Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

ILoveYourVibes

listermint wrote: »

I know yeah. Walking into a dinner party in dinner attire. Not shouting but calmly talking about climate policy.

It's just like you know..... Extreme. It should be met with extreme force.

Especially.... In this day and age of fear and more fear and division


Division



Division
.

I am not talking about THIS incident. But greenpeace are extreme though.

Their actions are extreme
It doesn't justify his reaction though.

Two wrongs don't make a right. They make totalitarianism.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

He's actually very smart, although he plays the buffoon quite well.

He's not I know someone who had to work with him.

He is really a buffoon.

listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What the fuk is "defence zoning" and why do you think I like Tories? And I'm one of the post pro-EU posters on here.

This reminds of that time you accused me of mocking my girlfriend for using the actual medical term for what she has. 10 seconds of research would have told you how fuking stupid you were about to sound. No apology yet.


See, listermint. If you just post of feelings, you end up sounding like a wanker.

I can't keep up with you you're a flip flopper. And I've no idea what you are talking about with your girlfriend and terminology you used.

end of the road

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The above is your opinion only. Hindsight is great isn't it?

not simply my opinion, but the likely reality given what we know and given the video and what is contained within it.

runawaybishop wrote: »

Nope, it's not assault if acting in self defense or the defense of others. By either definition.

for which there is so far, nothing to show that he was acting in such a capacity.

Danzy wrote: »

She isn't going to press charges because she knows she hasn't a leg to stand on and if they charged her it would be a clear conviction.

the police could still charge her if she committed a crime, regardless of whether she would or wouldn't press charges. so i would think the possibility of being charged and convicted for a crime, would be unlikely to be the reason for her not pressing charges, as not pressing charges won't get her off any potential charges if she were to face any.

runawaybishop wrote: »

We don't have to argue anything, it's already been stated.

He called the presence of the Greenpeace activists a “major security breach,” adding: “In the confusion many guests understandably felt threatened and when one protester rushed past me towards the top table I instinctively reacted. I was for a split-second genuinely worried she might have been armed.

He thought she was going to assault someone, he had lawful reason to use force to stop her.

that is just a statement he made. it isn't proof that he genuinely believed what he is claiming he believed.
he may have believed it and he may be covering his backside. either way he will have to show that he was warrented to believe what he claimed i would suspect.

listermint

listermint wrote:

I'm calling them a sad version of the alt right.

Ok.

listermint wrote:

Read a book the odd time. You might pick something up.

Cheers man. I appreciate the advice.

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

And people are just RUDE to each other.

Your passive aggressive tone is horrendously rude.

listermint wrote:

It's just like you know..... Extreme. It should be met with extreme force.

Wut?

listermint wrote:

Especially.... In this day and age of fear and more fear and division

listermint wrote:

Division

listermint wrote:

Division .

Calm down

Junkyard Tom

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

In the US the right went off on one....now the left with the likes of Cortez is pulling harder to the extreme left in reaction

Don't buy the utter nonsense that AO Cortez is in any way 'extreme left'. Cortez would be a regular Social Democrat in Europe where the policies she espouses are the norm.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

He's not I know someone who had to work with him.

Oh you know someone that had to work for him, ah that makes your claim fact so. ;-)

Plumbthedepths

end of the road wrote:

not simply my opinion.

It is though.

end of the road

Madeleine Refined Martian wrote: »

completely wrong.
an mp was murdered in england not so long ago, more have seriously assaulted like george calloway, and just lately politicians have has items thrown at them and the comedian jo brand encourages throwing battery acid at people.

jo branddid not encourage anyone to throw acid at or over anyone. she was very clear in what she said and that she did not condone such actions.

Madeleine Refined Martian wrote: »

add to this that he is not a trained security professional and there it would be impossible to prosecute him for assault.

the fact he isn't trained as a security professional does not make it impossible to prosecute him for assault.

Madeleine Refined Martian wrote: »

So let his constituency decide whether he keeps his job not the social media mob.

his constituents can decide if they wish for him to continue representing them, however his current party have a right to decide if they wish to be associated with him, and whether he should be able to continue to be a member of the party. as even if his constituents do support him and want him to continue representing them, enough of the party membership may not want him representing people under their banner.

Junkyard Tom

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

He's actually very smart, although he plays the buffoon quite well.

He's an idiot who is the personification of the Dunning Kruger effect:

Boris' ambition sometimes exceeded his ability, [Andrew Gilmour said] of their time at Eton: ‘Genius musician Paul Richardson won the piano competition every year except one. Boris found this insufferable.

‘He took up the piano, thinking he’d win it next year. He had no idea how difficult the piano was. He had such confidence in his own ability he just thought he’d come sailing in.’

dailymail.co.uk/news

ILoveYourVibes

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

He's an idiot who is the personification of the Dunning Kruger effect:

Boris' ambition sometimes exceeded his ability, [Andrew Gilmour said] of their time at Eton: ‘Genius musician Paul Richardson won the piano competition every year except one. Boris found this insufferable.

‘He took up the piano, thinking he’d win it next year. He had no idea how difficult the piano was. He had such confidence in his own ability he just thought he’d come sailing in.’

dailymail.co.uk/news

Sounds about right.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Oh you know someone that had to work for him, ah that makes your claim fact so. ;-)

Had to work with him. My Dad. And yes he IS an idiot.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Had to work with him. My Dad. And yes he IS an idiot.

Why do I think your lying. ;-)

Dante7

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Why do I think your lying. ;-)

Because you have an inbuilt prejudice regarding this topic.

Plumbthedepths

Dante7 wrote:

Because you have an inbuilt prejudice regarding this topic.

No prejudice here dude, also I don't feel the need to tell porkies to anonymous posters on the internet.

Dante7

Dante7 wrote:

Because you have an inbuilt prejudice regarding this topic.

Would it be acceptable for a woman to stop a man in the same manner? If he had stopped a man rushing a top table in the same manner would it have been unacceptable?

Sleeper12

Deleted User wrote:

Would it be acceptable for a woman to stop a man in the same manner? If he had stopped a man rushing a top table in the same manner would it have been unacceptable?

Your terminology is brilliant. Rushing no less. Walking at a smart pace at best.

I don't believe he has the balls to try stop a man.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Why do I think your lying. ;-)

I'm not. My father has worked with several well known figures over the years. He has worked in media law in the UK and Ireland. He has also worked for the BBC and RTE.

It's not like he knows him personally. But professionally he did briefly.

He did work for the Tory party.

Plumbthedepths

Sleeper12 wrote:

I don't believe he has the balls to try stop a man.

How do you know?

Sleeper12

Sleeper12 wrote:

I don't believe he has the balls to try stop a man.

How many "balls" does it take to stop a man?

Ridiculous.

In fact, I think it takes more "balls" to stop a woman in this day and age.

He found out the hard way.

Women are equal until they arent.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No prejudice here dude, also I don't feel the need to tell porkies to anonymous posters on the internet.

People seem to think Boris Johnson is a mean person masquerading as a joke to get away with things.



They think behind that he is competent as a departmental minister. He isn't.

He was a terrible foreign secretary.

Remember his gaff that almost lost the journalist her life in Iran? The Iranians USED his exact words in court. They doubled her sentence. Even though what he had said was obviously not true.

Worst foreign minister ever.

He never discusses substance in meetings he just makes jokes.

He claimed to be able to speak french FLUENTLY he couldn't even read from a speech written by someone else in french when he had to give a speech in paris. He BUTCHERED the language and he only had to read it. But yet he speaks latin french and italian FLUENTLY. :rolleyes:

Everyone was trying to persuade him just to do the first introduction in french and the rest in English. He wasn't having it. 'I speak french ' etc ..it was CRINGEY!.

He really is an idiot!

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

People seem to think Boris Johnson is a mean person masquerading as a joke to get away with things.

Your tirade here has got absolutely what to do with the topic?

Sleeper12

Plumbthedepths wrote:

How do you know?

I didn't say I know that. I said that I believed that. Two totally different things. One is certainty & the other is a personal belief.

I believe if he genuinely thought she had a weapon then he would have cowered under the table. I believe that if it was a bigger man than him rather than a smaller woman than him that he wouldn't have hit him

the_syco

Deleted User wrote: »

Women are equal until they arent.

Women are equal until they find it better to be seen as weak.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Your tirade here has got absolutely what to do with the topic?

So?

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

So?

Why is it relevant to this topic?

listermint

the_syco wrote: »

Women are equal until they find it better to be seen as weak.

Guess I was just raised not to hit women or grab them by the throat.

And then make excuses for those that do. And those that use equality crap to make it ok for them to strike women


But sure look , different strokes.


Or different upbringings, I know which I prefer. Thanks dad.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is it relevant to this topic?

Someone else brought up Johnson.

ILoveYourVibes

listermint wrote: »

Guess I was just raised not to hit women or grab them by the throat.

And then make excuses for those that do. And those that use equality crap to make it ok for them to strike women


But sure look , different strokes.


Or different upbringings, I know which I prefer. Thanks dad.

There is something different going on with Irish mothers and boys in the last ten yrs. Too much molly coddling.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

He really is an idiot!

Yet he is on the path to becoming the next British PM, go figure.

Plumbthedepths

Sleeper12 wrote:

I didn't say I know that. I said that I believed that. Two totally different things. One is certainty & the other is a personal belief.

So clueless basically, ie making up crap.

listermint

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So clueless basically, ie making up crap.

If leo grabbed a woman by the throat and threw her out of a fg party


You'd be in this thread spouting different things.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yet he is on the path to becoming the next British PM, go figure.

Says a lot really.

nw5iytvs0lf1uz

elperello wrote: »

Jo Brand did not encourage throwing battery acid at people.
His constituency will decide if he is re-elected as an MP.
His job as a junior minister is in the gift of the PM.

Yes she did
Yes they will
No it is not
3 strikes and your out

listermint

Madeleine Refined Martian wrote: »

Yes she did
Yes they will
No it is not
3 strikes and your out

Shift change

Plumbthedepths

listermint wrote:

If leo grabbed a woman by the throat and threw her out of a fg party

'If' my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

nw5iytvs0lf1uz

listermint wrote: »

Shift change

No thanks I never pay

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Says a lot really.

It does actually, it shows he's not the idiot you and others think he is. Calculating and clever. He watched what the public mood was before he declared his position before the Brexit ref. Also a Tory getting elected twice as mayor of London is quite an achievement.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It does actually, it shows he's not the idiot you and others think he is. Calculating and clever. He watched what the public mood was before he declared his position before the Brexit ref. Also a Tory getting elected twice as mayor of London is quite an achievement.

He is not. Who claims they are fluent in french and can't even read it?

What foreign minister helps Iran to imprison a journalist?

He basically battered the UK's relationship with the US.

If he was smart he wouldn't put his head on the chopping block for this job.

Anyone going for UK PM right now is like a lamb to the slaughter.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

He is not. Who claims they are fluent in french and can't even read it?

The party membership doesn't care

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

What foreign minister helps Iran to imprison a journalist?

See above

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

He basically battered the UK's relationship with the US.

See above

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

If he was smart he wouldn't put his head on the chopping block for this job.

See above

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Anyone going for UK PM right now is like a lamb to the slaughter.

All politicians see the top job as the ultimate goal no matter it's term.
Enda Kenny prize example.

Somebody entered a meeting/dinner which they weren't invited. Their group intended to cause a scene. Most if the group were prevented from doing so. One rogue member alluded security and almost managed to get to the main table. One man saw this and stopped her by pushing her backwards against a pillar and restraining her by the back of the neck until she posed no threat to the main table...

What have I missed?

Plumbthedepths

Deleted User wrote:

What have I missed?

Nothing if you're not a snowflake or a SJW.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nothing if you're not a snowflake or a SJW.

Why call people names ?

hill16bhoy

Ah yes, the mantra of "conservatism" - assault is bad, unless you're a posh, straight, white Tory, in which case, assault all the women you want.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Why call people names ?

At least I didn't write troll, which you have been accused of elsewhere.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

At least I didn't write troll, which you have been accused of elsewhere.

:rolleyes:

Nope really just being myself.

You are just being nasty and it's not just to me.

At least I am kind to people.

ILoveYourVibes

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Ah yes, the mantra of "conservatism" - assault is bad, unless you're a posh, straight, white Tory, in which case, assault all the women you want.

I actually don't think they are conservatives or leftists.

Society has just lost any sense of decorum and manners in the last few years.

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

You are just being nasty and it's not just to me.

You confuse nasty with honesty. I have seen your posts over several threads. I have never referred to you as a 'troll' however several others have.

ILoveYourVibes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You confuse nasty with honesty. I have seen your posts over several threads. I have never referred to you as a 'troll' however several others have.

I am not.
That has been established.


Why you notice me over several threads I don't know. But it's not really relevant to this topic is it?

I'm different. I think differently. You think differently.

Maybe we just come from very different worlds or mindsets.

I can't always promise we will agree on everything. But I promise I will try and treat you with respect. I might fail sometimes but I will try.

I hope you will do the same.

How is that?

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

I am not. That has been established.

Whatever you say darling, ;-)