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Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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    #3362
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Well I don't agree with everything he says. However I agree with a lot of what he says everyone has viewpoints that I do not agree with and others I do agree with. I have listened to a lot of his speeches and I agree with a lot of his points certainly when I heard his interviews with Gemma he came out the saner of the two.

    I don't agree that Hazel Chu should be deported perhaps he agrees she should be but that would be one of his views I don't agree with if it actually is one of his views.

    There's no perhaps or maybe about it Stephen, he says it! You've watched the video now so you can't deny it.


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    #3363
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Question for Recedite, Blue shoe, Kim and Stephen.
    Do you think an immigrant of a different culture can bring any cultural or societal value to the country they're emigrating to?
    Some tasty ethnic food, certainly.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Had you ever stopped for a neuron-tick to consider maybe Islam isn't the real problem in those countries?
    I'm guessing the answer is "Climate change brought about by rich westerners who need to pay for their sins"

    Did I win?
    Not holding out for a prize this time. I've been cheated before.


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    #3364
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Nice data here from the CSO on migration:
    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2016/

    Highlights from 2016 (latest official figures from CSO):
    Immigration in 2016 was 79,300
    38.2% of immigrants have a third level qualification
    21.1% of immigrants were Irish
    40.1% of our immigrants are non EU nationals
    Are those legal immigrants, or asylum seekers?


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    #3365
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    recedite wrote: »
    Are those legal immigrants, or asylum seekers?

    The cso state :
    The migration estimates are compiled against the backdrop of movements in other migration indicators. These include: • the Register of Electors • the Child Benefit Scheme • the number of visas granted • the number of work permits issued/renewed • the number of asylum applications • the number of PPS numbers allocated.


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    #3366
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    recedite wrote: »
    Are those legal immigrants, or asylum seekers?


    Cookie is only interested in his/her own needs.
    cookie1977 wrote: »
    We are far short of the working population needed for when I retire.

    To hell with everyone else.


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    #3367
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have a family friend from Nicaragua. Was a qualifed gp over there, and a medic during the war.

    He became a refugee in Ireland as his family were in severe danger over there.

    Took him years to get his papers.

    And then the medical Council wouldn't recognize his credentials.

    Once he could work, he was only able to get kitchen Porter work.

    He did that while looking for other work

    He's currently a receptionist at a medical practice. A complete waste of a person's qualifications.

    So yes, I do believe things should be different.
    Why would they not recognise his credentials, was he unable to pass the minimum standard of exam here?
    It just seems odd when they passed a guy who didn't know his arse from his elbow, but they blocked your friend who is such an excellent doctor.


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    #3368
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    recedite wrote: »
    Why would they not recognise his credentials, was he unable to pass the minimum standard of exam here?
    It just seems odd when they passed a guy who didn't know his arse from his elbow, but they blocked your friend who is such an excellent doctor.

    Often it's to do with mapping over qualifications and determining if the standards are the same. If not he'd have to retrain. That's not the migrants fault. That is very tough. If it were possible to do some accelerated training to ensure skills learnt in other countries were brought uo to local standards would that not be a good thing investing in our future? Would that not benefit all? Currently we pay to train doctors here who then leave (for valid reasons).


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    #3369
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    The cso state :
    The migration estimates are compiled against the backdrop of movements in other migration indicators. These include: • the Register of Electors • the Child Benefit Scheme • the number of visas granted • the number of work permits issued/renewed • the number of asylum applications • the number of PPS numbers allocated.
    With such weasely words being used to describe these "estimates" of migration I'm surprised they can so confidently and precisely categorise the educational achievements of the "estimated" persons.


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    #3370
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    recedite wrote: »
    With such weasely words being used to describe these "estimates" of migration I'm surprised they can so confidently and precisely categorise the educational achievements of the "estimated" persons.

    There really is no pleasing you is there? Now you're picking a fight with the CSO!?!?!?


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    #3371
    batgoat
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    recedite wrote: »
    Why would they not recognise his credentials, was he unable to pass the minimum standard of exam here?
    It just seems odd when they passed a guy who didn't know his arse from his elbow, but they blocked your friend who is such an excellent doctor.

    That's pretty standard. Even something like a dental degree from here would require a level of retraining in another country.


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    #3372
    Sweetemotion
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    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Often it's to do with mapping over qualifications and determining if the standards are the same. If not he'd have to retrain. That's not the migrants fault. That is very tough. If it were possible to do some accelerated training to ensure skills learnt in other countries were brought uo to local standards would that not be a good thing investing in our future? Would that not benefit all? Currently we pay to train doctors here who then leave (for valid reasons).

    He didn't know an ankle from an elbow...


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    #3373
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    Often it's to do with mapping over qualifications and determining if the standards are the same. If not he'd have to retrain. That's not the migrants fault. That is very tough. If it were possible to do some accelerated training to ensure skills learnt in other countries were brought uo to local standards would that not be a good thing investing in our future? Would that not benefit all? Currently we pay to train doctors here who then leave (for valid reasons).
    Ah I see. He was overqualified. Just too good.

    They probably didn't want him showing up the other doctors.


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    #3374
    cookie1977
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    batgoat wrote: »
    That's pretty standard. Even something like a dental degree from here would require a level of retraining in another country.

    I had to get my qualification mapped when I went to new Zealand.


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    #3375
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    batgoat wrote: »
    That's pretty standard. Even something like a dental degree from here would require a level of retraining in another country.

    Again he didn't know an ankle from an elbow. That's pretty fecking far from being standard.


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    #3376
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    He didn't know an ankle from an elbow...
    Apologies, my mistake, I thought it was an arse :D

    Now you see why I'm not a doctor.


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    #3377
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    I had to get my qualification mapped when I went to new Zealand.

    Did they have to tell you the difference from an ankle and an elbow?


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    #3378
    cookie1977
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    recedite wrote: »
    Ah I see. He was overqualified. Just too good.

    They probably didn't want him showing up the other doctors.
    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Again he didn't know an ankle from an elbow. That's pretty fecking far from being standard.

    I swear sometimes I'm afraid to reply in case I'm speaking to children.


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    #3379
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Again he didn't know an ankle from an elbow. That's pretty fecking far from being standard.

    You are pulling this claim out of your arse. You're making a pretty uninformed claim.


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    #3380
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,425 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Did they have to tell you the difference from an ankle and an elbow?

    you seem to think cookie was referring to the guy in the article that recedite linked to. He wasnt. We have no idea where that guy from sudan trained.


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    #3381
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    In order:


    Australian points system is a model I dont have a problem with. As long as it looks at more than just qualifications and looks (see my post) at our other needs.

    Right to appeal is an absolute. You can cap it but there needs to be one. You have a right if you are charged with a crime. Ever heard of a failure in the justice system???

    I'd like a link on that please. I dont believe you're correct. I'm happy for Ireland not to be in the same camp as some of those countries.

    Yes well you didn't answer my point there.

    Can you provide me with a link showing rates of terrorism carried out with a Burka please?


    See my post re needs. Qualifications aren't everything.

    Sorry I don't mean to be rude but I just wanted to point out that you have forgotten about one of my questions in relation to third world migration. I asked would you feel more comfortable moving to Australia or Bangladesh? Apologies about that it's people have said I have forgotten to answer certain questions aswell but I would to hear this posters abswer to that question.


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    #3382
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    cookie1977 wrote: »
    I swear sometimes I'm afraid to reply in case I'm speaking to children.

    Ahhh now with the insults, how predictable. :rolleyes:


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    #3383
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,425 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Sorry I don't mean to be rude but I just wanted to point out that you have forgotten about one of my questions in relation to third world migration. I asked would you feel more comfortable moving to Australia or Bangladesh? Apologies about that it's people have said I have forgotten to answer certain questions aswell but I would to hear this posters abswer to that question.

    perhaps answer some of the many questions you have ignored and then others might return the favour.


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    #3384
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you seem to think cookie was referring to the guy in the article that recedite linked to. He wasnt. We have no idea where that guy from sudan trained.
    Sudan?
    Wild guess.


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    #3385
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,425 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Ahhh now with the insults, how predictable. :rolleyes:

    you were making smart remarks about ankles and elbows that were totally irrelevant to the person cookie was talking about. you seem to have lost track of the thread very quickly.


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    #3386
    cookie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭cookie1977


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Sorry I don't mean to be rude but I just wanted to point out that you have forgotten about one of my questions in relation to third world migration. I asked would you feel more comfortable moving to Australia or Bangladesh? Apologies about that it's people have said I have forgotten to answer certain questions aswell but I would to hear this posters abswer to that question.

    What would it tell you about me if I answer?


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    #3387
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you seem to think cookie was referring to the guy in the article that recedite linked to. He wasnt. We have no idea where that guy from sudan trained.


    Cookie was comparing his retraining to the guy who didn't know the difference between an elbow and an ankle as common. I disagree.


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    #3388
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    perhaps answer some of the many questions you have ignored and then others might return the favour.

    No I was just politely reminding the poster that s/he may have forgotten to reply to my post. I don't have any issue if s/he does not wish to respond to my post. I'm just curious to hear what their answer to my post is. No hard feelings either way.


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    #3389
    cookie1977
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    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Cookie was comparing his retraining to the guy who didn't know the difference between an elbow and an ankle as common. I disagree.

    Eh no.


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    #3390
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,425 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Cookie was comparing his retraining to the guy who didn't know the difference between an elbow and an ankle as common. I disagree.

    no he was comparing to somebody he knows from nicaragua. try to keep up


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    #3391
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,425 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    No I was just politely reminding the poster that s/he may have forgotten to reply to my post. I don't have any issue if s/he does not wish to respond to my post. I'm just curious to hear what their answer to my post is. No hard feelings either way.

    the same way you seem to have completely forgotten many questions asked of you. It is pretty obvious when somebody is arguing in bad faith,


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