Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

Blueshoe

recedite wrote: »

Of course there is data. I'm not privy to it though, and I'm not even going to go searching for it because even if it was publicly available, it is likely to be hidden away, or disguised, or made inaccessible in some way.
Do you not understand that allocating college places is a zero sum game? That is the whole purpose and function of the CAO - to decide who gets a place and who does not.

Scholarships which artificially lower the points requirement for certain "preferred people" subvert this (otherwise merit-based) process.

It's a bit like gender quotas. Not earned.
A step backwards in evolution.

The strongest or brightest should be at the top as they have earned it. Otherwise it doesn't work.

It's insulting to women too. You got the job because you were born female. Well done

recedite

Blueshoe wrote: »

It's a bit like gender quotas. Not earned.
A step backwards in evolution.

Exactly.

Annasopra

Maybe we should reverse the whole sufragette movement and bring in the handmaids tale to please some posters around here.

Overheal

recedite wrote: »

Of course there is data. I'm not privy to it though, and I'm not even going to go searching for it because even if it was publicly available, it is likely to be hidden away, or disguised, or made inaccessible in some way.

Which is a meandering manner of saying you pulled it entirely out of your hat.

Scholarships which artificially lower the points requirement for certain "preferred people" subvert this (otherwise merit-based) process.

Which scholarship/points-tweaking activities are you referring to exactly?

Eric Cartman

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Maybe we should reverse the whole sufragette movement and bring in the handmaids tale to please some posters around here.

What is it with people on the left and handmaids tale crap, its a fictional show and at no point has Ireland been anything like that and nobody, not even the far right is looking for ireland to become anything remotely like that.

The only group vaugely calling for opression of women in modern Ireland is the islamic community.

Blueshoe

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Maybe we should reverse the whole sufragette movement and bring in the handmaids tale to please some posters around here.

Maybe both genders should be treated as equal and jobs awarded on merit.

The best person for the job and all that.

Applies in all of life's situations.

Why are so many racists also sexist?

cookie1977

recedite wrote: »

If you want the exact number, you'll have to ask one of the lefty professors in one of the colleges who organise this virtue signalling crap.

Yes, down with that sort of thing. To hell with facts! We need stories!

Stephen15

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I just posted a link to an article that says we're one the toughest countries, if not the toughest on immigration.

Do you actually read any links people send?

Are you so entrenched in your views that no amount of proof whatsoever will change them?

The link you sent seems to be contradicted by this more recent article so which one is the truth

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ireland-has-lowest-refusal-rate-of-asylum-applicants-920320.html

cookie1977

Stephen15 wrote: »

The link you sent seems to be contradicted by this more recent article so which one is the truth

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ireland-has-lowest-refusal-rate-of-asylum-applicants-920320.html

Hmmm, quote:
"The number of asylum seekers granted protection in Ireland last year represented 265 per million population — less than half the EU average of 650 per million."

Please read your own stories before hanging your entire argument on them.

Blueshoe

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why are so many racists also sexist?

Who are you calling Racist?


By saying both genders should be treated equal?

cookie1977

cookie1977 wrote: »

Hmmm, quote:
"The number of asylum seekers granted protection in Ireland last year represented 265 per million population — less than half the EU average of 650 per million."

Please read your own stories before hanging your entire argument on them.

That is quite the spectacular own goal there, Stephen.

Stephen15

cookie1977 wrote: »

Hmmm, quote:
"The number of asylum seekers granted protection in Ireland last year represented 265 per million population — less than half the EU average of 650 per million."

Please read your own stories before hanging your entire argument on them.

Still should be lower

Overheal

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What is it with people on the left and handmaids tale crap, its a fictional show and at no point has Ireland been anything like that and nobody, not even the far right is looking for ireland to become anything remotely like that.

The only group vaugely calling for opression of women in modern Ireland is the islamic community.

So that's why the repeal of the 8th passed by a 90:1 margin and no challenges?

AndrewJRenko

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What is it with people on the left and handmaids tale crap, its a fictional show and at no point has Ireland been anything like that and nobody, not even the far right is looking for ireland to become anything remotely like that.

The last Magdaline laundry closed in the 1990s. Homosexual sex was illegal into the 90s. Those of us who lived through the 70s and 80s remember well when Ireland was controlled by priests, brothers and other authoritarians.



And some of us are going to make sure that we're not going back there.

Blueshoe

Overheal wrote: »

So that's why the repeal of the 8th passed by a 90:1 margin and no challenges?

That's kind of his point

cookie1977

Stephen15 wrote: »

Still should be lower

Magnanimous in defeat too.

Overheal

Blueshoe wrote: »

That's kind of his point

How so?

Blueshoe

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The last Magdaline laundry closed in the 1990s. Homosexual sex was illegal into the 90s. Those of us who lived through the 70s and 80s remember well when Ireland was controlled by priests, brothers and other authoritarians.



And some of us are going to make sure that we're not going back there.

How will you do this?
By dilution of Catholics with Islam?
Is that the grand plan

Stephen15

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The last Magdaline laundry closed in the 1990s. Homosexual sex was illegal into the 90s. Those of us who lived through the 70s and 80s remember well when Ireland was controlled by priests, brothers and other authoritarians.



And some of us are going to make sure that we're not going back there.

Do you support Islamic immigration?

Blueshoe

Blueshoe wrote: »

Who are you calling Racist?


By saying both genders should be treated equal?

I didn't specify as to who I know is a racist there, btw.

Anyway...
You see, you're just never going to get it. It's never been equal, ever. You can't just start "being equal". It doesn't work like that.

Picture this.

Two athletes, both as good as each other in racing.

Athlete A has the entrance to the track, and turns up in loads of time, time to stretch, focus, etc.

Athlete B has another entrance, which is about 2 miles from the track.

Athlete B turns up at the starting line, winded as they had to run to make it to the starting line.

The marksman starts as they see both runners there.

But is it fair? No. Not at all. Neither is it equal.

They're as good as each other, but have different history, which affects how they run the race.

And of course Athlete B kicks up a stink about having to use the entrance 2 miles away, which in turn makes Athlete A kick up a stink as their advantage is in danger of being wiped out.


You'll never ever understand feminism, or equality until you look at the history of such movements.

cookie1977

Blueshoe wrote: »

How will you do this?
By dilution of Catholics with Islam?
Is that the grand plan

Oh dont worry, "No religion" will take care of that in due course...yippee


https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8rrc/

Blueshoe

Blueshoe wrote: »

That's kind of his point

Actually some Muslim and Protestant clerics supposed people voting pro choice before the referendum.

Stephen15

DubInMeath wrote: »

Actually some Muslim and Protestant clerics supposed people voting pro choice before the referendum.

Links please?

cookie1977

Stephen15 wrote: »

Links please?

Oh this from the man who hardly ever provides evidence....

Blueshoe

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I didn't specify as to who I know is a racist there, btw.

Anyway...
You see, you're just never going to get it. It's never been equal, ever. You can't just start "being equal". It doesn't work like that.

Picture this.

Two athletes, both as good as each other in racing.

Athlete A has the entrance to the track, and turns up in loads of time, time to stretch, focus, etc.

Athlete B has another entrance, which is about 2 miles from the track.

Athlete B turns up at the starting line, winded as they had to run to make it to the starting line.

The marksman starts as they see both runners there.

But is it fair? No. Not at all. Neither is it equal.

They're as good as each other, but have different history, which affects how they run the race.

And of course Athlete B kicks up a stink about having to use the entrance 2 miles away, which in turn makes Athlete A kick up a stink as their advantage is in danger of being wiped out.


You'll never ever understand feminism, or equality until you look at the history of such movements.

In modern Ireland what advantages do men have over women?
What are men allowed to do that women aren't?

cookie1977

Blueshoe wrote: »

In modern Ireland what advantages do men have over women?
What are men allowed to do that women aren't?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/gender-pay-gap-is-widening-in-ireland-cso-figures-show-1.3260896

The Nal

Stephen15 wrote: »

Links please?

lol FFS

Link here

cookie1977

cookie1977 wrote: »

Oh this from the man who hardly ever provides evidence....

...or looks at it.

Stephen15

Stephen15 wrote: »

Links please?

Easily found

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/church-of-ireland-bishop-supports-repeal-of-eighth-amendment-1.3461044

https://www.irishpost.com/news/leading-muslim-cleric-comes-support-repealing-irelands-abortion-laws-150412

Blueshoe

Blueshoe wrote: »

In modern Ireland what advantages do men have over women?
What are men allowed to do that women aren't?

I guess you missed the "historic" part of my post, and actually the general gist of the analogy.

Blueshoe

cookie1977 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/gender-pay-gap-is-widening-in-ireland-cso-figures-show-1.3260896

With educational differences such as that, it is no surprise that a third of women at work in Ireland in 2016 were employed in the health and education sectors, while the highest proportions of men were in construction, agriculture and transport.

Pay in different industries is different. Fairly obvious and straightforward.
If a man and woman are doing the same job they will be on the same pay.
Women leave their careers for a period of time to have children while men progress . Women don't work as long hours as men.
This has all been debunked many times.

Sonny noggs

Blueshoe wrote: »

What are men allowed to do that women aren't?

Sanitation engineers for a start. Haven’t seen many women collecting the bins.

Blueshoe

Blueshoe wrote: »

With educational differences such as that, it is no surprise that a third of women at work in Ireland in 2016 were employed in the health and education sectors, while the highest proportions of men were in construction, agriculture and transport.

Pay in different industries is different. Fairly obvious and straightforward.
If a man and woman are doing the same job they will be on the same pay.
Women leave their careers for a period of time to have children while men progress . Women don't work as long hours as men.
This has all been debunked many times.

And there's another thing. Women leave careers for a period of time to have children while men progress.

Women are only PROGRESSING THE POPULATION AND CIVILISATION!

And that's *fair*, how? Because of their genetic make up, women are at a disadvantage of men already. Why isn't there a push for the father's to be stay at home parents?

cookie1977

Blueshoe wrote: »

With educational differences such as that, it is no surprise that a third of women at work in Ireland in 2016 were employed in the health and education sectors, while the highest proportions of men were in construction, agriculture and transport.

Pay in different industries is different. Fairly obvious and straightforward.
If a man and woman are doing the same job they will be on the same pay.
Women leave their careers for a period of time to have children while men progress . Women don't work as long hours as men.
This has all been debunked many times.

Enlightened I see.


Well PWC reported on themselves:
https://www.pwc.ie/publications/2019/gender-pay-gap-report-pwc-ireland.pdf


Summary: 5.7% overall gender pay gap, 11.8% overall gender bonus gap.


THEY REPORTED THEMSELVES!!!

Stephen15

DubInMeath wrote: »

Easily found

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/church-of-ireland-bishop-supports-repeal-of-eighth-amendment-1.3461044

https://www.irishpost.com/news/leading-muslim-cleric-comes-support-repealing-irelands-abortion-laws-150412

Ok fair enough but tbh just because someone is pro choice dosen't nessecarily mean they are in favour of women's rights. Look at the countries in the world where women are the most oppressed what do they all have in common? They are nearly all predominantly Islamic

Overheal

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Sanitation engineers for a start. Haven’t seen many women collecting the bins.

That in no way indicates they are barred from entry.

Stephen15

Stephen15 wrote: »

Ok fair enough but tbh just because someone is pro choice dosen't nessecarily mean they are in favour of women's rights. Look at the countries in the world where women are the most oppressed what do they all have in common? They are nearly all predominantly Islamic

*Bangs head off wall*

cookie1977

Deleted User wrote: »

*Bangs head off wall*

Yes but you did not persuade him.

Stephen15

[Deleted User] wrote: »

*Bangs head off wall*

Good for you

Blueshoe

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Sanitation engineers for a start. Haven’t seen many women collecting the bins.

Who is stopping them? Haven't met too many women in the trades jobs either. Trades are making big money again. Who is stopping the women from becoming plumbers etc?

It's down to choice. They prefer to work in an office for average pay 9-5 while many men are outside doing construction work 7-6.
The pay will be vastly different as the job is different.

I'd like to see the stats of how many women are working in the trades. What would you imagine it is ?
2 or 3% maybe.

That's one example
Different industries pay different amounts.

If Hours worked , qualifications held and job type were exactly the same there would be no gap

What percentage of office admin staff are women?

Overheal

Stephen15 wrote: »

Ok fair enough but tbh just because someone is pro choice dosen't nessecarily mean they are in favour of women's rights. Look at the countries in the world where women are the most oppressed what do they all have in common? They are nearly all predominantly Islamic

What does one have to do with the other?

Annasopra

Overheal wrote: »

What does one have to do with the other?

Ah ya know some people just like shoehorning Islam bogeymen into evereything. It's a wonder they leave their houses sometimes for the fear they might see a Muslim.

Overheal

Blueshoe wrote: »

Who is stopping them? Haven't met too many women in the trades jobs either. Trades are making big money again. Who is stopping the women from becoming plumbers etc?

It's down to choice. They prefer to work in an office for average pay 9-5 while many men are outside doing construction work 7-6.
The pay will be vastly different as the job is different.

I'd like to see the stats of how many women are working in the trades. What would you imagine it is ?
2 or 3% maybe.

That's one example
Different industries pay different amounts.

If Hours worked , qualifications held and job type were exactly the same there would be no gap

Deeeepends. Useless anecdote: was in CFA this week and overheard a job interview for some college freshman; the manager offered her $11 even though the banner on the building said pay starting at $12-13/hr. Rightfully, the girl refused to accept the position on the spot and said she had other interviews. But it left me wondering why she was given a lower offer than the banner's own invitation to treat at $12+.

Stephen15

Stephen15 wrote: »

Ok fair enough but tbh just because someone is pro choice dosen't nessecarily mean they are in favour of women's rights. Look at the countries in the world where women are the most oppressed what do they all have in common? They are nearly all predominantly Islamic

You just keep changing the goalposts.

Yes, there are bad areas in the world.

Yes, a lot of these are Muslim countries.

Does that mean that everyone *who is running away from that country* acts like that? No. The reason they run is because they want a better life. And we can offer that to them.

You asked for links after someone posted

"Actually some Muslim and Protestant clerics supposed people voting pro choice before the referendum."

You got them. And then you moved the goalposts. Again.

You're a racist, and no amount of talking to you will change that. Hence me banging my head off a wall. I'd get a better response that way.

I feel sorry for you. It must be sh*t to live with that much fear hanging over you.

Stephen15

Stephen15 wrote: »

Ok fair enough but tbh just because someone is pro choice dosen't nessecarily mean they are in favour of women's rights. Look at the countries in the world where women are the most oppressed what do they all have in common? They are nearly all predominantly Islamic

Provide people with what they ask for and you get more well what about...
What about the recent changes in legislation in the U.S. regarding domestic violence, sexual assault and health care, where are the Muslims there?

Most of the anti choice posters on here aren't to found of women's rights and also tend to be both homophobic and anti immigration.

Blueshoe

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Ah ya know some people just like shoehorning Islam bogeymen into evereything. It's a wonder they leave their houses sometimes for the fear they might see a Muslim.

Unlikely. There isn't enough here yet and like all groups of immigrants they will all live in areas together. So unless you go into that area you won't see many of them.

There are parts of the UK that are Muslim majority.

Blueshoe

Blueshoe wrote: »

Unlikely. There isn't enough here yet and like all groups of immigrants they will all live in areas together. So unless you go into that area you won't see many of them.

There are parts of the UK that are Muslim majority.

Well, with the way you and a few others talk about them, I dont blame them for keeping themselves to themselves. You're not exactly the most welcoming bunch.

It takes two wings to help a bird fly after all.

Overheal

Stephen15 wrote: »

Do you support Islamic immigration?

I'm not who you asked, but you continue to act as if Islamic culture yields no value. No, I do not believe there should be a religious litmus test for immigration. "Sorry you identify as Jedi but that's not on the list." Ridiculous.

Stephen15

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, there are bad areas in the world.

Yes, a lot of these are Muslim countries.

So tell me if they come from a bad area of the world which is Muslim why do they continue to practice their faith and culture. Why do women continue to wear Niqabs even in the west? Why is FGM still practised in the west?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/01/fgm-mother-of-three-year-old-first-person-convicted-in-uk

Does that mean that everyone *who is running away from that country* acts like that? No. The reason they run is because they want a better life. And we can offer that to them.

So if they are running from a country why would they go back to that country on holidays something which even Angela Merkel has admitted.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/refugees-going-on-holidays-must-stop-says-merkel-36074971.html

You're a racist, and no amount of talking to you will change that. Hence me banging my head off a wall. I'd get a better response that way.

I feel sorry for you. It must be sh*t to live with that much fear hanging over you.

Please tell me specifically what race I have shown prejudice, discrimination or antagonism against?