Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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Deleted User wrote: »

in turn i agree with your angle that he did overreact and its not seemly behaviour from him.

ive no idea how its rumbling on tbh

Its not really. Outside of this thread that is....

Boris decided to take the heat off Mr Field.

runawaybishop

joe40 wrote: »

Ok up to a point, but if he did not think there was a genuine threat then he over reacted. The only excuse would be if he thought there was an actual threat.
A lot of posters claiming that was his mindset although the mp himself never claimed that he thought there was an actual threat.

He stated he thought she was a threat, it's in all the initial articles.

JohnMc1

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

The daft lass for causing a scene. Plus she may have had weapons. Safety first !

Exactly. Alot of these protesters act more like terrorists. You can't run up to someone because they don't follow your political dogma, hurl abuse at them and their families and then around and claim "peaceful protester" when it backfires. She got off easy. Anybody else would have made her pick her teeth off the floor.

elperello

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Exactly. Alot of these protesters act more like terrorists. You can't run up to someone because they don't follow your political dogma, hurl abuse at them and their families and then around and claim "peaceful protester" when it backfires. She got off easy. Anybody else would have made her pick her teeth off the floor.

For a start she did not act like a terrorist.
She did not hurl abuse at anyone.

Do you really think anyone in that hall would have been justified in committing GBH on her?

gctest50

elperello wrote: »

For a start she did not act like a terrorist.
She did not hurl abuse at anyone.

...

This one didn't act like a terrorist either
She did not hurl abuse at anyone. :

Spook_ie wrote: »

The MP told the court that when she came in she didn't sit down and continued walking towards him.

He said: "She looked friendly. She was smiling, if I remember rightly" before she "lunged at me with her right hand".

"I think I knew that I had been stabbed although I didn't feel anything and I can't recall actually seeing a knife but I think I said 'She has a knife' or words to that effect."

Source

elperello wrote: »

.......
Do you really think anyone in that hall would have been justified in committing GBH on her?

Hindsight is 20/20

Homer

elperello wrote: »

Do you really think anyone in that hall would have been justified in committing GBH on her?

Exaggerate much :rolleyes:

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JohnMc1 wrote: »

Exactly. Alot of these protesters act more like terrorists. You can't run up to someone because they don't follow your political dogma, hurl abuse at them and their families and then around and claim "peaceful protester" when it backfires. She got off easy. Anybody else would have made her pick her teeth off the floor.

Can you give an example from a reasonable democracy where a protester was made pick their teeth up off the floor or is it wishful thinking on your part?

elperello

Homer wrote: »

Exaggerate much :rolleyes:

What would you call knocking out her teeth as mentioned by the other poster?

Homer

elperello wrote: »

What would you call knocking out her teeth as mentioned by the other poster?

Jesus.. Nobodys teeth were knocked out?!

elperello

Homer wrote: »

Jesus.. Nobodys teeth were knocked out?!

I know that.

I was responding to the other poster who said

"She got off easy. Anybody else would have made her pick her teeth off the floor."

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Homer wrote: »

Jesus.. Nobodys teeth were knocked out?!

Read the last few posts to get context Homer. Nobody said teeth were knocked out last week.

JohnMc1

elperello wrote: »

For a start she did not act like a terrorist.
She did not hurl abuse at anyone.

Do you really think anyone in that hall would have been justified in committing GBH on her?

I'm talking about in general. Not just this incidence. Besides I thought we were in the age of equality?

elperello

JohnMc1 wrote: »

I'm talking about in general. Not just this incidence. Besides I thought we were in the age of equality?

So in general you think it's ok to knock someones teeth out for protesting?

Equality to be battered?

JohnMc1

elperello wrote: »

So in general you think it's ok to knock someones teeth out for protesting?

Equality to be battered?

If someone tried to ambush style protest me while I was out with my family you better have your health insurance payments up to date. You're not going to scare them and think you'll walk away in one piece.

elperello

JohnMc1 wrote: »

If someone tried to ambush style protest me while I was out with my family you better have your health insurance payments up to date. You're not going to scare them and think you'll walk away in one piece.

This was not an ambush style protest on someone out with their family.

It was a function in a publicly owned building and the protesters offered no violence to anyone.

You said - "She got off easy. Anybody else would have made her pick her teeth off the floor."

Are you standing by that or not?

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JohnMc1 wrote: »

If someone tried to ambush style protest me while I was out with my family you better have your health insurance payments up to date. You're not going to scare them and think you'll walk away in one piece.

Oooh. Everyone's tough on the internet.

biko

I have a black belt in Karate











maybe

Spook_ie

I see earlier in the thread that it is claimed that the protesters were metal screened, therefore there couldn't have been any knives etc. anyone have a link to that as I can't find any reports of it on Google?

Did the protesters by pass the first line of security, checking tickets etc. or did they just walk past security?

Seems to be lots of assertions and plenty of 20/20 hindsight but little in factual information about the security breach.

Spook_ie

Found this

Outside, the corporation's officials were trying to make sense of how the protesters got in.

The consensus was that an insider had opened a side door to the protesters.

The fact that the protesters had apparently even known what the hostesses at the dinner were wearing, so as to blend in, points to a degree of planning and inside knowledge.

This is a cause for concern.

So would seem that they hadn't gone through any metal detectors, which leaves the opinions of several posters that there was no threat because of the metal detectors as a grasping at thin air argument.

Sleeper12

Oh I do love boards. First we had this comment

Spook_ie wrote: »

Seems to be lots of assertions and plenty of 20/20 hindsight but little in factual information about the security breach.

Seven minutes later the same poster posts this with no factual information

Spook_ie wrote: »

Found this


So would seem that they hadn't gone through any metal detectors, which leaves the opinions of several posters that there was no threat because of the metal detectors as a grasping at thin air argument.

:pac::pac::pac:

joe40

Spook_ie wrote: »

Found this


So would seem that they hadn't gone through any metal detectors, which leaves the opinions of several posters that there was no threat because of the metal detectors as a grasping at thin air argument.

This is from the piece you linked, written by someone who was there. The MP involved did not think there was an actual threat at the time. To his credit he has not claimed that as a justification.

They also distributed leaflets headed: "The speech we need in a climate emergency."
The interruption was moderately unsettling but it quickly became clear, mercifully, that this was not a violent protest.

Image: Mr Hammond's speech was interrupted
The treatment of the protesters that I witnessed was pretty gentle, to say the least, with most of the women being escorted from the room being taken out by other women.
I did not see the incident involving the MP, Mark Field, who was at the opposite end of the hall.
But I saw very little evidence of heavy-handedness.
The guests remained remarkably calm.
Most were bemused by the demonstration.
Contrary to what some people might think, most City folk are pretty liberal types.
Most of the guests who will have been in attendance are senior people in their jobs, by and large middle-aged men and women, who will no doubt in many cases, as they watched the protesters, have thought back fondly to the days when they too might have been protesters or student agitators.
Many will have sons or daughters at college and who come home at weekends and habitually lecture them on climate change.
They are aware of the climate change issue and will, in many cases, be engaged with tackling it as part of their jobs.
Accordingly, they were quite happy for the protesters to say their piece, provided they didn't ramble on.
It was only when the protest looked like going on for more than a few minutes that a few guests started to lose patience with them and began to heckle.
Yet the whole affair seemed rather good-natured and typically English.

Spook_ie

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Oh I do love boards. First we had this comment



Seven minutes later the same poster posts this with no factual information



:pac::pac::pac:

I said that there doesn't appear to be any links to factual information, however, I did find a link that seems to point to the protesters by passing security, yes it's conjecture rather than factual but more than I've seen posted by posters asserting they passed metal detectors.

Spook_ie

joe40 wrote: »

This is from the piece you linked, written by someone who was there. The MP involved did not think there was an actual threat at the time. To his credit he has not claimed that as a justification.

They also distributed leaflets headed: "The speech we need in a climate emergency."
The interruption was moderately unsettling but it quickly became clear, mercifully, that this was not a violent protest.

Image: Mr Hammond's speech was interrupted
The treatment of the protesters that I witnessed was pretty gentle, to say the least, with most of the women being escorted from the room being taken out by other women.
I did not see the incident involving the MP, Mark Field, who was at the opposite end of the hall.
But I saw very little evidence of heavy-handedness.
The guests remained remarkably calm.
Most were bemused by the demonstration.
Contrary to what some people might think, most City folk are pretty liberal types.
Most of the guests who will have been in attendance are senior people in their jobs, by and large middle-aged men and women, who will no doubt in many cases, as they watched the protesters, have thought back fondly to the days when they too might have been protesters or student agitators.
Many will have sons or daughters at college and who come home at weekends and habitually lecture them on climate change.
They are aware of the climate change issue and will, in many cases, be engaged with tackling it as part of their jobs.
Accordingly, they were quite happy for the protesters to say their piece, provided they didn't ramble on.
It was only when the protest looked like going on for more than a few minutes that a few guests started to lose patience with them and began to heckle.
Yet the whole affair seemed rather good-natured and typically English.

If he believed there was a threat isn't my point, rather that people posted the protesters went through metal detectors where as the writer of the article seems to think that they entered via a side door opened by an insider thereby bypassing all security procedures.

Faugheen

He didn’t believe in any threat.

Flat Earth style nonsense being spouted in here.

gctest50

Spook_ie wrote: »

I see earlier in the thread that it is claimed that the protesters were metal screened therefore there couldn't have been any knives etc..........

Except non-metallic "non-detectable" knives :


https://www.osograndeknives.com/catalog/knives/rough-rider-g10-pack-knife-non-metalic-non-detectable-3.0-inch-g-10-blade-rr1814-29502.html

The shopping-centre ninja's dream


and this with a cruciform blade.....have fun stitching that one up :

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gctest50 wrote: »

Except non-metallic "non-detectable" knives :


https://www.osograndeknives.com/catalog/knives/rough-rider-g10-pack-knife-non-metalic-non-detectable-3.0-inch-g-10-blade-rr1814-29502.html

The shopping-centre ninja's dream


and this with a cruciform blade.....have fun stitching that one up :

Every single person you meet, every day, could have one of these on them. How do you determine whether or not to ensure you are not attacked when on the bus? Or the street? Or at work?

elperello

Greenpeace protest.
Greenpeace - non violent direct action since 1971.