Why I am not a feminist and don't believe in 'equality'.

bloodless_coup

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

"Don't be a dick" what with the sh1tty misogyny.

What was misogynistic about it?

Aufbau

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I dont think anyone taking time off work for kids or anything else should get a free pass to just rejoin the workforce at the same pay/level as somebody who dedicated their whole time to their career.

I think the idea is that they rejoin at the same level as they left it. Why shouldn't they? The person who stayed working has risen to a higher level by then if they're any good.

Maybe you're right though. Maybe someone who takes time out to have children that replenish society should have their goodwill and sacrifice rewarded by higher pay when they rejoin the workforce, to make up for the financial disadvantage they've experienced.

Eric Cartman

Aufbau wrote: »

I think the idea is that they rejoin at the same level as they left it. Why shouldn't they? The person who stayed working has risen to a higher level by then if they're any good.

Maybe you're right though. Maybe someone who takes time out to have children that replenish society should have their goodwill and sacrifice rewarded by higher pay when they rejoin the workforce, to make up for the financial disadvantage they've experienced.

Thats what happens now, but many feminists rally against. Its the ‘wage gap’ they talk about which is almost non existant before children,

Many feminists want a woman who takes 18 months off to have 2 kids and then leave work early / take days for every little cough their kids have to be cent for cent as well paid as a man who will be in every day, go on every busoness trip and has never taken any extended time off.

Thats unfair.

Aufbau

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats what happens now, but many feminists rally against. Its the ‘wage gap’ they talk about which is almost non existant before children,

Many feminists want a woman who takes 18 months off to have 2 kids and then leave work early / take days for every little cough their kids have to be cent for cent as well paid as a man who will be in every day, go on every busoness trip and has never taken any extended time off.

Thats unfair.

You mean if he's doing the same job as she is?

And he's been paid his full salary/wages for the time he was working?

Sounds like you think employers should pay according to loyalty as in the old public service method of promotion according to experience.

Neyite

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Better ability to share parental leave any way the couple wants, would help address this. Instead of describing the carer career disadvantage in terms of gender (women are the ones with the option to take maternity leave - clue is in the title). It should be parental leave.

It should be. Ideally it should be a minimum of 6 weeks post partum leave to go to the mother and if the OBGYN is happy she's made a full recovery physically the remainder of the leave could be split between a couple.



But...Maternity leave length correlates to the WHO minimum recommended length of breastfeeding though. So breastfeeding rates will fall if women go back to work earlier than that despite people's best intentions.

El_Duderino 09

Neyite wrote: »

It should be. Ideally it should be a minimum of 6 weeks post partum leave to go to the mother and if the OBGYN is happy she's made a full recovery physically the remainder of the leave could be split between a couple.



But...Maternity leave length correlates to the WHO minimum recommended length of breastfeeding though. So breastfeeding rates will fall if women go back to work earlier than that despite people's best intentions.

If WE want women to breastfeed, then WE should be willing to compensate them for taking time out of their career to do it. I'm willing to pay the tax to make the funds available.

Neyite

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If WE want women to breastfeed, then WE should be willing to compensate them for taking time out of their career to do it. I'm willing to pay the tax to make the funds available.

I am too. Our system is pretty decent here, if a bit inflexible for some. I got 11 months out of the maternity leave between holidays accrued and the leave itself, so was fairly happy with that.

El_Duderino 09

Neyite wrote: »

I am too. Our system is pretty decent here, if a bit inflexible for some. I got 11 months out of the maternity leave between holidays accrued and the leave itself, so was fairly happy with that.

That sounds good. More options for men to take parental leave would be better. Men can't really breastfeed except pre expressed milk.

ExoPolitic

joe40 wrote: »

The children born now are going to be the ones paying your pension. The type of society you and I spend our "elderly years" in largely depend on the adults todays children become and the type of society they create.
Childcare, and raising well educated adults is everyone's business.

Free secondary education transformed this country but the effects weren't felt immediately.

To such an extent that now it is detrimental to those who are just becoming of working age. It's almost like a compulsory debt to burden and another few years where they can not work.

Need a degree now to start most jobs except the very basic of the basic jobs.

ExoPolitic

Deleted User wrote: »

You speak of this as if working outside the home is yet another one of those simple "free choices" which free mark fundamentalists love to spout about. In reality, for most couples in Dublin they are compelled to work outside the home in order to pay the mortgage (as well as to not be financially penalised by the tax individualisation which McCreevy brought in years ago, loss of pension and so much else).

In 1970, for instance, the same Dublin house which could be bought on a single income now requires two incomes. Apparently because we now have 100 satellite channels of ineffable rubbish that compensates for this most fundamental decline in living standards. The capitalist system now gets two people to work for what it could only get one person to work for before. Another victory for "individual freedom" and "individual choice", it seems. So please desist with this disingenuous "free choice" claptrap - at least until Irish governments start to spread employment opportunities and economic growth to cheaper housing areas of Ireland/beyond Dublin.

PS: You do realise that your pension will be paid out of the state's current expenditure whenever you retire (and your private pension is not, in reality, guaranteed) and therefore if people took your advice to heart and stopped having children now, you'd be in a bit of a bind then?

No, I agree with you, but in todays world we have to live in the present. And in the present, it is a choice to make. Its just facts, raising children has never been so expensive either.

sk8erboii

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Firstly.

I am a young woman.

This is not an attack on other women or other opinions. It's not to undermine other women intentionally. However I cannot control your feelings in reaction to what i say. So i will just try and say it as kindly as I can.

This is just my opinion based on my observations.

Also I don't consider myself 'RIGHT WING' at all. I just try to be the best person i can be. Somethings are not acceptable. Racism homophobia etc is just backward.

I think Trump is a moron.

Yet ...i am not a feminist.

I am not a feminist because I think the whole idea of feminism is a worship of masculinity. There is nothing WRONG with masculinity. Its very useful.

But well men do it better than women.

I think there are things that are just male and female traits. There was a kibutz study that found even when girls and boys where raised the same. They ended up conforming to gender norms.

Everything that has been traditionally masculine has been respected. Aggression etc competitiveness. Everything female has not. Even WOMEN respect them more. Todays women respect aggression and business acumen much more than traditional sensitivity and caring. They look on their grandmothers with SCORN and not respect.

Stay at home moms are scorned.

They raise their daughters to be 'STRONG' not emotionally expressive.

No wonder women want to espouse traits and characteristics they can respect. They want to be men.

We are LOSING the kindness in our society as a result.

We are less caring. We are losing the mother archtype.

You are now free to laugh at me.

And go on I shall not mind :pac:

I am a good sport.

We are too different to be equal.

It's important to teach feminine traits to women. Yes more important than it is to teach it to men. Why? Because we are better at it.

My god. Thats not the equality people are fighting for. The right to vote, right to use the same facilities, ride the same buses.


Its gone over your head but at least you got your pat in the back for virtue signaling

Kidchameleon

Bar the trump bashing, OP is wife material