Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

banie01

batgoat wrote: »

Slippery? I was following the definition of the conspiracy. .

Do you also rant about George Soros a lot?

I'd guess there have been a few of those alright

Given that humans are migratory and have only abandoned nomadic life in the last 8 thousand years with the rise of farming, this worry over migration is quite strange.

The great civilizations of history that have collapsed, could all reasonably have been argued to have done so in the face of migratory pressures.
Which to the casual observer would make it appear that migration = collapse.

However the really great ones assimilated the migrants and gained a hybrid vigour.
The greatest civilizations have all been an entrepot of people's, tribes and cultures governed by ideas.
Not by DNA, not by colour, and even the Ottomans were tolerant of other religions once the jizya was paid.
Very few of the western empires can share that degree of tolerance until the late Hapsburg era.

Stagnation of population, of thought and of ideas is the actual cause of collapse for many civilisations, not migration but rather how that migration is adapted to and by the "settled" folk.

batgoat

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

There's no such thing as White Supremacy. White Nationalism, White separatism is more accurate.
But this is more of it, anyone who doesn't toe the line is categorised as an extremist.
You should really ask yourselves how far you're willing to go, are you willing to imprison those whom you oppose?
Are you far from advocating 'wrong' opinions to be made illegal?
It seems to me that you're only one step away. Like I said very worrying

Sure thing Harvey, yes there is a such thing as white supremacy. White Nationalist want a nation of white people and white supremacists believe they are superior to non white people. A white nationalist can believe in white supremacy but it's not a must. White supremacy predates white nationalism in terms of popular usage.

Source: https://www.cjr.org/language_corner/nationalist-supremacist.php

Have I tried to silence you? I merely pointed out that it's a pretty extreme sign of your views if you believe the EU is engaging in a secret plot to replace white people. I'm not the guy who's accusing of being a secret politician or NGO member... :pac: Mine is based on the impression you're giving and further backed up by the fact you're now making another stupid and bizarre claim that there's no such thing as white supremacy.

whippet

So Gemma has called off her protest for tomorrow due to the counter protest that was planned.

She knows quite well that the 10 or 12 loons she would have with her would be humiliated by the unicorns !!

So much for her rants about how she won’t back down.

Total charlatan ...

Kenny Logins

whippet wrote: »

So Gemma has called off her protest for tomorrow due to the counter protest that was planned.

She knows quite well that the 10 or 12 loons she would have with her would be humiliated by the unicorns !!

So much for her rants about how she won’t back down.

Total charlatan ...

Back on Monday I expect. :rolleyes:

klaaaz

Right wing extremists are usually cowards, Gemma running away like a chicken proves it !

Annasopra

The Hate attacks against Hazel Chu really show up Gemma and her followers for what they are. Racist Bullies.

Annasopra

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Actually what is happening is that ordinary people who notice the mass immigration happening in their countries are now being categorised as conspiracy theorists. This is highly reminiscint of the Soviet Union where masses of people who has issues with the system were placed into various categories of enemies of the state. Very worrying.

I genuinely wonder how far you guys are from advocating imprisonment for those who criticise immigration

There is no mass immigration into Ireland.

Stephen15

klaaaz wrote: »

Right wing extremists are usually cowards, Gemma running away like a chicken proves it !

If you look at the thugs that attacked Pegida in Dublin city centre a couple of years ago I don't blame her

Stephen15

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

There is no mass immigration into Ireland.

I take it you don't live in Blanchardstown, Lucan, Balbriggan, Longford or Ballyhaunis

TheRepentent

Stephen15 wrote: »

If you look at the thugs that attacked Pegida in Dublin city centre a couple of years ago I don't blame her

Antifa doing their job :rolleyes:

Always find it amusing the ones that give out about antifa ,

are the ones most likely to get a few slaps of them.

Stephen15

TheRepentent wrote: »

Antifa doing their job :rolleyes:

Always find it amusing the ones that give out about antifa ,

are the ones most likely to get a few slaps of them.

I'm not having this discussion they're scum end of. I guess the far left don't understand peaceful protest.

Stephen15

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The Hate attacks against Hazel Chu really show up Gemma and her followers for what they are. Racist Bullies.

Hazel Chu was calling for anti free speech hate speech laws

whippet

Stephen15 wrote: »

Hazel Chu was calling for anti free speech hate speech laws

No she wasn’t ... your making this up now

pjohnson

Stephen15 wrote: »

Hazel Chu was calling for anti free speech hate speech laws

Try one buzz slogan at a time Stevie. You got overexcited.

Overheal

Stephen15 are you dropping the conversation we were having earlier?

pinkyeye

Stephen15, can I ask respectfully if 15 refers to your age?

Stephen15

If the "far right" like Gemma O'Doherty and the National Party are such a "small minority" in Ireland like people say why are you wasting your time talking about them so much here and on Twitter I don't understand. Why are people calling them dangerous in what way are they dangerous how can a small minority be dangerous to people.

I think the reason is because your afraid their message might actually gain traction and support from people and we can't be having that. You want a situation where democracy poses a threat to the establishment or see a party with the similar sucess to Trump, Swedish Democrats, The League, Austrian Freedom Party, Fidesz, Vox etc.

Overheal

So yes.

banie01

Stephen15 wrote: »

If the "far right" like Gemma O'Doherty and the National Party are such a "small minority" in Ireland like people say why are you wasting your time talking about them so much here and on Twitter I don't understand. Why are people calling them dangerous in what way are they dangerous how can a small minority be dangerous to people.

I think the reason is because your afraid their message might actually gain traction and support from people and we can't be having that. You want a situation where democracy poses a threat to the establishment or see a party with the similar sucess to Trump, Swedish Democrats, The League, Austrian Freedom Party, Fidesz, Vox etc.

Where is this traction though?
Gemma, the Independents, Peter Casey?
Where is the groundswell of public support for racist political activism?
Gemma can't maintain a crowd of more than 20, nor command a credible vote in an election?
Peter Casey tanked?
The Nationa party haven't managed to even field a candidate in their term of existence.l
Renua have imploded.

Comparing our fringe to any of the movements you have listed is frankly ridiculous.
You know why? Because much as I may disagree with Vox, AFD, 5Star and the rest of the European right is that many of those involved in right wing politics in Europe are actually semi competent.

Unfortunately for the nascent Irish Right Wing, their "leaders" are by and large snake oil sellers, charlatans and even of quite questionable intelligence.

No debate or Rhetoric skills and when forced to debate, they rapidly descend to either threats or shrill screaming.

Couple that with the reactionary votes afforded to right wing parties in Europe is already declining and even Vox polled below their expectations in Spain.

Where is the support?
Where is the groundswell reaction that so many on the Irish right claim to be part of?

jackboy

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Where is the groundswell reaction that so many on the Irish right claim to be part of?[/QUOTE]

Depends what you mean by right. A lot of people would consider Fine Gael to be significantly right of center. If you are talking about far right, there is very little history of this in Ireland.

Stephen15

banie01 wrote: »

Where is this traction though?
Gemma, the Independents, Peter Casey?
Where is the groundswell of public support for racist political activism?
Gemma can't maintain a crowd of more than 20, nor command a credible vote in an election?
Peter Casey tanked?
The Nationa party haven't managed to even field a candidate in their term of existence.l
Renua have imploded.

Comparing our fringe to any of the movements you have listed is frankly ridiculous.
You know why? Because much as I may disagree with Vox, AFD, 5Star and the rest of the European right is that many of those involved in right wing politics in Europe are actually semi competent.

The National Party were only registered recently a few months. There is a lot involved in this country in setting up a political party from scratch. My point was why are there so many protests and people unhappy with these groups if they are such a small minority of people. Since there's only 20 people protesting at Google why is there a need for a counter demonstration.

Overheal

Stephen15 wrote: »

The National Party were only registered recently a few months. There is a lot involved in this country in setting up a political party from scratch. My point was why are there so many protests and people unhappy with these groups if they are such a small minority of people. Since there's only 20 people protesting at Google why is there a need for a counter demonstration.

What is wrong with counter demonstration?

MarquisDeSad

Overheal wrote: »

Stephen15 wrote: »

The National Party were only registered recently a few months. There is a lot involved in this country in setting up a political party from scratch. My point was why are there so many protests and people unhappy with these groups if they are such a small minority of people. Since there's only 20 people protesting at Google why is there a need for a counter demonstration.

What is wrong with counter demonstration?

It's apparently against free speech.

pinkyeye

Stephen15 wrote: »

The National Party were only registered recently a few months. There is a lot involved in this country in setting up a political party from scratch. My point was why are there so many protests and people unhappy with these groups if they are such a small minority of people. Since there's only 20 people protesting at Google why is there a need for a counter demonstration.

Because those 20 people are pissing off an awful lot of people on a daily basis.


Imagine having to go to work every day with those idiots outside your workplace?

Annasopra

Stephen15 wrote: »

Hazel Chu was calling for anti free speech hate speech laws

Hate speech isnt free speech. Do you condone the racist bullying of her this week?

Ha Long Bay

Stephen15 wrote: »

The National Party were only registered recently a few months. There is a lot involved in this country in setting up a political party from scratch. My point was why are there so many protests and people unhappy with these groups if they are such a small minority of people. Since there's only 20 people protesting at Google why is there a need for a counter demonstration.

Are you a supporter of the NP leader? Start at 8:50 in the video

banie01

jackboy wrote: »

Depends what you mean by right. A lot of people would consider Fine Gael to be significantly right of center. If you are talking about far right, there is very little history of this in Ireland.

It's fairly evident what right I mean from both the examples Stephen15 gave, and I gave in my reply.

I'd agree with you that in an Irish sense FG are a "rightist" party.
In the sense that they traditionally support business, lower tax for higher earners and what would generally be considered regressive/restrictive social welfare and health policies versus FF.
However in no way are they anything more than a slightly more business friendly centrist party.

The right being referred to by Stephen and I is that rightist nonsense that relies on identity politics rather than coherent policy.
The left is almost as bad with the rush to grabbing socialism and making each point of the right a bone of contention and confrontation.

We have a fairly narrow political spectrum and our main left/right parties fall either side of centre.

If the support Stephen claims is there for the extreme views he and others on this thread have espoused, actually exists?
Where is it?
Where is the groundswell?

Annasopra

Stephen15 wrote: »

If the "far right" like Gemma O'Doherty and the National Party are such a "small minority" in Ireland like people say why are you wasting your time talking about them so much here and on Twitter I don't understand. Why are people calling them dangerous in what way are they dangerous how can a small minority be dangerous to people.

I think the reason is because your afraid their message might actually gain traction and support from people and we can't be having that. You want a situation where democracy poses a threat to the establishment or see a party with the similar sucess to Trump, Swedish Democrats, The League, Austrian Freedom Party, Fidesz, Vox etc.

Two words. Jo Cox. This is where all this far right fascisct wgite christian supremacism is headed.

Yes fascism is dangerous and needs to be resisted.

batgoat

Stephen15 wrote: »

Hazel Chu was calling for anti free speech hate speech laws

Yawn, Stephen what you're doing is trying to justify the racism that Gemma and co engage in.

Stephen15 wrote: »

The National Party were only registered recently a few months. There is a lot involved in this country in setting up a political party from scratch. My point was why are there so many protests and people unhappy with these groups if they are such a small minority of people. Since there's only 20 people protesting at Google why is there a need for a counter demonstration.

Identity Ireland have been around for years and have had zero success. Barrett who attends Neo Nazi rallies is unlikely to gain support here thankfully.

The reason for a counter protest? Cause I don't really think any wishes to respect the nonsense coming out of her mouth. Her targeting of children in the past, which went viral amongst white supremacists across the globe pissed a lot of people off. She's encouraging the kind of people who engage in racist attacks, verbal and physical. So I'm guessing most are sick of the fact she's playing the victim. When she's really not. They're calling her **** out and the counter protesters have a hell of more support.

Annasopra

Stephen15 wrote: »

The National Party were only registered recently a few months. There is a lot involved in this country in setting up a political party from scratch. My point was why are there so many protests and people unhappy with these groups if they are such a small minority of people. Since there's only 20 people protesting at Google why is there a need for a counter demonstration.

In order to halt the growth of fascist hatred.