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Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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    #1082
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,405 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Surprised to see Gemma taking this tack on this topic.
    The government and previous ones have dragged their heels and possibly even blocked any proper investigation into this.
    So many people and orginisatjons involved including gardai clergy and TDs



    You’d think she’d be going for this angle

    i thought it would have fitted in very well with her corruption angle. Though of course there really isn't anything new for her to say from this angle so she takes the opposite tack to generate clicks.


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    #1083
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    knipex wrote: »
    Well............... I would need to see a picture..

    Take my word for it, I'm an ugly cvnt :D


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    #1084
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    jackboy wrote: »
    Well if the story is true it is horrific and those nuns were appalling human beings with no empathy. That is why we need the full story, before we label them as such.


    The full story is that they regarded the illegitmate children, and the women who produced them as sinful. Therefore they were never going to give them treatment equal to that of other members of society.


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    #1085
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The full story is that they regarded the illegitmate children, and the women who produced them as sinful. Therefore they were never going to give them treatment equal to that of other members of society.

    There was a guy I worked with who has now retired but his wife told him a story from her schooldays (he was English and she's Irish). In the wife's school the parish priest would call in regularly and when he did, he would go her class and call the same boy up to the top of the class for a thrashing. His crime? Being born illegitimate.


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    #1086
    Annasopra
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    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    The remains of 800 babies were not dumped in a septic or sewage tank simple as that.

    Please explain what you think happened in Tuam?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1087
    jackboy
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    The full story is that they regarded the illegitmate children, and the women who produced them as sinful. Therefore they were never going to give them treatment equal to that of other members of society.

    Yes in general. However, it is important to find out exactly why these nuns buried those babies in that place and in that way.


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    #1088
    batgoat
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Yes in general. However, it is important to find out exactly why these nuns buried those babies in that place and in that way.

    Is there a justifiable reason for parents to not know where their children were buried?


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    #1089
    alastair
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    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    The remains of 800 babies were not dumped in a septic or sewage tank simple as that.

    They certainly were. Read the reports. The bodies were contained in a waste-water/sewage treatment tank. They were not in the second septic tank structure on the property.


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    #1090
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    jackboy wrote: »
    Yes in general. However, it is important to find out exactly why these nuns buried those babies in that place and in that way.


    They were illegitimate. So they wouldn’t have been christened. And following that babies that aren’t christened can’t be buried in consecrated ground.
    And outside that you’ll find they wanted to stinge on the money.
    Why buy a little coffin for each one?

    And wouldn’t someone notice the abnormally high amount of babies coffins they’d been ordering?


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    #1091
    jackboy
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    batgoat wrote: »
    Is there a justifiable reason for parents to not know where their children were buried?

    No but there are some reports that where these babies were buried was marked with headstones which shows at least some small level of care. The full story is needed. It’s highly likely that there were poor practices in the home, as in most of the other homes. However, no lessons will be learned without the full facts. Nuns are evil is not enough.


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    #1092
    Annasopra
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    jackboy wrote: »
    No but there are some reports that where these babies were buried was marked with headstones which shows at least some small level of care. The full story is needed. It’s highly likely that there were poor practices in the home, as in most of the other homes. However, no lessons will be learned without the full facts. Nuns are evil is not enough.

    But its all a hoax anyway according to GO'D and the Gemmaroids.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1093
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    But its all a hoax anyway according to GO'D and the Gemmaroids.

    Well Gemma and the priest were just speculating also. The only way to find out exactly what happened is to interview eye witnesses. As there is no Gardaí investigation they must not suspect any illegal activities. Therefore, eye witnesses are unlikely to talk. They probably would have talked by now if they intended to.


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    #1094
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    jackboy wrote: »
    Well Gemma and the priest were just speculating also. The only way to find out exactly what happened is to interview eye witnesses. As there is no Gardaí investigation they must not suspect any illegal activities. Therefore, eye witnesses are unlikely to talk. They probably would have talked by now if they intended to.




    The vast majority of eye witnesses are more than likely dead.


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    #1095
    PopePalpatine
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    You’d think she’d be going for this angle
    Nah, god forbid she loses a cushy number heading HalsShïteshart's Irish Abteilung.


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    #1096
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    jackboy wrote: »
    Well Gemma and the priest were just speculating also. The only way to find out exactly what happened is to interview eye witnesses. As there is no Gardaí investigation they must not suspect any illegal activities. Therefore, eye witnesses are unlikely to talk. They probably would have talked by now if they intended to.

    You think it's legal to bury human remains in any old place? You think it's humane to bury bodies in unknown locations so family members will have no idea where the remains of their children are?

    Fascinating that Gemma fans rant about Muslims on a regular basis and how they can't coexist in our culture. But then the very same people will attempt to defend/deny what occurred as a result of religious extremism in our own country...


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    #1097
    jackboy
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    batgoat wrote: »
    You think it's legal to bury human remains in any old place? You think it's humane to bury bodies in unknown locations so family members will have no idea where the remains of their children are?

    What happened was clearly wrong. But as the guards are not investigating they must have no evidence of illegal activities. This is the problem, without Gardaí investigation people will not talk. Most are likely dead but there are probably a handful still alive.


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    #1098
    batgoat
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    jackboy wrote: »
    What happened was clearly wrong. But as the guards are not investigating they must have no evidence of illegal activities. This is the problem, without Gardaí investigation people will not talk. Most are likely dead but there are probably a handful still alive.

    You've concluded nothing illegal happened, the length of time since any offenses were committed. Any right to convict etc has likely expired. Here's our burial laws btw. Even our legislation in 1848 covered designation of burial grounds. So yes, it was illegal to bury people in random locations.


    https://www.gov.ie/en/policy-information/c206d2-burial-regulations/?referrer=/burial-regulations


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    #1099
    Annasopra
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Well Gemma and the priest were just speculating also. The only way to find out exactly what happened is to interview eye witnesses. As there is no Gardanvestigation they must not suspect any illegal activities. Therefore, eye witnesses are unlikely to talk. They probably would have talked by now if they intended to.
    So on the one hand you say people are speculating. On the other hand you speculate. Hmmmmm.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1100
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    So on the one hand you say people are speculating. On the other hand you speculate. Hmmmmm.

    Didn’t say there was any issue with speculating just that there are many gaps in the story. I think it would be useful to find out exactly what happened.


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    #1101
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    jackboy wrote: »
    Didn’t say there was any issue with speculating just that there are many gaps in the story. I think it would be useful to find out exactly what happened.

    It was covered up by clergy and many gardai and TDs involved.

    We won’t ever find out what happened most likely.

    *which is why it’s weird Gemma isn’t taking her usual conspiracy angle


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    #1102
    alastair
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    It was covered up by clergy and many gardai and TDs involved.

    We won’t ever find out what happened most likely.

    *which is why it’s weird Gemma isn’t taking her usual conspiracy angle

    Perhaps she’s reacting badly to the recent heavy chemtrailing? South County Dublin has been particularly effected. Or have the transgender staff in Shankill Lidl got to her? 🤔


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    #1103
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    alastair wrote: »
    Perhaps she’s reacting badly to the recent heavy chemtrailing? South County Dublin has been particularly effected. Or have the transgender staff in Shankill Lidl got to her? 🀔

    I’d say the fluoride in the water.


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    #1104
    FartyBlartFast
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭FartyBlartFast


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    He went from ‘never happened! hoax’ to ‘sewer not a septic tank!’
    Quite quickly
    Almost as if he's just posting something, anything contrarian he can think of in a desperate cry for attention from anyone that will listen.


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    #1105
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,222 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Looks like the Air Corps are in on the chemtrails thing aswell. Maybe Gemma's right after all.


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/former-air-corps-mechanic-alleges-exposure-to-dangerous-chemicals-38317726.html


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    #1106
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,405 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    Looks like the Air Corps are in on the chemtrails thing aswell. Maybe Gemma's right after all.


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/former-air-corps-mechanic-alleges-exposure-to-dangerous-chemicals-38317726.html

    i'm going to assume you are taking the piss posting that.


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    #1107
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i'm going to assume you are taking the piss posting that.

    Lordy, but it gets hard to know these days.


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    #1108
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,405 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Lordy, but it gets hard to know these days.

    Indeed. she is really quite diffilcult to parody.


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    #1109
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    This is good news. Its about her vile racist hate speech was deplatformed.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/youtube-terminates-gemma-o-doherty-s-account-over-breach-of-hate-speech-policy-1.3958500?mode=amp

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1110
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    This is good news. Its about her vile racist hate speech was deplatformed.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/youtube-terminates-gemma-o-doherty-s-account-over-breach-of-hate-speech-policy-1.3958500?mode=amp

    Deplatforming is never good news. Not only does it fundamentally go against the spirit of democratic freedom, it'll also give her and her conspiracy minded followers a huge amount of fuel for their conspiracy mindedness.

    The internet is being totally ruined by the editorialisation of communication platforms. Sure, they have the right to do it, but they're still scumbags for choosing to.


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    #1111
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    Irish times article was up mere minutes after Gemmas channel was deleted...hmmmmm


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