out.

It brings closure, 100% effective and no reoffending, knowing these pieces of thrash are alive after what they did. We need to bring back the Death Penalty and use it, there is people beyond any sort of rehabilitation, humans are socialised animals, you have good and you have bad, there is a high risk that these will kill again when released so why allow someone else's life to be taken and families destroyed. It is not just this case but we should be hanging all murderers and paedophiles, in a proper society you make the perpetrators suffer for their crimes. There is no law and order or justice here with the disgusting short sentences, the death penalty should be used here again.

Grayson

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Their images are being shared. Can't people get in trouble for that?

I haven't seen them but I saw a guy on twitter saying he'd been sent 3 different hoto's of three different boys each saying it was boy A. And it was 4 different photos for boy b. So it's quite possible all the people sharing photos of the boys aren't even doing it.