Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

super_furry

weldoninhio wrote: »

They weren't guilty of anything. The British knew they were not guilty of anything, but omitted evidence.

They were found guilty of terrorism and murder. At the sentencing of the Birmingham Six, the judge bemoaned that the death penalty wasn't an option to him and if it was, they'd have been executed.

ohnonotgmail

gimli2112 wrote: »

probably not it just takes longer to execute innocent people at the moment

and the ones found innocent after multiple appeals? what about them? they're just collateral damage?

Woke Hogan

The people frothing at the mouth and rubbing their legs at the idea of executing or torturing these two boys need to realise that they're part of the problem regarding violence in society.

Grayson

theguzman wrote: »

The tiny amount of innocents who would die is a small price to pay to kill these people and the amount of lives the death penalty would save is far in excess of any innocent who may die. With modern methods it is highly unlikely that such mistakes would be made. Line them up and hang them and no thirty years on death row, hanging should be done within 1 week of sentencing.

Mistakes are made. Even with modern methods. And you've basically said you're ok with someone innocent being killed. That's messed up.

ohnonotgmail

weldoninhio wrote: »

They weren't guilty of anything. The British knew they were not guilty of anything, but omitted evidence. Do you think A & B were framed?? To what end??

If capital punishment existed in the UK at the time they would have been executed.

optogirl

optogirl wrote: »

No, as you know very well I was not equating the two. I was suggesting that a culture of aggression may have contributed to these boys skewed view on life.

i know only what you posted

the gaps you left open for rhetorical effect are better filled in imo

theguzman

nehemiah wrote: »

There's no way to ensure rehabilitation, in the same way that there is no way to ensure that every murder conviction is 100% correct, which is why the death penalty was removed in the first place.

FWIW, the recidivism rate in Ireland is at it's lowest amongst prisoners convicted of homicide. Can't find exactly the number of convicted murderers that kill again after being released but I would imagine it's very low. I'm sure it has happened (and I'm sure my ignorance will be highlighted pretty quickly) but it's much lower than the average recidivism rate.

super_furry wrote: »

Bull****. One wrongly executed innocent person is too high a price to pay.

The move away from the Death Penalty worldwide was driven by Left Wing politicians since their murdering supporters kept getting executed for their crimes. Franco, Mussolini, Pinochet etc. all executed thousands of communists for their attempts to overthrow civil society. The Left would rather society become Somalia rather than bring back the Death Penalty because they know Conservatives will gladly use it against them.

The UK will bring back the death penalty with a hard brexit looming and free of Brussels law you can see hanging being restored there in the next ten years.

Dontfadeaway

RiCriostoir wrote: »

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

This is why I said he didn't help himself and wasn't very smart when he described her.

I know, but to hear this a from 13 year old boy is scary...

Yeah it's very disturbing

Bigbagofcans

RiCriostoir wrote: »

I know, but to hear this a from 13 year old boy is scary...

Not surprising unfortunately. Most 11 year olds have watched inappropriate material on the net and have seen countless videos where women are degraded and described as s**ts.

Young innocent minds being corrupted and thinking this is how we treat women.

weldoninhio

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you would also be executing more innocent people.

How often do we have a crime like this one in Ireland?? There is literally zero chance it wasn't these two scumbags. Unless you think they have been framed??

super_furry

theguzman wrote: »

The move away from the Death Penalty worldwide was driven by Left Wing politicians since their murdering supporters kept getting executed for their crimes. Franco, Mussolini, Pinochet etc. all executed thousands of communists for their attempts to overthrow civil society. The Left would rather society become Somalia rather than bring back the Death Penalty because they know Conservatives will gladly use it against them.

Ahh right, I see now, you're a bit touched.

Good to know.

rgace

Somedaythefire wrote: »

Do you not see the irony in this?

Like imprisoning somebody for the crime of false imprisonment or fining somebody for stealing money?

yourdeadwright

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Capital punishment doesn't work because you have years and years of appeals in the US. You have people sitting on Death Row for 20 years.

If you limited it to one appeal and that was it, it would have a greater impact.

If you didn't have the appeals do you know In the last 10 years how many innocent people would have executed ? I don't know how many got off on appeal.

They reckon 4% of death row inmates are innocent that's means one in 25 that are killed are innocent,

In the states from 2008 - 2018 374 people where executed ,
That is 15 innocent people who where executed not to mention the ones who got off because of appeal

Feisar

Woke Hogan wrote: »

The people frothing at the mouth and rubbing their legs at the idea of executing or torturing these two boys need to realise that they're part of the problem regarding violence in society.

The hugs and kisses brigade need to realize that they're part of the problem regarding violence in society.

RiCriostoir

And to hear Mr. Gagebys last question to Ana's mother was to ask her to confirm that she had told the Gardai she found a condom under her daughters pillow, the week before her disappearance is absolutely disgraceful and he should be brought up on this. That even the slightest bit of interest or curious about sex and their sexuality can people some partial blame to the victim...

nehemiah

theguzman wrote: »

The move away from the Death Penalty worldwide was driven by Left Wing politicians since their murdering supporters kept getting executed for their crimes. Franco, Mussolini, Pinochet etc. all executed thousands of communists for their attempts to overthrow civil society. The Left would rather society become Somalia rather than bring back the Death Penalty because they know Conservatives will gladly use it against them.

The UK will bring back the death penalty with a hard brexit looming and free of Brussels law you can see hanging being restored there in the next ten years.

Good point, lefty communist countries like the USSR and China hate(d) the death penalty and refuse(d) to execute anyone, the cuck snowflakes.

gimli2112

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and the ones found innocent after multiple appeals? what about them? they're just collateral damage?

I'm not a fan of the death penalty, my point was it's flawed if it kills innocent people at all
paradoxically I have no issue with putting the guilty to death it's just the fact that not everyone found guilty actually is but that's a general comment not specific to this case

Edgware

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

Not surprising unfortunately. Most 11 year olds have watched inappropriate material on the net and have seen countless videos where women are degraded and described as s**ts.

Young innocent minds being corrupted and thinking this is how we treat women.

What about all those films where "Stepmom" takes advantage of the stepson while Dad is away on a business trip?

weldoninhio

super_furry wrote: »

They were found guilty of terrorism and murder. At the sentencing of the Birmingham Six, the judge bemoaned that the death penalty wasn't an option to him and if it was, they'd have been executed.

And the state had evidence that they were not guilty, but witheld it. The judge did not know this.

GreeBo

super_furry wrote: »

Who said anything about releasing them?

So locking an innocent person up for life is better than sentencing them to death?

I'd rather be dead than in a cell for the rest of my days, you?

ohnonotgmail

weldoninhio wrote: »

How often do we have a crime like this one in Ireland?? There is literally zero chance it wasn't these two scumbags. Unless you think they have been framed??

Enough so that we would more than likely end up executing somebody innocent. and you are asking for the execution of children. that puts you into a very select group that i would not want to be a part of.

weldoninhio

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If capital punishment existed in the UK at the time they would have been executed.

Do you believe the state has withheld evidence of the boys innocence in the case we are talking about in this thread??

ohnonotgmail

weldoninhio wrote: »

And the state had evidence that they were not guilty, but witheld it. The judge did not know this.

and yet despite this you are still in favour of the death penalty.

Feisar

RiCriostoir wrote: »

And to hear Mr. Gagebys last question to Ana's mother was to ask her to confirm that she had told the Gardai she found a condom under her daughters pillow, the week before her disappearance is absolutely disgraceful and he should be brought up on this. That even the slightest bit of interest or curious about sex and their sexuality can people some partial blame to the victim...

I'm sure it was done in the hope that some in the jury would think of Ana Kriegel as a slut who was asking for it. Leading on the poor boys who wanted Lego. Man was just doing his job, mounting the best defense he could.

MrFresh

weldoninhio wrote: »

And the state had evidence that they were not guilty, but witheld it. The judge did not know this.

They still would have been executed though wouldn't they?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Former Observer wrote: »

On the contrary I should think that that is exactly what our tax money is for.

Tax write-offs for corporations is what you should be angry about.

A false dilemma. Also if we didn’t have low tax for corporations then we would have less money to throw around on other stuff, if they left.

theguzman

nehemiah wrote: »

Good point, lefty communist countries like the USSR and China hate(d) the death penalty and refuse(d) to execute anyone, the cuck snowflakes.

Leftwing social democratic parties across Europe I was alluding to, you know the leftist SJW types who hate their own countries. The Macrons and Jeremy Corbyns of this world.

optogirl

Feisar wrote: »

The hugs and kisses brigade need to realize that they're part of the problem regarding violence in society.

So you think these boys have had too many hugs in their lives? I doubt it somehow

yourdeadwright

RiCriostoir wrote: »

And to hear Mr. Gagebys last question to Ana's mother was to ask her to confirm that she had told the Gardai she found a condom under her daughters pillow, the week before her disappearance is absolutely disgraceful and he should be brought up on this. That even the slightest bit of interest or curious about sex and their sexuality can people some partial blame to the victim...

Don't forget Mr. Gagebys is working for the defendant so if the boys or the parents knew about this they may have pressed him in to bringing it up or maybe he done it himself , we don't know

Standman

Feisar wrote: »

The hugs and kisses brigade need to realize that they're part of the problem regarding violence in society.

Sick burn and all, but it's not an either-or choice.