Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

The Nal

Birneybau wrote: »

What's the alt left if you don't mind?

Think it's the Antifa type idiots.

Shefwedfan

Ahh here, she wanted it to move to the Convention Centre? the last meeting she had 50 lads showed up/........

Birneybau

The Nal wrote: »

Think it's the Antifa type idiots.

Ah, you're a both sides person.

Anyway, R.I.P. to the below and any older relatives they live with.

https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/1252606255383957504

Wanderer78

Birneybau wrote: »

Ah, you're a both sides person.

Anyway, R.I.P. to the below and any older relatives they live with.

thickness really is contagious

Timberrrrrrrr

Birneybau wrote: »

Ah, you're a both sides person.

Anyway, R.I.P. to the below and any older relatives they live with.

https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/1252606255383957504

It's at times like this the guards really need a water canon.

Penfailed

The Nal wrote: »

Think it's the Antifa type idiots.

Am I missing something? Is there something bad about being anti-fascist?

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

Am I missing something? Is there something bad about being anti-fascist?

Fascism is a word used when you don't like the other side using your tactics

Birneybau

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Fascism is a word used when you don't like the other side using your tactics

No:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Birneybau

Bring a Trycolour :pac:

https://twitter.com/DeeWall77749076/status/1252291002250989568

The Nal

Penfailed wrote: »

Am I missing something? Is there something bad about being anti-fascist?

Nothing obviously as long as its not violent.

TheRepentent

The Nal wrote: »

Nothing obviously as long as its not violent.

ah no man..Antifa are allowed to slap the head of fascists.

If anything just to see all the Irish cockroaches that polute boards.ie cry into their cornflakes about the injustice of it all :P
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057993030

Infini

Wanderer78 wrote: »

thickness really is contagious

I would call them the "Terminally Stupid", it's a pity that she cant be outright banned or staved of oxygen by removing her ability to make any posts on any electronic platform, idiots like her are incapable of being reasoned with they're write off and a danger to others. At least the vast majority of people wont put up with her tho.

Birneybau

I genuinely cannot wait

https://www.thejournal.ie/legal-challenge-covid-19-laws-5080031-Apr2020/

Outlining the nature of the action O’Doherty said what was happening regarding the lockdown was “outrageous”.

She said people were being held under mass house arrest, or fear being interrogated by the gardaá if they leave their homes.

People she said should be allowed go about their business and normal life must be allowed resume.

The vast majority of people are unaffected by Covid-19, which she said was “no threat to life”, and that the Irish people should be allowed to go outside and “build up a herd immunity.”

O’Doherty added that expert medical evidence supporting her claims will be presented to the court as part of the case.

VinLieger

Penfailed wrote: »

Am I missing something? Is there something bad about being anti-fascist?

Antifas goals are on the surface entirely positive but the irony is they skew towards a type of fascism themselves due to their methods of trying to suppress and bully anyone who disagrees with them.

Guy:Incognito

Birneybau wrote: »

I genuinely cannot wait

https://www.thejournal.ie/legal-challenge-covid-19-laws-5080031-Apr2020/

An "expert" from the iona institute maybe?

Be right back

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

An "expert" from the iona institute maybe?

DR Marie Flanagan?

Birneybau

Birneybau wrote: »

No:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Oh ffs! Really? Wikipedia?

Fascism is not left or right. It's notoriously hard to define and more often than not refers to methods used to achieve their political goals. Left wing groups can absolutely be fascist. Hitler claimed to be and did actually have socialist ideals.

Far be it for me to argue with the anonymous author in Wikipedia but maybe try some actual scholars on the subject?

Annasopra

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Gee, that doesn't sound like any hyper astroturfed far right movement going on in another part of the western world at all at all.

Exactly
https://medium.com/@farrightobservatory/covid-19-conspiracy-and-irelands-far-right-3501e07b6756

Birneybau

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Oh ffs! Really? Wikipedia?

Fascism is not left or right. It's notoriously hard to define and more often than not refers to methods used to achieve their political goals. Left wing groups can absolutely be fascist. Hitler claimed to be and did actually have socialist ideals.

Far be it for me to argue with the anonymous author in Wikipedia but maybe try some actual scholars on the subject?

Blah Blah Blah

Birneybau

Birneybau wrote: »

Blah Blah Blah

In other words, you were wrong.

Carfacemandog

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Oh ffs! Really? Wikipedia?

Fascism is not left or right. It's notoriously hard to define and more often than not refers to methods used to achieve their political goals. Left wing groups can absolutely be fascist. Hitler claimed to be and did actually have socialist ideals.

Far be it for me to argue with the anonymous author in Wikipedia but maybe try some actual scholars on the subject?

Here are some political science professors on the matter, as to what the common features of fascism typically are. The full ink is here - https://www.gq.com/story/is-america-heading-towards-fascism - I will be chopping the article down for brevity. Let me know if any of this sounds familiar:

1. An Era of Social Upheaval
- when a group of people that once felt politically and economically secure suddenly finds themselves feeling marginalized....
- Isaac describes a “generalized crisis of legitimacy” throughout post-war Europe in which “large numbers of people felt dispossessed, disenfranchised, and disconnected from dominant social institutions,”
- The phenomena that can give rise to fascism—political instability, economic uncertainty, simmering resentment—are “endemic to modernity,” Isaac says.

2. A Nostalgia for a Lost, Glorious Past
A critical ingredient of fascism, says Dumm, is the ref-framing of a nation's current struggles as a departure from some glorious, long-lost past.
- During periods of uncertainty, a story about a strong national identity can foster a sense of belonging and comfort.
- This narrative need not be accurate or reasonable.
- The narrative needn’t be specific, either; in some cases, vague ones might work best.
- The precise meaning of MAGA is a modern Rorschach test for those vulnerable to fascism’s message, because the era of to-be-restored American greatness exists in the eye of the beholder.

3. The Scapegoating of Minority Groups
- "When people are feeling insecure about their status, they can go one of two ways,” he explains. “They can say, ‘We have to work together to make things better.’
- But the fascist response is to find scapegoats, and build the idea things will be better if these people are marginalized and dealt with.”
- Minority groups are easy to cast as enemies, because their lack of political power makes it difficult for them to push back against state-sanctioned oppression.
- The links between economic anxiety, fantastical nostalgia, and chosen scapegoat are not rational. But fascism, Dumm explains, is an affective response to crisis—it appeals to emotion, not logic, and delivers a “false promise of hope for masses of people who will be betrayed and hurt by it.”
- Scapegoating enables people to duck their collective responsibility to solve hard problems, or to even think about what causes foundational economic shifts in the first place.

4. A Strongman Savior
- fascism relies on a strong, charismatic authoritarian figure, uniquely equipped to do what must be done to solve the problem without allowing pesky institutions to stand in the way... any dissenters become enemies of the state.
- Egomaniacal, almost messianic declarations are common among fascist strongmen.
- “Here lies one of the most intelligent animals who ever appeared on the face of the earth.”
- Hitler declared himself the true representative of “have-nots” everywhere. “I know that the whole German nation is behind me,” he said. “I am the guardian of its future, and I act accordingly.”

5. The Stifling of Dissent
- "If you have a situation where the law is not being enforced because of political intimidation,” Dumm says, “that’s when things start to crumble and fascist power comes in.”

6. Ritualistic Communal Bonding
- Rallies are integral to the strength of fascism because they reiterate its core promises: that the nation must be restored to its rightful place in the world, and the leader is solely capable of bringing about that result.
- “The leader-follower relationship is the core of authoritarian regimes—and rallies are its distillation,” wrote Ruth Ben-Ghiat in GQ earlier this month. “They stage the leader’s hold over the people as he demonstrates that his enemies have become their own.”
- Hitler wrote of the “suggestive ecstasy” that comes with having one’s views affirmed by thousands of fellow rally-goers, and relied heavily on stage lighting and other theatrical effects to enthrall audiences with spectacle.

Birneybau

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

In other words, you were wrong.

Blah Blah Blah. Just another disengenuous person that read a bit of Peterson and became one of THOSE people.

blanch152

Birneybau wrote: »

I genuinely cannot wait

https://www.thejournal.ie/legal-challenge-covid-19-laws-5080031-Apr2020/

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

An "expert" from the iona institute maybe?

The guy who resigned from the Medical Council - Dr. de Brun - is an advocate of herd immunity. It could be him, and he has a lot of support around here.

Carfacemandog

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Here are some political science professors on the matter, as to what the common features of fascism typically are. The full ink is here - https://www.gq.com/story/is-america-heading-towards-fascism - I will be chopping the article down for brevity. Let me know if any of this sounds familiar:

Great. None of which suggests my original comment or follow ups were incorrect. Can you point out the parts that say fascists can be right wing only?

Birneybau

Birneybau wrote: »

Blah Blah Blah. Just another disengenuous person that read a bit of Peterson and became one of THOSE people.

I'm not the one relying on a wiki entry. You were wrong, be big enough to just admit it.

storker

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It's at times like this the guards really need a water canon.

How is a wet cleric going to help?




(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Carfacemandog

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Great. None of which suggests my original comment or follow ups were incorrect. Can you point out the parts that say fascists can be right wing only?

Actually, your initial comment was "fascism is a word used when you don't like the other side using your tactics"

In your post that I quoted, what I was referring to was your statement about fascism being "notoriously hard to define and more often than not refers to methods used to achieve their political goals" and requesting "some actual scholars on the subject?'"

You have now been referred to scholars on exactly that.

While we are at it though, I suppose you should be able to give a few examples of left wing fascism. Though if you consider Hitler to be left wing, particularly in the context of Weimar era Germany, well you're not off to a great start.

davedanon

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Actually, your initial comment was "fascism is a word used when you don't like the other side using your tactics"

In your post that I quoted, what I was referring to was your statement about fascism being "notoriously hard to define and more often than not refers to methods used to achieve their political goals" and requesting "some actual scholars on the subject?'"

You have now been referred to scholars on exactly that.

While we are at it though, I suppose you should be able to give a few examples of left wing fascism. Though if you consider Hitler to be left wing, particularly in the context of Weimar era Germany, well you're not off to a great start.

Hey, it's National Socialism. Clue's in the name, dude...

dan1895

Birneybau wrote: »

Ah, you're a both sides person.

Anyway, R.I.P. to the below and any older relatives they live with.

https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/1252606255383957504

Is the woman on the crutch in that picture doing a Nazi salute or pointing at a 5g mast.

Carfacemandog

dan1895 wrote: »

Is the woman on the crutch in that picture doing a Nazi salute or pointing at a 5g mast.

More importantly, behind her. Who dragged ing someone with downs syndrome?

Thats not an insult either, it genuinely seems like some a*sehole decided to bring someone with downs syndrome down this road of derangement.