Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

everlast75

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JustinBarrettNP/status/1170660298652565505

Strange advert from An Post that in fairness. Who is the black lad, the adopted son? Where is the father?

Who.
Gives.
A.
****?

Fan of Netflix

everlast75 wrote: »

Who.
Gives.
A.
****?

Triggered much? I just find it odd, the family dynamic isn't very clear.

Eric Cartman

everlast75 wrote: »

Who.
Gives.
A.
****?

if nobody cares who's in these family advertising photos, why arent they all all-white straight families like they all were 20 years ago here, sure it doesn't matter, why not just re-use the old model.

Fan of Netflix

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if nobody cares who's in these family advertising photos, why arent they all all-white straight families like they all were 20 years ago here, sure it doesn't matter, why not just re-use the old model.

It doesn't bother me and I have no time for Barrett etc but just a strange ad from An Post.

I think its an adopted son. No father. Not exactly a common family dynamic !

Timberrrrrrrr

Eric Cartman wrote: »

so looking at lidls site it appears that its the extended family (her parents included) that are 'the ryans' , they never mention her partners last name which is unlikely to be ryan. I think somebody just balls'd this one up making the ad.

that said, advertisers do like promoting multiculturalism visually, yet often try to avoid using hard to pronounce / unfamiliar names in ad's as it makes a lot of RACIST people feel uneasy.

Fixed that for you.

Ulysses Gaze

Eric Cartman wrote: »

she said lidl were injecting multiculturalism by calling a family with a black man 'the ryans' so i went and checked their site and saw that ryan is the surname of her family and they are 'the ryans' as lidl are talking about.

So yes she has completely invented this 'great replacement' crap and turned what was presumably a photoshop mistake (not including her parents) into some sort of racist agenda.

if you read what I say without pre-determining that im saying things you don't like, you might find out that we can agree sometimes.

That's been doing the rounds for decades. The Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan.

Ridiculous gob****ery that is spun by grifters like O'Doherty to try to....I don't even know what anymore.

It's not like she'd making a ton money off this ****e either.

Fan of Netflix

Gemmas husband was Italian wasn't he?

gmisk

She is now ranting about a cat because it is a mix of black and white.....not joking....lol

everlast75

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Triggered much? I just find it odd, the family dynamic isn't very clear.

Lol- triggered? What's next? Call me a libtard... or a cuck?

You're the guy bothered by the name on an advert. Step away from the keyboard. Go get some fresh air.... and some ****ing perspective.

Fan of Netflix

everlast75 wrote: »

Lol- triggered? What's next? Call me a libtard... or a cuck?

You're the guy bothered by the name on an advert. Step away from the keyboard. Go get some fresh air.... and some ****ing perspective.

Chilla fella, I think you need to take your own advice. I'm not bothered about any name on an advert, I never commented on the LIDL one.

Eric Cartman

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

if thats what you want to call it, Names and what people derive from them have a huge impact on many aspects of society, if that one subconscious derivation makes somebody a racist then about 75% of the world is racist. There are numerous peer reviewed studies on how having unfamiliar, foreign sounding or unpronounceable names impacts how most people respond to you or what you say.

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if nobody cares who's in these family advertising photos, why arent they all all-white straight families like they all were 20 years ago here, sure it doesn't matter, why not just re-use the old model.

Because, and believe this or not.. *whispers* there are some people MARRIED to a different race! Shock horror, eh?

So maybe, and this is so far out there, perhaps all white familes don't necessarily represent the entire nation.

What a world!?

Eric Cartman

everlast75 wrote: »

Because, and believe this or not.. *whispers* there are some people MARRIED to a different race! Shock horror, eh?

So maybe, and this is so far out there, perhaps all white familes don't necessarily represent the entire nation.

What a world!?

but I thought it didn't matter and 'nobody gave a f***' as you put it.

are you saying that if all ads were only white families that it would be a problem worth caring about , but pointing out any issue with an ad featuring a diverse family isn't worth giving a f*** about ?

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but I thought it didn't matter and 'nobody gave a f***' as you put it.

are you saying that if all ads were only white families that it would be a problem worth caring about , but pointing out any issue with an ad featuring a diverse family isn't worth giving a f*** about ?

It matters when people complain about an advert not being "all white".

And if you need me or anyone else to explain the connotation then there's no point.

Annasopra

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if nobody cares who's in these family advertising photos, why arent they all all-white straight families like they all were 20 years ago here, sure it doesn't matter, why not just re-use the old model.

Because the straight white nuclear family doesnt reflect most peoples reality nowadays. Whats the big deal?

pjohnson

Whats wrong with the family being called the Ryan family? Afaik children from unmarried couples take the mothers name the vast majority of the time so they would be the Ryan family?

Is it the potential child out of wedlock that causes the scandal?


Fook nowadays even in all white married couples women keep their maiden name.

Eric Cartman

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Because the straight white nuclear family doesnt reflect most peoples reality nowadays. Whats the big deal?

theres no deal, Fan of netflix thought a black guy looked out of place in an an post ad, which to be fair it kind of does , its just not a good photo. But asking that everlast insisted that it didnt matter who was in the photo, my point is that clearly everyone cares being some people want diversity reflective of Ireland, some want that stuff gone and some like gemma are convinced that its being forced as some giant conspiracy.

but yet again, companies do only white ads and people these days complain that theres not enough diversity and as you point it out, its not as dominant anymore as it once was, but heaven forbid a user dares raise a point that one ad looks a bit awkward or something and its the usual 'shut up talking about things like that, its all about just getting all the skin colours in there even if it just looks really badly staged'

pjohnson

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theres no deal, Fan of netflix thought a black guy looked out of place in an an post ad, which to be fair it kind of does , its just not a good photo. But asking that everlast insisted that it didnt matter who was in the photo, my point is that clearly everyone cares being some people want diversity reflective of Ireland, some want that stuff gone and some like gemma are convinced that its being forced as some giant conspiracy.

but yet again, companies do only white ads and people these days complain that theres not enough diversity and as you point it out, its not as dominant anymore as it once was, but heaven forbid a user dares raise a point that one ad looks a bit awkward or something and its the usual 'shut up talking about things like that, its all about just getting all the skin colours in there even if it just looks really badly staged'

But why cant they be the Ryan family? Are you unfamiliar with how last names work?

Timberrrrrrrr

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theres no deal, Fan of netflix thought a black guy looked out of place in an an post ad, which to be fair it kind of does , its just not a good photo. But asking that everlast insisted that it didnt matter who was in the photo, my point is that clearly everyone cares being some people want diversity reflective of Ireland, some want that stuff gone and some like gemma are convinced that its being forced as some giant conspiracy.

but yet again, companies do only white ads and people these days complain that theres not enough diversity and as you point it out, its not as dominant anymore as it once was, but heaven forbid a user dares raise a point that one ad looks a bit awkward or something and its the usual 'shut up talking about things like that, its all about just getting all the skin colours in there even if it just looks really badly staged'

Why?

Eric Cartman

pjohnson wrote: »

But why cant they be the Ryan family? Are you unfamiliar with how last names work?

while that man would be unlikely to be named ryan (unlikely, not impossible) unlikely is the only word ive used, Gemma thinks that the name is part of a forced agenda , obviously is incorrect as i discovered with a quick search of the advert, but as I further explained, if it wasn't ryan , the chances of an ad agency re naming them to ryan is pretty high.

Eric Cartman

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why?

the guy doesnt look old enough to be the mothers partner, is definitely not the father of the daughter, doesn't resemble most mixed race people so its unlikely the woman is his mother, theres no father in the picture at all which might of explained kid from previous relationship etc... they tried to convey a photo of a family unit, a family together having the craic to peddle post services. but while im sure somebody could absolutely find a case of a black kid adopted by a single white woman with a daughter and a cat, its really not representative of 99.98% of family situations in Ireland and in this context doesn't convey what im sure an post wanted to. It just feels like 'throw a token minority into a smiley mother and daughter pic'

ohnonotgmail

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Gemmas husband was Italian wasn't he?

white foreigners are ok to oul gems

batgoat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

while that man would be unlikely to be named ryan (unlikely, not impossible) unlikely is the only word ive used, Gemma thinks that the name is part of a forced agenda , obviously is incorrect as i discovered with a quick search of the advert, but as I further explained, if it wasn't ryan , the chances of an ad agency re naming them to ryan is pretty high.

I'm not really sure why it would be particularly unlikely. Paul McGrath and Phil Lynnott's surnames are improbable according to your logic.... Gemma is pushing more than a claim of a forced agenda, she's pushing a white supremacist conspiracy theory. Their surname surname is entirely irrelevant and should not be the matter up for debate.

LionelNashe

Lidl should have more sense than to be exposing their 97000 Twitter followers to G'ODs bull****. They're only doing it to get attention for their own ad campaigns, but they're boosting her profile in the process, just like the Green Party were doing lately. Chemtrail is small enough that she can be ignored. Her most likely way of getting new headlines and new followers is getting into public rows with Hazel Chu, Panty Bliss, Lidl, and so on.

tdf7187

gmisk wrote: »

She is now ranting about a cat because it is a mix of black and white.....not joking....lol

Is there any chance she's been playing some kind of elaborate practical joke over the last few years, along the lines of when Joaquin Phoenix pretended to go a bit dotty.

Ruxjit

It’s quite possible it’s all an act, having a large number of people following you on the internet can be quite lucrative.

What was her body of work like when worked for the independent? Has anyone digged up stuff she wrote before she turned into a nut job? Was she even a real journalist? I only heard of her a couple of months ago.

tdf7187

Ruxjit wrote: »

It’s quite possible it’s all an act, having a large number of people following you on the internet can be quite lucrative.

What was her body of work like when worked for the independent? Has anyone digged up stuff she wrote before she turned into a nut job? Was she even a real journalist? I only heard of her a couple of months ago.

Sorry but if you only heard of her a couple of months ago you must not follow current affairs very closely.

She was definitely a real journalist and in fact was regarded as a courageous one. She left the Independent because of her doorstepping a former Garda Commissioner and her employer didn't stick by her IIRC.

Morgans

https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/michael-clifford/in-truth-what-has-gemma-odoherty-exposed-473234.html

TaurenDruid

Eric Cartman wrote: »

while that man would be unlikely to be named ryan (unlikely, not impossible) unlikely is the only word ive used, Gemma thinks that the name is part of a forced agenda , obviously is incorrect as i discovered with a quick search of the advert, but as I further explained, if it wasn't ryan , the chances of an ad agency re naming them to ryan is pretty high.

Again - why would he be "unlikely" to be named Ryan?

Plenty of black and/or mixed race people have lived in Ireland, and have been Irish. For decades. Obviously many have Irish names:

Christine Buckley
Cyrus Christie
Chris Hughton
Phil Lynott
Clinton Morrison
Paul McGrath
David McGoldrick
Kevin Sharkey

Guy:Incognito

Should they tell actors/models that go for jobs that they cant have them because they are black?

davedanon

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Should they tell actors/models that go for jobs that they cant have them because they are black?

Who?

What jobs?

alastair

Eric Cartman wrote: »

while that man would be unlikely to be named ryan (unlikely, not impossible) unlikely is the only word ive used, Gemma thinks that the name is part of a forced agenda , obviously is incorrect as i discovered with a quick search of the advert, but as I further explained, if it wasn't ryan , the chances of an ad agency re naming them to ryan is pretty high.

Whitehouse correspondent April Ryan wants a word.

Sonics2k

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Should they tell actors/models that go for jobs that they cant have them because they are black?

According to some comments on Reddit Ireland, a guy there says he worked on the campaign and the people in the photos are actual families, and not professional models/actors.

The Nal

Sonics2k wrote: »

According to some comments on Reddit Ireland, a guy there says he worked on the campaign and the people in the photos are actual families, and not professional models/actors.

Who cares? Its a low budget ad for a discount supermarket chain. This is a political party shes running we're being lead to believe.

People must be so bored.

batgoat

Sonics2k wrote: »

According to some comments on Reddit Ireland, a guy there says he worked on the campaign and the people in the photos are actual families, and not professional models/actors.

Yes, Lidl had a followup tweet that they're in contact with the family as it's an incredibly uncomfortable experience.

Ash.J.Williams

Sonics2k wrote: »

According to some comments on Reddit Ireland, a guy there says he worked on the campaign and the people in the photos are actual families, and not professional models/actors.

why should we even question it

The Nal

The Nal wrote: »

Who cares? Its a low budget ad for a discount supermarket chain. This is a political party shes running we're being lead to believe.

People must be so bored.

Would you like your family being spoken about in the way gems and her ****knuckles do?

Personally I wouldn't be the type of person to take part in an advertising campaign but for whatever reason some people do and if there all to be targets for idiots, why not the ones where the da thinks he's a Viking?

WB Yokes

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

why should we even question it

Because its not common. Most of these ads, they use unrelated actors.

ohnonotgmail

WB Yokes wrote: »

Because its not common. Most of these ads use unrelated actors.

the ad that gemma commented on are a real family.

WB Yokes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the ad that gemma commented on are a real family.

Yes, i know.

ohnonotgmail

WB Yokes wrote: »

Yes, i know.

of course gemma did not know that but neither did she care. she just wanted her little bit of public racism for the day.

TaurenDruid

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Again - why would he be "unlikely" to be named Ryan?

Plenty of black and/or mixed race people have lived in Ireland, and have been Irish. For decades. Obviously many have Irish names:

Christine Buckley
Cyrus Christie
Chris Hughton
Phil Lynott
Clinton Morrison
Paul McGrath
David McGoldrick
Kevin Sharkey

You could add Chris De Burgh to the list, born in Argentina to an English dad and Irish mother, spent most of his early life in various countries before settling in Ireland.

Something tells me however that he wouldn't be an issue with some posters who need the above list

WB Yokes

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Again - why would he be "unlikely" to be named Ryan?

Plenty of black and/or mixed race people have lived in Ireland, and have been Irish. For decades. Obviously many have Irish names:

Christine Buckley
Cyrus Christie
Chris Hughton
Phil Lynott
Clinton Morrison
Paul McGrath
David McGoldrick
Kevin Sharkey

lol, david mcgoldrick, clinton morrison, cyrus christie and chris hughton arent Irish....

Morrison had to be corrected when he thought Ireland was part of the UK ffs.

TaurenDruid

Being the kid of an Irish citizen means you're Irish.

WB Yokes

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Being the kid of an Irish citizen means you're Irish.

If yer granny was Irish you can get a passport. Means nothing. Its a piece of paper. Not one of those mentioned would ever have pursued Irish citizenshiship if they were good enough to play for England.

A passport doesnt make you Irish imo. Tony Cascarino had an Irish passport and he had no family links to Ireland.

alastair

WB Yokes wrote: »

A passport doesnt make you Irish imo.

An opinion at odds with the Department of Foreign Affairs.

8-10

WB Yokes wrote: »

A passport doesnt make you Irish imo

It's not a matter of opinion though, it's how it is

TaurenDruid

WB Yokes wrote: »

If yer granny was Irish you can get a passport. Means nothing. Its a piece of paper. Not one of those mentioned would ever have pursued Irish citizenshiship if they were good enough to play for England.

A passport doesnt make you Irish imo. Tony Cascarino had an Irish passport and he had no family links to Ireland.

Bottom line is Cartman's claiming that "Ryan" would be an "unusual" surname for a non-white Irish person, when clearly there's no basis for that at all. And he's gone all quiet now...

davedanon

I actually assumed that the Ryan family were actors, too. I'm delighted to find out they are a real family.

TaurenDruid

davedanon wrote: »

I actually assumed that the Ryan family were actors, too. I'm delighted to find out they are a real family.

I know it's advertising and many advertisers play fast and loose with things they can get away with - but it's literally illegally to make a false statement in an advert.

If a Lidl advert says "The Ryans saved €xxx a month by moving their shopping to Lidl" then there has to be a real Ryan family who saved €xxx by moving their shopping to Lidl and the pictures they use have to be of the Ryan family - or, at least, carry a very specific disclaimer (such as "The Ryans were paid a gratuity for their time making this ad.")

Like, there's an ad on Nova at the moment with a guy giving a testimonial about a business, and there's a "small print" voiceover at the end saying something like "This is a real testimonial but voiced by an actor."