Why I am not a feminist and don't believe in 'equality'.

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ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I wish I was MORE feminine. I wish i was more loving more patient. I wish i was LESS ARGUMENTATIVE and less competitive.

You need a therapist, seriously.... you are all over the shop...

Glass fused light

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

calling something drivel is not an argument.

Women who don't work outside of the home are certainly scorned. Why on earth would we exploit them if we don't scorn them??

The beauty of my life is owed by me to my parents. Science doctors etc technological advancement.

This is WHAT I HATE....the ABOSOLUTE LIE that everything women have today is as a result of feminism.


Very little of that is true. It might be somewhat true. But reproductive rights just HAPPENED to spring along the mainstream along with the BIRTH CONTROL PILL and CONDOMS.

I mean feminists never even THOUGHT about campaigning for pain relief during pregnancy labors . It just so happened it was discovered.

No feminists have not really achieved a lot for me. In fact i am rather unimpressed with their lot. And i think if a lot of them were around today they would feel the same.

Yes the vote I give you that.

And here is the result of a degree in philosophy and law, having studied everything from feminist epistemology to socialist feminism.

ILoveYourVibes

Calina wrote: »

I am away from a keyboard atm but are you familiar with the marriage bar, equal pay, the single mother homes? When women got the right to do stuff like have bank accounts without getting their husband's permission?

Women's contributions to the world are undervalued. This is why traditionally feminine jobs are paid less and why even in jobs done by both men and women, women often still earn less. It is why stay at home mothers, and parents are systematically undervalued and their contribution at most receives lip service. There is little to no economic recognition for the value of the hand that rocks the cradle.

And the sad part is you don't appear to understand how privileged you are compared to generations before you.

That's like saying be a good little girl. ETC

Was I liberated to be your slave?

joe40

Blaizes wrote: »

It is great to hear you have well adjusted happy children and obviously you are a good parent but looking collectively at Irish society now in comparison to years ago it is difficult to see how we are kinder especially when you look at crime levels, something is making people less kind to each other and more aggressive, my two cents anyway.

Well first of all thank you, I'm not sure if I'm a good parent but like most people I do my best.
We are exposed to much more media now, 24 hour news so things are amplified. I don't know the exact statistic but I'm not sure if Ireland is any more dangerous now than before.
As for levels of aggression I was talking to a publican about this and his feeling was there was more fighting 20 or 30 years ago than now. This was in relation to a large motor sports event this weekend in the town I live in.
Maybe the statistic will prove me wrong but for example I feel my own kids experiences in school for example are much more benign than I'm my day.

Hedgelayer

Hayes Thundering Suds wrote: »

You need a therapist, seriously.... you are all over the shop...

It's a bit unfair undermining her like that.
It's not cool to be honest.

ILoveYourVibes

Glass fused light wrote: »

And here is the result of a degree in philosophy and law, having studied everything from feminist epistemology to socialist feminism.

Epistemology is a key subject in philosophy. :rolleyes:

Silentcorner

Hedgelayer wrote: »

It's a bit unfair undermining her like that.
It's not cool to be honest.

It's not easy reasoning with someone who is drinking kool aid...

Calina

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I wish I was MORE feminine. I wish i was more loving more patient. I wish i was LESS ARGUMENTATIVE and less competitive.

No one is forcing you to post. It is a choice and decision on your part. Self control is a useful skill to develop.

ILoveYourVibes

joe40 wrote: »

Well first of all thank you, I'm not sure if I'm a good parent but like most people I do my best.
We are exposed to much more media now, 24 hour news so things are amplified. I don't know the exact statistic but I'm not sure if Ireland is any more dangerous now than before.
As for levels of aggression I was talking to a publican about this and his feeling was there was more fighting 20 or 30 years ago than now. This was in relation to a large motor sports event this weekend in the town I live in.
Maybe the statistic will prove me wrong but for example I feel my own kids experiences in school for example are much more benign than I'm my day.

I accept your observations i know you are not mad etc. . yet at the same time ..they contradict my own.

I don't really know what to tell you.

ILoveYourVibes

Calina wrote: »

No one is forcing you to post. It is a choice and decision on your part. Self control is a useful skill to develop.

I was talking about LIFE. Not on here.

It's coming across to me that you are being rather personal. I don't like it.

You are definitely making personal attacks.

Hedgelayer

joe40 wrote: »

Well first of all thank you, I'm not sure if I'm a good parent but like most people I do my best.
We are exposed to much more media now, 24 hour news so things are amplified. I don't know the exact statistic but I'm not sure if Ireland is any more dangerous now than before.
As for levels of aggression I was talking to a publican about this and his feeling was there was more fighting 20 or 30 years ago than now. This was in relation to a large motor sports event this weekend in the town I live in.
Maybe the statistic will prove me wrong but for example I feel my own kids experiences in school for example are much more benign than I'm my day.

Year's ago you could have a good punch up or haymaker brawl at an event and you'd get either hammered or come out a winner.

Maybe just maybe you'll get thrown in a cell for the night to cool off.

Guy's wouldn't press charges or sue.

Nowadays it's a whole different Ball game.

You could get 6 months for hitting someone a slap now....
Fined loose your livelihood and have a criminal record.....

Calina

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I was talking about LIFE. Not on here.

It's coming across to me that you are being rather personal. I don't like it.

You are definitely making personal attacks.

Really?

SusieBlue

ZilkyG wrote: »

And you have very little knowledge about what feminism has become, which is why people are turning away from it. It's unbelievable that you think it's a one size fits all label.

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Ok I'm open to be educated.

In a few sentences can you explain in laypersons terms, what's a femminist ?

@Dial Hard summed it up quite eloquently, I think.

Dial Hard wrote: »

Allow me to explain it to you: feminism is the belief that women should be treated equally to men. No better, no worse. It really is that simple.

Calina

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Year's ago you could have a good punch up or haymaker brawl at an event and you'd get either hammered or come out a winner.

Maybe just maybe you'll get thrown in a cell for the night to cool off.

Guy's wouldn't press charges or sue.

Nowadays it's a whole different Ball game.

You could get 6 months for hitting someone a slap now....
Fined loose your livelihood and have a criminal record.....

And you see a problem with people being motivated to avoid the consequences of their actions?

Hedgelayer

Silentcorner wrote: »

It's not easy reasoning with someone who is drinking kool aid...

I don't understand, what does that have to do with the unfair observation

ILoveYourVibes

Hayes Thundering Suds wrote: »

You need a therapist, seriously.... you are all over the shop...

Please stop making personal attacks. I asked you not to engage with me here on boards.

You don't need to post in my thread.

I am a lovely person. I try to be nice on here to people. If that is not possible then I can't engage with them any longer.

Please don't post at me again. I am not enjoying it.

Glass fused light

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Epistemology is a key subject in philosophy. :rolleyes:

Well you could try looking at the world from an masculine standpoint becase judging from what your posting the feminist bit was not covered very well.

This is it

I think you should put more things in BOLD, OP. We'll understand it better then.

ILoveYourVibes

SusieBlue wrote: »

@Dial Hard summed it up quite eloquently, I think.

I don't believe that is all feminism is nor what it has become.

SusieBlue

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I don't believe that is all feminism is nor what it has become.

I don't believe feminism has anything to do with being kind, gentle and meek but hey ho.

ILoveYourVibes

This is it wrote: »

I think you should put more things in BOLD, OP. We'll understand it better then.

Well that WAS the idea. No need to be sarcastic.

ILoveYourVibes

Glass fused light wrote: »

Well you could try looking at the world from an masculine standpoint becase judging from what your posting the feminist bit was not covered very well.

Feminism does look at the world from a masculine standpoint imo.

topper75

Dial Hard wrote: »

Nonsense. Allow me to explain it to you: feminism is the belief that women should be treated equally to men. No better, no worse. It really is that simple.

Really that simple? Well then...

These feminists will be all up in arms at the 'thick man/clever woman' radio ads. Won't they on principle?

Feminism nowadays isn't really the 'sauce for the goose/sauce for the gander' thing it claims to be. It is a power struggle that aims to exploit a perceived victimhood - most naked in things like gender quotas. Anyone with the most basic sense of fair play knows that the answer to discrimination isn't more in the opposing direction.

ILoveYourVibes

SusieBlue wrote: »

I don't believe feminism has anything to do with being kind, gentle and meek but hey ho.

Yes. It doesn't. It kind of looks down on those qualities because it is from a masculine standpoint. Its for masculine women to bully other women and say 'you're welcome'.

victor8600

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I wish I was MORE feminine. I wish i was more loving more patient. I wish i was LESS ARGUMENTATIVE and less competitive.

You have to join my movement, it is called "femininism". Here are the guiding principles:
1) Don't argue.
2) Be less competitive. If you see someone trying to compete with you, lose as soon as possible.
3) Be feminine, wear makeup and bright pretty dresses during the day and frilly nighties at night.

(Unfortunately I have not time to run this movement!)

Chips Lovell

victor8600 wrote: »

3) Be feminine, wear makeup and bright pretty dresses during the day and frilly nighties at night.

Am I doing it right?

RIGOLO

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I like John stuart mill.

Ultimate Happiness AWESOME!

If you like him you should investigate the WAAF, WRVS, WRNS, ATS, WI, MU, TG, Land Army, Land Girls, Primrose League , NAAFI, FANY, WAAC, QAINS, VAD the list goes on .
I love that history of womens efforts in both world wars, Ive a bookshelfs crammed with accounts of what they did, sacrifices they made, brave deeds, organisations they created which still live to this day it other forms.

One of my faveourite anecdote is how women made the best ack-ack/flak gun operators, proving superior to men at shooting a moving target German bomber travelling at 400mph 2000ft up at nightime under intense pressure keeping steadfast as they calculated the trajectory and pattern to inflict maximum damage and divert the payload from populated areas.
Couldnt have beaten those pesky Germans without the women, its the secret army H*tler forgot about.

Now who mentioned feminism...

ILoveYourVibes

victor8600 wrote: »

You have to join my movement, it is called "femininism". Here are the guiding principles:
1) Don't argue.
2) Be less competitive. If you see someone trying to compete with you, lose as soon as possible.
3) Be feminine, wear makeup and bright pretty dresses during the day and frilly nighties at night.

(Unfortunately I have not time to run this movement!)

What about being genuine for a moment?

Calina

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What about being genuine for a moment?

You are in After Hours. This is naive in the extreme.

ILoveYourVibes

RIGOLO wrote: »

If you like him you should investigate the WAAF, WRVS, WRNS, ATS, WI, MU, TG, Land Army, Land Girls, Primrose League , NAAFI, FANY, WAAC, QAINS, VAD the list goes on .
I love that history of womens efforts in both world wars, Ive a bookshelfs crammed with accounts of what they did, sacrifices they made, brave deeds, organisations they created which still live to this day it other forms.

One of my faveourite anecdote is how women made the best ack-ack/flak gun operators, proving superior to men at shooting a moving target German bomber travelling at 400mph 2000ft up at nightime under intense pressure keeping steadfast as they calculated the trajectory and pattern to inflict maximum damage and divert the payload from populated areas.
Couldnt have beaten those pesky Germans without the women, its the secret army H*tler forgot about.

Now who mentioned feminism...

I was talking about his philosophy.Utilitarianism etc.

I know he wrote about women's rights etc. I've read that too

ILoveYourVibes

Calina wrote: »

You are in After Hours. This is naive in the extreme.

Point taken. But i have made my bed now!

Glass fused light

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Glass fused light wrote: »

Well you could try looking at the world from an masculine standpoint becase judging from what your posting the feminist bit was not covered very well.

Feminism does look at the world from a masculine standpoint imo.

Whoosh!

jam_mac_jam

RIGOLO wrote: »

If you like him you should investigate the WAAF, WRVS, WRNS, ATS, WI, MU, TG, Land Army, Land Girls, Primrose League , NAAFI, FANY, WAAC, QAINS, VAD the list goes on .
I love that history of womens efforts in both world wars, Ive a bookshelfs crammed with accounts of what they did, sacrifices they made, brave deeds, organisations they created which still live to this day it other forms.

One of my faveourite anecdote is how women made the best ack-ack/flak gun operators, proving superior to men at shooting a moving target German bomber travelling at 400mph 2000ft up at nightime under intense pressure keeping steadfast as they calculated the trajectory and pattern to inflict maximum damage and divert the payload from populated areas.
Couldnt have beaten those pesky Germans without the women, its the secret army H*tler forgot about.

Now who mentioned feminism...

That's very interesting. I didn't know that about the anti flak operators. Any good books to recommend?

ILoveYourVibes

victor8600 wrote: »

You have to join my movement, it is called "femininism". Here are the guiding principles:
1) Don't argue.
2) Be less competitive. If you see someone trying to compete with you, lose as soon as possible.
3) Be feminine, wear makeup and bright pretty dresses during the day and frilly nighties at night.

(Unfortunately I have not time to run this movement!)

You think that is femininity right? Feminism is saving us from that??

The handmaid's tale is just around the corner right??

ILoveYourVibes

Glass fused light wrote: »

Whoosh!

I kind of remember why i don't like feminists.

ILoveYourVibes

Calina wrote: »

Really?

That is how you are coming off to me yes. But then i don't know how i come off to you.

Rubberchikken

of course you're being honest dear. now back to work or whatever you do.

victor8600

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What about being genuine for a moment?

I am being genuine, honestly! I just need some time and willing followers. As soon as I retire, if I am still alive, can I count on you to be my left hand in the movement?

RIGOLO

Calina wrote: »

No one is forcing you to post. It is a choice and decision on your part. Self control is a useful skill to develop.

you can read between the lines here ..

They dont really mean 'self control'

what they mean is change your viewpoint and then you can post here and not be harranged ..

Its the new indoctrination program.
They believe in FREE speech as long as its the Feminist Reactionary Executive Extreme approved speech

ILoveYourVibes

Simone De Beauvoir slept with Sartre who was in real life ...terrible to women.

ILoveYourVibes

Rubberchikken wrote: »

of course you're being honest dear. now back to work or whatever you do.

Totally genuine. PM me!

ILoveYourVibes

victor8600 wrote: »

I am being genuine, honestly! I just need some time and willing followers. As soon as I retire, if I am still alive, can I count on you to be my left hand in the movement?

I don't really join things.

Hedgelayer

Femminists don't really like masculine men until they dump the simple quite imasculated guy they thought was a walkover, until he took the red pill and walked off into the sunset...

Then she goes looking for an alpha and he's like no effing way am I dating a femminist

Blaizes

joe40 wrote: »

Well first of all thank you, I'm not sure if I'm a good parent but like most people I do my best.
We are exposed to much more media now, 24 hour news so things are amplified. I don't know the exact statistic but I'm not sure if Ireland is any more dangerous now than before.
As for levels of aggression I was talking to a publican about this and his feeling was there was more fighting 20 or 30 years ago than now. This was in relation to a large motor sports event this weekend in the town I live in.
Maybe the statistic will prove me wrong but for example I feel my own kids experiences in school for example are much more benign than I'm my day.

It’s true that 24/7 media probably does amplify things and so we never get to switch off. I know what you are saying about the fighting but maybe back then it was fists as opposed to now guns and knives and I just didn’t think we had so much crime.

Kids experience in school hard to quantify that one( even though I teach part time) I just think we are more about being an economy as well as opposed to being more about community, everyone is rushed and under pressure so less time for each other.

Chips Lovell

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Femminists don't really like masculine men until they dump the simple quite imasculated guy they thought was a walkover, until he took the red pill and walked off into the sunset...

Then she goes looking for an alpha and he's like no effing way am I dating a femminist

What?

Wibbs

RIGOLO wrote: »

Couldnt have beaten those pesky Germans without the women, its the secret army H*tler forgot about.

And one of the biggest strategic mistakes the nazis made was to not bring their women into the workforce like all the allies did. They kept them as hausfraus and baby makers for ze fatherland, so had to rely on slave labour or their own men to keep production going. That they did so was some achievement, but they could have gone the allied route and had far more men in the business of war.

Though one could argue that because the women in the US and UK etc had gotten used to working during the war they naturally didn't want to go backwards as they saw it and especially in the US, industry could see how they could double their workforce and more double their consumer base. Much like the abolition of US slavery was as much to do with the coming of machines that could replace the more expensive slave workers, so a goodly chunk of gender equality was on the back of this new market and how much money could be made from them. The largest wealth transfer in American history has been from men to women. Add in the "free" credit revolution and we have men and women and especially couples both working all the hours god sends to keep a roof over their heads and their stuff trying to raise kids. I wouldn't like to go back to 1930's thinking and ways of doing, but it makes me wonder about what we may have missed in this brave new world.

victor8600

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You think that is femininity right? Feminism is saving us from that??

I did not know that the goal of feminism is to save women from being feminine.

In any case, feminism and being feminine can co-exist. Especially because we are not going to argue with feminists, right? I am trying to compromise and to find a mutually agreeable solution here.

ILoveYourVibes

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Femminists don't really like masculine men until they dump the simple quite imasculated guy they thought was a walkover, until he took the red pill and walked off into the sunset...

Then she goes looking for an alpha and he's like no effing way am I dating a femminist

Prince harry ended up with Meghan

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ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Oh don't worry nothing is making a comeback. I am entirely original and no one agrees with me.

Ah hun. Half of the odder parts of reddit and YouTube agree with you.

Glass fused light

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I kind of remember why i don't like feminists.

Is that label ment for me?

Because I don't agree that your education gave you an understanding of feminist history?
Because I don't agree that your ability to be regarded as something more than a chattel, has nothing to do with woman who individually and collectively won the rights you enjoy today?

Whoosh!