Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

lawred2

Spook_ie wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-mark-field-under-fire-after-grabbing-protester-by-neck-11745967

Should they be charging him with assault or not, should he be made to resign, given the shooting of MP Jo Cox, the "joke" of throwing acid and other things I think not, peaceful protest doesn't mean rushing up to a top table of "dignatories"

Who else would be to blame?

Society?

ILoveYourVibes

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Right to protest at a private event? Do you agree with protests at politicians homes also?

The right to protest peacefully needs to be protected.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

The right to protest peacefully needs to be protected.

As does the right to a peaceful private event.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As does the right to a peaceful private event.

I agree its a balance.


But the thing is it WAS peaceful until he did what he did.

Irish Guitarist

She doesn't need to be armed to be a threat. She could easily have walked up to one of the women and gave them a punch in the face or something.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

But the thing is it WAS peaceful until he did what he did.

Still a private event which she had no right to be at and he was not privy to her intentions. He responded to a threat next time she might get a far more forceful response.

Tell me how

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

She doesn't need to be armed to be a threat. She could easily have walked up to one of the women and gave them a punch in the face or something.

FFS.
So could every person at every time, including those sitting there at the event.

Whats your point?

ILoveYourVibes

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

She doesn't need to be armed to be a threat. She could easily have walked up to one of the women and gave them a punch in the face or something.

:pac:

Punch the women to save the women?

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Still a private event which she had no right to be at and he was not privy to her intentions. He responded to a threat next time she might get a far more forceful response.

Why didn't the police ask her for ID then? Or stop her?

They could have.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Why didn't the police ask her for ID then? Or stop her?

Irrelevant question.

Jimbob1977

Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi was killed by a woman offering him flowers.

And a bomb.

Mrsmum

I think his reaction in the moment was an overreaction. And once he had started he probably felt he had to see it through. In hindsight I think he will see he was too rough. But there is no need for a huge drama over it either. A mea culpa apology from him to her and move on.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Irrelevant question.

It's not. She went through security and a metal detector.

She must have had a ticket or something.

ILoveYourVibes

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi was killed by a woman offering him flowers.

And a bomb.

A metal detector would have detected that.

Irish Guitarist

Tell me how wrote: »

FFS.
So could every person at every time, including those sitting there at the event.

Whats your point?

What a stupid fucking question. She marched out of nowhere and no one had any idea what her intention was.

suicide_circus

if i were big, tough and committed enough to stage such a protest i wouldn't cry about it if i got a judo chop to the wind pipe.

The Bishop Basher

Mrsmum wrote: »

I think his reaction in the moment was an overreaction. And once he had started he probably felt he had to see it through. In hindsight I think he will see he was too rough. But there is no need for a huge drama over it either. A mea culpa apology from him to her and move on.

I think you’ve probably nailed it..

Tell me how

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

What a stupid fucking question. She marched out of nowhere and no one had any idea what her intention was.

Wrong. Again.
The group of protestors had already been speaking outside the hall for several minutes.

She wasn't even the first to enter the room. What point were you trying to make or was it just more whataboutery?

Allinall

She got what she wanted- attention, and what she deserved- a bit of a roughing up.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

It's not. She went through security and a metal detector.

It is the MP was not aware of her intentions, to him she was a threat and he responded, justified in my opinion.

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

She must have had a ticket or something.

Bull.

suicide_circus

Allinall wrote: »

She got what she wanted- attention, and what she deserved- a bit of a roughing up.

Protesters use to stand in front of tanks, set themselves on fire and smear the walls with feces. Now its front page news if one gets "manhandled".

vetinari

It must be terrifying for some the posters here to leave their house.
Threats everywhere! Who knows if the guy sitting next to you on the bus might punch you?
I don't think there's enough of a history of peaceful protesters actually being terrorists in Britain to justify viewing them as a threat.

Irish Guitarist

Tell me how wrote: »

Wrong. Again.
The group of protestors had already been speaking outside the hall for several minutes.

She wasn't even the first to enter the room. What point were you trying to make or was it just more whataboutery?

What's your point?

Plumbthedepths

On RTE news now. Bunch of gob****es. Peaceful protest, lol.

Tell me how

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

What's your point?

That you are talking nonsense suggesting that she could have attacked anyone and therefore deserved to be manhandled as she was.

Irish Guitarist

Tell me how wrote: »

That you are talking nonsense suggesting that she could have attacked anyone and therefore deserved to be manhandled as she was.

What's your point?

Once again both sides are going completely over the top:

"Oh you guys must be so scared of women"

"She could have had a gun"

What happened was a silly bint was somewhere she was not supposed to be and was going to make a scene.

There were high profile people there and the woman was making her way there.

An MP saw this, took her by the scruff of her neck and walked her out.

Jobs a good un. No harm done.

She was an idiot, he was a little bit too aggressive, go about your day.

****ing lunacy of him having to apologise. What a funny world this has become

ILoveYourVibes

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

What a stupid fucking question. She marched out of nowhere and no one had any idea what her intention was.

No there was a group all with the greenpeace sash. She wore it too. They did know in fairness. The police would not have let her in otherwise.

I think you have to apply to be able to protest there.

ILoveYourVibes

vetinari wrote: »

It must be terrifying for some the posters here to leave their house.
Threats everywhere! Who knows if the guy sitting next to you on the bus might punch you?
I don't think there's enough of a history of peaceful protesters actually being terrorists in Britain to justify viewing them as a threat.

lol

Tell me how

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

What's your point?

Well, this is about the level of maturity in the discussion I expected.

Shemale

biko wrote: »

Real men handle problem themselves.

Real men dont grab women for no reason

Plumbthedepths

Shemale wrote:

Real men dont grab women for no reason

Protester invades private function, gets owned by guest, gender is irrelevant.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote:

Protester invades private function, gets owned by guest, gender is irrelevant.

Great point. He should have identified as a woman for 30 seconds. Problem solved.

Jamiekelly

punisher5112 wrote: »

We need more people like him to be honest....

To many getting away with everything because the others are afraid to do what's right....

He didn't hurt her and didn't grab her by the throat.... He did however hold the back of her neck to guide her out....

If he punched her for example then that would be an issue but I see absolutely no issues with stopping her...

Honestly.....what......we......clearly.......need......is......more.......dots......in......our.....lives......lovely......round......tiny......dots......

Shemale

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Stop making it worse culture is bad enough.


MAN UP

Wouldnt manning up be toxic :rolleyes:

#feministsareneverwrongevenwhentheylie

ILoveYourVibes

Shemale wrote: »

Real men dont grab women for no reason

Thank you.

ILoveYourVibes

Shemale wrote: »

Wouldnt manning up be toxic ##ffs

It depends really on context.

elperello

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No there was a group all with the greenpeace sash. She wore it too. They did know in fairness. The police would not have let her in otherwise.

I think you have to apply to be able to protest there.

If he knew she was Greenpeace he was definitely in the wrong.
Nobody could have risen to his position in government without being aware that the Greenpeace credo for almost 50 years is non-violent direct action.

whiskeyman

vetinari wrote: »

It must be terrifying for some the posters here to leave their house.
Threats everywhere! Who knows if the guy sitting next to you on the bus might punch you?
.

I wouldn't expect it from a guy on a bus as he's expected to be there.

If that unknown guy gets into my privately owned car, which I assume was securely locked where I'm not expecting him, I'm going to be concerned about what he's doing and I may react.

lawred2

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Protester invades private function, gets owned by guest, gender is irrelevant.

Uuggh... 'owned'...

the_syco

suicide_circus wrote: »

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

Pretty much this. If she didn't want to be stopped, she shouldn't have worn a bright red dress with a climate change sash.

Timberrrrrrrr

Mr.Maroon wrote: »

But she didn't start a fight with him, she was walking by him. He jumped up from his seat and attacked her.

No


He really didn't.

elperello

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No


He really didn't.

OK let's all look at the clip again.

ILoveYourVibes

elperello wrote: »

OK let's all look at the clip again.

We need MORE than that. We need historically accurate re-enactments!

Timberrrrrrrr

elperello wrote: »

OK let's all look at the clip again.

I don't need to, there is no "attack"

Sonny noggs

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Once again both sides are going completely over the top:

"Oh you guys must be so scared of women"

"She could have had a gun"

What happened was a silly bint was somewhere she was not supposed to be and was going to make a scene.

There were high profile people there and the woman was making her way there.

An MP saw this, took her by the scruff of her neck and walked her out.

Jobs a good un. No harm done.

She was an idiot, he was a little bit too aggressive, go about your day.

****ing lunacy of him having to apologise. What a funny world this has become

Good call on the ‘silly bint’, hopefully that’ll learn her to expect a response if she provokes someone.

lawred2

A woman making a scene.. how ghastly

cj maxx

Complete non-event and media trying to make a story out of it

TCM

Well done to that MP.
That protester could have been carrying a bomb or some type of weapon with lethal intentions on mind. She might for example have intended to throw acid over the man.
Why should she have been treated any differently than a man would. If in fact it had been a man, would possibly been wrestled to the floor and arrested.
I congratulate the MP on his swift intervention.
Finally, women whinge about inequality, well this one gained a degree of equality for sure. Perhaps she'll think again before she acts in such an idiotic manner next time she feels entitled.

lawred2

cjmc wrote: »

Complete non-event and media trying to make a story out of it

It's not though is it!?