Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

Odhinn

pjohnson wrote: »

Needs an indepth analysis of his complete genealogy obviously. Maybe a DNA test aswell.

Poking with a stick as well. Very important.

WB Yokes

pjohnson wrote: »

Needs an indepth analysis of his complete genealogy obviously. Maybe a DNA test aswell.

Ah get out of here with your big english name.


Just kidding

pjohnson

WB Yokes wrote: »

Ah get out of here with your big english name.


Just kidding

Any luck with Dublin Bus?

Overheal

WB Yokes wrote: »

Why would that be the end of the conversation? What type of conversations do you have lol

Stop beating around the bush or at least put some thought into the questions you are firing at me.

I’m not beating around any bush sir.

You said you’d ask a black coworker where they are from. I asked if the black coworker responded to you by stating they were of the same nationality as you, from the same country of origin, if that would be the end of that conversation (ie. “Where are you from?”) you answered no it wouldn’t be. So I asked you what additional questions would you have for the black coworker. You’ve responded by huffing, ‘why would that be the end of the conversation?’ Yet you haven’t actually specified how that conversation would continue.

I’ll ask again: what is your follow up for a black coworker that responds he is from your same country of origin when you asked him where you are from?

WB Yokes

Overheal wrote: »

I’m not beating around any bush sir.

You said you’d ask a black coworker where they are from. I asked if the black coworker responded to you by stating they were of the same nationality as you, from the same country of origin, if that would be the end of that conversation (ie. “Where are you from?”) you answered no it wouldn’t be. So I asked you what additional questions would you have for the black coworker. You’ve responded by huffing, ‘why would that be the end of the conversation?’ Yet you haven’t actually specified how that conversation would continue.

I’ll ask again: what is your follow up for a black coworker that responds he is from your same country of origin when you asked him where you are from?

The exact same as it would be to anybody else. What part of....... are you from?

What are you trying to achieve here with this line of questioning?

I have co workers from everywhere, munich, london, liverpool, bucharest.... i know where they are from because once upon a time i asked them...

davedanon

So, you (Yokes) acquire a new (black) workmate.

You: "Hi. Where are you from?"

Him: "Clondalkin. Why?"

You: .........?

Ash.J.Williams

WB Yokes wrote: »

So you were born here and your family came here 100s of years ago... You are Irish or British then. What part of Ireland are you from?

How can I be British ya gobsh1te

WB Yokes

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

How can I be British ya gobsh1te

How cant you?

Overheal

WB Yokes wrote: »

The exact same as it would be to anybody else. What part of....... are you from?

What are you trying to achieve here with this line of questioning?

I have co workers from everywhere, munich, london, liverpool, bucharest.... i know where they are from because once upon a time i asked them...

The coworker says he’s from X village over in Y county. Anything further?

WB Yokes

davedanon wrote: »

So, you (Yokes) acquire a new (black) workmate.

You: "Hi. Where are you from?"

Him: "Clondalkin. Why?"

You: .........?

No one asks why.... you really need to converse more with people in real life. Not on the internet. Lack of social skills is evident in this thread.

Ash.J.Williams

WB Yokes wrote: »

How cant you?

Because I was born in Ireland

WB Yokes

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Because I was born in Ireland

Yes but you didnt state where and i asked if you were born on this island, not in Ireland. You were fairly vague.

davedanon

Anyone who thinks of themselves as a well-meaning, non-racist white person (maybe you say things like "I don't see colour" or "I treat everyone the same") should read several editions of the Irish Times series "New to the Parish", to find out just how tired people of colour are of the "where are you from, no but, where are you really from?" question.

A tip. You're only entitled to bring it up, in a friendly casual way, once you've actually made friends. Maybe personal lives and stuff comes up in conversation, or whatever. Don't blurt the question out 3 minutes after you've met. Even if you're genuinely curious and being friendly, it's stepping over the line. Like asking someone you've just met who's non-hetero about their sexuality, or a disabled, wheelchair-bound person how they handle getting on the bus, or whatever.

I hasten to add, I have been that person.

davedanon

WB Yokes wrote: »

No one asks why.... you really need to converse more with people in real life. Not on the internet. Lack of social skills is evident in this thread.

What's with the low-level ad-hom abuse, pal? No-one's ever felt the need to accuse me of lacking social skills on here before. Are you feeling threatened or something?

WB Yokes

davedanon wrote: »

What's with the low-level ad-hom abuse, pal? No-one's ever felt the need to accuse me of lacking social skills on here before. Are you feeling threatened or something?

Threatened yeah thats it. Good man.

Tokyo

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

How can I be British ya gobsh1te

WB Yokes wrote: »

No one asks why.... you really need to converse more with people in real life. Not on the internet. Lack of social skills is evident in this thread.

Mod: quit it with the dickish personal comments.

WB Yokes

davedanon wrote: »

Anyone who thinks of themselves as a well-meaning, non-racist white person (maybe you say things like "I don't see colour" or "I treat everyone the same") should read several editions of the Irish Times series "New to the Parish", to find out just how tired people of colour are of the "where are you from, no but, where are you really from?" question.

A tip. You're only entitled to bring it up, in a friendly casual way, once you've actually made friends. Maybe personal lives and stuff comes up in conversation, or whatever. Don't blurt the question out 3 minutes after you've met. Even if you're genuinely curious and being friendly, it's stepping over the line. Like asking someone you've just met who's non-hetero about their sexuality, or a disabled, wheelchair-bound person how they handle getting on the bus, or whatever.

I hasten to add, I have been that person.

The biggest pile of shìte post ive ever read. Congratulations.

WB Yokes

Overheal wrote: »

The coworker says he’s from X village over in Y county. Anything further?

You are being silly now. Looking for something thats not there maybe?

Quantum Erasure

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the guy doesnt look old enough to be the mothers partner, is definitely not the father of the daughter, doesn't resemble most mixed race people so its unlikely the woman is his mother, theres no father in the picture at all which might of explained kid from previous relationship etc...

maybe the father is at work, she's a stay at home mum, more traditional than most households these days

Timberrrrrrrr

WB Yokes wrote: »

The biggest pile of shìte post ive ever read. Congratulations.

I see the self destruct button has been mashed, I look forward to the whinging about how another "right" leaning poster has been "unfairly" banned :rolleyes:

davedanon

WB Yokes wrote: »

The biggest pile of shìte post ive ever read. Congratulations.

More abuse, no engagement with the actual text.

WB Yokes

davedanon wrote: »

More abuse, no engagement with the actual text.

Id never abuse you... just your post. I believe i played by the rules.

Overheal

WB Yokes wrote: »

You are being silly now. Looking for something thats not there maybe?

I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying that would be the end of the conversation, then, or did you have more questions for the lad?

WB Yokes

Overheal wrote: »

I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying that would be the end of the conversation, then, or did you have more questions for the lad?

If i know the place or i had been there i might comment maybe, general conversation, normal stuff or so i thought. Apparently these days its rude. Might offend someone and ill be in the Irish Times "New to the parish"

jackboy

davedanon wrote: »

Anyone who thinks of themselves as a well-meaning, non-racist white person (maybe you say things like "I don't see colour" or "I treat everyone the same") should read several editions of the Irish Times series "New to the Parish", to find out just how tired people of colour are of the "where are you from, no but, where are you really from?" question.

A tip. You're only entitled to bring it up, in a friendly casual way, once you've actually made friends. Maybe personal lives and stuff comes up in conversation, or whatever. Don't blurt the question out 3 minutes after you've met. Even if you're genuinely curious and being friendly, it's stepping over the line. Like asking someone you've just met who's non-hetero about their sexuality, or a disabled, wheelchair-bound person how they handle getting on the bus, or whatever.

I hasten to add, I have been that person.

This is just generally Irish people being friendly and curious. It is laughable to suggest that it is somehow racist. Irish people will ask that of anyone who appears to have heritage outside Ireland, whether that person may be African, Eastern European or Asian.

Yes, it will be a pain to get that question over and over again. That’s life.

davedanon

jackboy wrote: »

This is just generally Irish people being friendly and curious. It is laughable to suggest that it is somehow racist. Irish people will ask that of anyone who appears to have heritage outside Ireland, whether that person may be African, Eastern European or Asian.

Yes, it will be a pain to get that question over and over again. That’s life.

You're missing the point. I never said it was racist, although it does constitute a sort of benign racial profiling. We 'Irish' just have to get over the notion that having black people who are born here, or have Irish names, is some sort of sensational topic that simply must be addressed ASAP. It's a fact. People of colour might be polite about it, but they roll their fecking eyes when they hear that question trotted out yet again. Ok, some oul' wan who grew up when it was acceptable to have a dog named n****r is probably never going to be that PC, but is it too much to ask that people of a more recent vintage might smell the coffee and up their game a bit?


"Irish people will ask that of anyone who appears to have heritage outside Ireland, whether that person may be African, Eastern European or Asian.
Yes, it will be a pain to get that question over and over again. Thats life"

Yes. That's just making my point for me.

"That's life". And that sounds a bit like "tough **** pal, we didn't ask you to come over here"

Sofiztikated

To be fair, asking people where they are from is akin to talking about the weather. I ****ing despise making small talk about the weather, but I still do it.

Asking people where they are from usually leads to, "Oh, d'ya know Paddy, lives in the house, drives a car, I think it's white. Yeah, he's a bit of a head melter."

Nowt racist about asking someone where they are from.

WB Yokes

Sofiztikated wrote: »

To be fair, asking people where they are from is akin to talking about the weather. I ****ing despise making small talk about the weather, but I still do it.

Asking people where they are from usually leads to, "Oh, d'ya know Paddy, lives in the house, drives a car, I think it's white. Yeah, he's a bit of a head melter."

Nowt racist about asking someone where they are from.

Exactly. Especially at work if you are working in close quarters with a colleague for a period of time or get chatting to someone in pub or nightclub. You will talk about anything. As you said small talk.


But racism..... :rolleyes:

jackboy

davedanon wrote: »

"That's life". And that sounds a bit like "tough **** pal, we didn't ask you to come over here"

It sounds nothing like that. You are really looking hard for a hint of racism. There are racist people in Ireland but generally Ireland is less racist than most countries.

WB Yokes

jackboy wrote: »

It sounds nothing like that. You are really looking hard for a hint of racism. There are racist people in Ireland but generally Ireland is less racist than most countries.

Have a look at some of the questions i was asked. The lads are sweating to point out racism. Pathetic.

davedanon

jackboy wrote: »

It sounds nothing like that. You are really looking hard for a hint of racism. There are racist people in Ireland but generally Ireland is less racist than most countries.

Yes, thankfully, although spend time on here (boards in general) and you'd wonder.

The point stands. People living here who aren't white Irish roll their eyes every time some native says yes-but-where-are-you-really-from.

WB Yokes

One of the main issues black people face in Ireland is being asked where they are really from...

Imagine that even being an issue. If thats the height of what black people are giving out about then i think we are doing a good job.

Sofiztikated

davedanon wrote: »

Yes, thankfully, although spend time on here (boards in general) and you'd wonder.

The point stands. People living here who aren't white Irish roll their eyes every time some native says yes-but-where-are-you-really-from.

I get that to, and I'm white Irish. I don't have a typical Cavan accent, I'm not from the parish, but living here almost 15 years.

Don't get me wrong, there's some ****wits about, and it gets old real fast, but 99 times out of 100, it's harmless.

TaurenDruid

WB Yokes wrote: »

One of the main issues black people face in Ireland is being asked where they are really from...

Imagine that even being an issue.

Yes, Stephen. Because while "where are you from" might be (misguided) friendly chat on the part of the person asking, "where are you really from" carries the implication "nah, you're claiming to be Irish, but you're not really Irish. 'Cos Irish people are white."

Fibromyalgia

Gemma had huge potential to be an Irish Richard D Hall but she has blown it and made herself completely toxic the past year by being obsessed with race/immigration/Islam

WB Yokes

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Yes, Stephen. Because while "where are you from" might be (misguided) friendly chat on the part of the person asking, "where are you really from" carries the implication "nah, you're claiming to be Irish, but you're not really Irish. 'Cos Irish people are white."

How often is that even being said to people though, we dont know. Id say very rarely. As i said if thats one of the main things black people complain about in Ireland then we are doing something right.

Look at other countries, there are racist attacks on people regularly. Its extremly rare here. And dont call me Stephen ive no idea who he is.

davedanon

WB Yokes wrote: »

How often is that even being said to people though, we dont know. Id say very rarely. As i said if thats one of the main things black people complain about in Ireland then we are doing something right.

Look at other countries, there are racist attacks on people regularly. Its extremly rare here. And dont call me Stephen ive no idea who he is.

I've done no research but what I reckon is what I want to believe is true. I've done no research. Racist attacks are extremely rare here I've done no research but that's what I think and I should know I was born here I've done no research.

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WB Yokes

davedanon wrote: »

I've done no research but what I reckon is what I want to believe is true. I've done no research. Racist attacks are extremely rare here I've done no research but that's what I think and I should know I was born here I've done no research.

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Go ahead dave the floor is yours....

Ralph Ciffereto

It can't be too many misteps before she's banned from Facebook and Twitter. She surely will reach a point where there'll be an incident leading to her sectioning after that. At the height of the protests in her videos she looked like she hadn't washed in days in some of them.

AndrewJRenko

Interesting to see the blatant squealing of the Milo and other facists about being deplatformed.

It is clearly all about the money.

https://twitter.com/gwensnyderPHL/status/1170818436202737667

Overheal

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Interesting to see the blatant squealing of the Milo and other facists about being deplatformed.

It is clearly all about the money.

https://twitter.com/gwensnyderPHL/status/1170818436202737667

He’s living in Lebanon? lol

AngryHippie

WB Yokes wrote: »

Who is Stephen and why are you asking?

Quack Quack

Stephen is a dear old friend who likes to bundle Citizenship, Ethnicity and Nationality into the same basket as though the rich tapestry of modern multicultural human existence had 4 colors (Black, White, Yellow and Brown) and a tolerant culture only had to look at which color you were to determine who you are and where you are from.

Unfortunately, Stephen is about 85 years too late to the concept of human migration.

Anyone from anywhere can be naturalized to be a citizen of any country after fulfilling the requirements of the adopting nation (for the most part)

After 4-5 generations of Post-War international travel, displacement and movement, ethnic groups have crossed, mingled, procreated and integrated to the point where ethnicity has no clear polar identifying features.

Nationality is generally considered to be the place where you were granted citizenship at birth, up until the point where you have a dual citizenship, at that point a dual nationality may arise depending on your age, integration, family ties etc.

Our friend Stephen like to muddy the waters surrounding these realities above because he has an irrational fear of people that don't fit into his clearly defined delusional boxes.

People are People, the world over. We've been learning about it and talking about it since Shakespeare in English-Speaking culture, longer still in Middle Eastern and Asian Cultures. Our current world and future depends on moving past xenophobia to reduce the prevalence of ethnicity based discrimination, abuse and crime. This worries Stephen as it means someday, the world won't be ruled by a cabal of wealthy old white men. Stephen should be more worried about the ****ty job the wealthy old white men have been doing since the dawn of time, as evidenced by human history since the French revolution in particular.

TL;DR -
don't be a closet racist or xenophobe. Have the moxy to say what you feel and what you mean instead of obfuscating the world into some sort of alternate reality where people are fundamentally different because of where they were born or the color of their skin.

WB Yokes

AngryHippie wrote: »

Quack Quack

Stephen is a dear old friend

Great. Thats all you had to say. I didnt need a load of waffle along with it.

Tokyo

WB Yokes wrote: »

Great. Thats all you had to say. I didnt need a load of waffle along with it.

Mod: WB Yokes - if you don't stop it with the needlessly antagonistic and dickish replies, I'll remove your access to the thread.

WB Yokes

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I see the self destruct button has been mashed, I look forward to the whinging about how another "right" leaning poster has been "unfairly" banned :rolleyes:

You ok Timber?

pjohnson

WB Yokes wrote: »

You ok Timber?

I'm worried you havent found C&T yet.

WB Yokes

pjohnson wrote: »

I'm worried you havent found C&T yet.

Yous are fond of talking in riddles around this place. What are you shìteing about now?

davedanon

WB Yokes wrote: »

One of the main issues black people face in Ireland is being asked where they are really from...

Imagine that even being an issue. If thats the height of what black people are giving out about then i think we are doing a good job.

Yes, because that's exactly what I said.

Tokyo

Mod: WB Yokes - threadbanned for ignoring my earlier warning.



Everybody else - enough warnings have been handed out about sniping and shïtposting at this stage. No more warnings - threadbans from here on in.

davedanon

Anyway. What's our Gems been up to lately? anyone know?