Luke Kelly statue vandalised

gormdubhgorm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

At least you are from the area and can say it as it is. Since the regeneration a lot of the talk from the outside seemed to be sort of arty farty and idealism. Always talking things up, new hope, new dawn etc.

I don't know which is worse, people showing open hostility towards their own community; or outsiders begrudging them a harmless slogan like "new hope".

God protect the young people of Ballymun from a bit of idealism.

gormdubhgorm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't know which is worse, people showing open hostility towards their own community; or outsiders begrudging them a harmless slogan like "new hope".

God protect the young people of Ballymun from a bit of idealism.

Ah all nampy-pamby and touchy feely guff annoys me. I am a cynical auld git.
But if you buy into all the 'new hope' stuff, more power to ya!

Pawwed Rig

I would guess using 'No Hope' might seem a bit demotivational

gormdubhgorm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I would guess using 'No Hope' might seem a bit demotivational

Well done.
If slogans like that were used in disadvantaged areas, at least it bring about a bit of realism.
It could work in a reverse psychology manner. Someone could spray paint over the 'no' and feel good about themselves when left with - 'hope'. :rolleyes:

arybvtcw0eolkf

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I only ever saw that school from the outside looks like a prison with the high walls. :eek:

Sad state of affairs that things have to protected and locked away. At least you are from the area and can say it as it is. Since the regeneration a lot of the talk from the outside seemed to be sort of arty farty and idealism. Always talking things up, new hope, new dawn etc.

The Ballymun regeneration has been a clusterfvck from the start.

Any of the older Ballymun residents will tell you that apart from the anti social problems in the it still had a community. It had a shopping center with a bank & post office, two pubs in the SC (The Penthouse and The Towers) and a medical center but that's all gone now and now the nearest shopping center is the Omni in Santry, a very long way from most of Ballymun's residents.

But most important of all it had lots and lots of green area's, replaced by high density housing & CCTV camera's, which are surrounded by bollards and other security measures to stop them being destroyed.

If you go to any of the few Ballymun facebook groups you'll see the destruction the regeneration has brought to the community. Just counting the CCTV camera's around the Poppintree ring road there are over 30 (from memory I think I counted 36), and they haven't stopped hoards of teens and preteens wheelies scramblers and quads up and down Balbutcher Lane. Plus the CCTV cams have drove the drug dealing into the courts, go into the courts any day or night and you could be forgiven in thinking you're on the set of The Wire.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades, spend an evening in Ballymun or Sheriff Street (proper), you'd be eaten alive. They'd have you sussed in minutes and they've put a green light on you.

If people like you like statues like horses with young tracksuit wearing riders then try erect one in Foxrock or some of the other leafy suburbs and they too will eat you alive.

Anyone remember the Cows parade in 2003?.. LINK

Yup, they too had to be relocated because of mindless vandalism

The CowParade has run successfully in several other cities around the world, including London, Auckland, New York and Sydney. In no other city have cows needed to be relocated.

"In Dublin, they were damaged so quickly and so extensively," Mr Gerard Beshoff, the project director of CowParade Ireland, said. "The one on Liffey Street was beheaded. Someone needed a saw to do that; it was fibreglass.

"Both wings were torn off the one in Westmoreland Street. One was stolen, but later recovered. They all had graffiti on them within hours."

"It's so depressing, but not surprising," Ms Amy Wallace, account executive of CowParade Ireland, said. "The awful thing is, we were kind of expecting it in Dublin."

Right back to the Luke Kelly statue. Like most people I think its grotesque too, but it shouldn't be attacked, but it will be. This will be a continuing story.

SlowMotion321

Christian Red Logging wrote: »

The Ballymun regeneration has been a clusterfvck from the start.

Any of the older Ballymun residents will tell you that apart from the anti social problems in the it still had a community. It had a shopping center with a bank & post office, two pubs in the SC (The Penthouse and The Towers) and a medical center but that's all gone now and now the nearest shopping center is the Omni in Santry, a very long way from most of Ballymun's residents.

But most important of all it had lots and lots of green area's, replaced by high density housing & CCTV camera's, which are surrounded by bollards and other security measures to stop them being destroyed.

If you go to any of the few Ballymun facebook groups you'll see the destruction the regeneration has brought to the community. Just counting the CCTV camera's around the Poppintree ring road there are over 30 (from memory I think I counted 36), and they haven't stopped hoards of teens and preteens wheelies scramblers and quads up and down Balbutcher Lane. Plus the CCTV cams have drove the drug dealing into the courts, go into the courts any day or night and you could be forgiven in thinking you're on the set of The Wire.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades, spend an evening in Ballymun or Sheriff Street (proper), you'd be eaten alive. They'd have you sussed in minutes and they've put a green light on you.

If people like you like statues like horses with young tracksuit wearing riders then try erect one in Foxrock or some of the other leafy suburbs and they too will eat you alive.

Anyone remember the Cows parade in 2003?.. LINK

Yup, they too had to be relocated because of mindless vandalism




Right back to the Luke Kelly statue. Like most people I think its grotesque too, but it shouldn't be attacked, but it will be. This will be a continuing story.

Spent all of my youf growing up in the 70's and 80's between Finglas and Ballymun, taught in the comp a bit in the 90's and still live here, What he said!

arybvtcw0eolkf

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Spent all of my youf growing up in the 70's and 80's between Finglas and Ballymun, taught in the comp a bit in the 90's and still live here, What he said!

I'm guessing teaching in The Comp had its challenges in the 90's?.

Heroin was hitting Ballymun particularly hard in the 80's and 90's. I was out of my teens by the late 80's and away from the blocks (but still living in Poppintree, but not around the blocks anymore. I'm sure if you were a teacher in the comp you'll get me).

I've long moved on from growing up in Ballymun and starting a family in Sheriff St and Eastwall, my children were the first in my family to move into third level education but my folks, brother and sister are still living in Ballymun and my roots are still there.

Growing up in the old Ballymun was fantastic, I've brilliant memories of 'the flats, 'the seven pitches, Santry woods etc.. All my family done well for themselves but we know 'the sh*t too so when people who haven't a clue what growing up in these area's telling us how we should see and thinking of ourselves they'll have to forgive me for thinking they're a little foolish, butt out of it because well, they'd have a green light put on them in these area's and eaten alive.

Right my last word on it, I wonder at the likes of the simple fool who is charged in vandalizing the Luke Kelly head, no doubt the asshole needs a slap or twelve up side the head.

Nice trip down memory lane all the same. Tough times but right now I wouldn't change it for a thing, I'm equipt to deal with any asshole who thinks he can step up to me and my community.

So teaching in The Comp, there must be a book in you

EmmetSpiceland

Ring-a-ring a rosie, as the light declines...

DVDM93

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Ring-a-ring a rosie, as the light declines...

I remember Dublin city in the rare ould times.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Christian Red Logging wrote: »

I'm guessing teaching in The Comp had its challenges in the 90's?.

Heroin was hitting Ballymun particularly hard in the 80's and 90's. I was out of my teens by the late 80's and away from the blocks (but still living in Poppintree, but not around the blocks anymore. I'm sure if you were a teacher in the comp you'll get me).

I've long moved on from growing up in Ballymun and starting a family in Sheriff St and Eastwall, my children were the first in my family to move into third level education but my folks, brother and sister are still living in Ballymun and my roots are still there.

Growing up in the old Ballymun was fantastic, I've brilliant memories of 'the flats, 'the seven pitches, Santry woods etc.. All my family done well for themselves but we know 'the sh*t too so when people who haven't a clue what growing up in these area's telling us how we should see and thinking of ourselves they'll have to forgive me for thinking they're a little foolish, butt out of it because well, they'd have a green light put on them in these area's and eaten alive.

Right my last word on it, I wonder at the likes of the simple fool who is charged in vandalizing the Luke Kelly head, no doubt the asshole needs a slap or twelve up side the head.

Nice trip down memory lane all the same. Tough times but right now I wouldn't change it for a thing, I'm equipt to deal with any asshole who thinks he can step up to me and my community.

So teaching in The Comp, there must be a book in you

There is some amount of rose tinted rubbish in this post.

"Put a green light on ... Slap upside the head"

Ascribing noble principled reasons for the vandalism of the statue. The statue is vandalised for one simple reason. Rats who have nothing better to do with their time other than to cause a nuisance. Nothing to do with having an objection to the statue.

Your hard man act on here is tiresome. You're a spoofer!

Hangdogroad

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

There is some amount of rose tinted rubbish in this post.

"Put a green light on ... Slap upside the head"

Ascribing noble principled reasons for the vandalism of the statue. The statue is vandalised for one simple reason. Rats who have nothing better to do with their time other than to cause a nuisance. Nothing to do with having an objection to the statue.

Your hard man act on here is tiresome. You're a spoofer!

That's a very odd and inaccurate interpretation of the above post.

SlowMotion321

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

There is some amount of rose tinted rubbish in this post.

"Put a green light on ... Slap upside the head"

Ascribing noble principled reasons for the vandalism of the statue. The statue is vandalised for one simple reason. Rats who have nothing better to do with their time other than to cause a nuisance. Nothing to do with having an objection to the statue.

Your hard man act on here is tiresome. You're a spoofer!

Did you read the same post as me? There was no mention of the scumbags who lived there at the time, the drug dealers, the vandals and the fact that if you didn't grow up there you were taking your life in your hands walking down certain roads! True! But there was no denial that they were there either! Rather there was reference to the great amount of good there was in those places too, friends and neighbors ready to help at the drop of a hat, the fact that there were lovely open spaces too for kids to grow up in and have adventures and skinned knees, I kissed my first girl on the seven pitches Misty eyed? Probably but so what? True? Certainly!

Don't know about you but I remember all the good of growing up where I lived more than I decry the bad!

The Comp?:D The tales I could tell:D

Hard Man? I have walked down many dark streets in many cities, I'm no hard man, but I am confident that I am competent enough to walk them without fear! (but with a big stick )

ShatterAlan

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

They should be forced to join the army or the navy the fcukin useless layabouts and take them off the streets.
They’re decades laying about claiming their entitlements while normal people head off to work for the day.
Meanwhile johnny the pond rat sits at home drinking,drugging and being a nuisance to society.there isn’t a days good in them pond rats and the more resources thrown at them the more they want and the more we waste.
The pond rat breeds then to ensure the next generation of layabouts all the while spending his or her entitlements on their own selfish needs instead of providing for the pond rat litter.
It’s the state’s responsibility to rear them.
A fcukin jokeshop of a country.
He hadn’t even the guts to admit he did it then so it’s an expensive case in September with the tax payer footing the bill for the pond rats day out.
A grade A pond rat that is and there’s a pocket of them in every parish in the country.
A vermin on society.

What the fcuk would they do in the army of navy? The defence forces isn't a babysitting service for scumbags.


And a jokeshop of a country you say? Point out a country that isn't a jokeshop because no scumbags exist in that country.

josip

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

...
Your hard man act on here is tiresome. You're a spoofer!

Paddy, are you too new on boards or just unaware of Makikomi's background to post something stupid like that ?

arybvtcw0eolkf

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Did you read the same post as me? There was no mention of the scumbags who lived there at the time, the drug dealers, the vandals and the fact that if you didn't grow up there you were taking your life in your hands walking down certain roads! True! But there was no denial that they were there either! Rather there was reference to the great amount of good there was in those places too, friends and neighbors ready to help at the drop of a hat, the fact that there were lovely open spaces too for kids to grow up in and have adventures and skinned knees, I kissed my first girl on the seven pitches Misty eyed? Probably but so what? True? Certainly!

Don't know about you but I remember all the good of growing up where I lived more than I decry the bad!

The Comp?:D The tales I could tell:D

Hard Man? I have walked down many dark streets in many cities, I'm no hard man, but I am confident that I am competent enough to walk them without fear! (but with a big stick )

Yea Ballymun had its problems, a lot of problems in fact and made worse by the regeneration project.

Remember the Concerned Parents Against Drugs marches on dealers, the SF/IRA prisoner (they called them POW's) fund raising rallies in the field behind Coultry Flats and the strong NaFianna Eireann presence.

In the early 70's the flats became a dumping ground for the poor people of Belfast who were ran out of their houses, we called them 'the refugees', which they were of course.

I think Ballymun was fairly unique in that it was one of the first satelite towns to be built in the country and lots of mistakes were made, but like I said it had a great community too.

Anyway.

Luke Kelly, the horse in the comp and the cows parade.. All attacked by pricks with little else to occupy their time with.

Paddy Losty, the taxi driver.. I'm not a hard man by any stretch of the imagination. I'm fairly open about myself here and I'm a straight talker (which probably rubs some people up the wrong way but thats never my intention. I'm also one of the very few who has posted photos of themselves (you'll find them if you look), the Judo club I train in, where I run and swim (all easily found with a search). Now you make yourself look small (btw, I was in your taxi if you remember. You are a small little overweight lad) when you name call over an interest forum, grow a pair if you want to do that crap . Other than that I wish you the best, it can't be easy working a taxi during the virus. You didn't look the fittest or in great health so take it easy and look after your health.

Right, I'm just off for a nap. Being a hard man & a spoofer is damned tiring the older one gets

Necro

Mod:

Pintman Paddy Losty and Makikomi, cut out the squabbling or further sanctions will follow

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mod Snip

Ah look it there's no point in carrying it on.

Give Luke Kelly's head peace

All joking aside it must be awful for Luke's family to see the constant vandalism, as awful as it is to most people its still a reminder of the great man he was.

Signore Fancy Pants

Christian Red Logging wrote: »

Paddy Losty, the taxi driver.. I was in your taxi if you remember. You are a small little overweight lad)

Fcuking LOL! :pac:

Also, havent read the whole thread, is yer man that has been arrested allegedly responsible for all the vandalism of Lukes mush or just one count?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Fcuking LOL! :pac:

Also, havent read the whole thread, is yer man that has been arrested allegedly responsible for all the vandalism of Lukes mush or just one count?

Just one account of vandalism, the last one.

Signed 'ardman of AH

Pintman Paddy Losty

Not going to engage with that poster any further as there is a mod warning in place.

Just like to set the record straight though. I'm not a taximan, and if I was I would only take fairs in the nicer parts of the southside and the coast.

EmmetSpiceland

I would assume that the perpetrator has, now, had a “green light” put on him.

JohnnyFlash

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I would assume that the perpetrator has, now, had a “green light” put on him.

What does that mean, dude? I thought I had heard most of the jackeen lingo at this stage having lived here so long and being a visitor to bookie shops in the Northside.

EmmetSpiceland

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What does that mean, dude? I thought I had heard most of the jackeen lingo at this stage having lived here so long and being a visitor to bookie shops in the Northside.

From what I gather, it’s a “gang term” for when they want to “put a hit” on someone.

And, I mean, if they’re “throwing them out” at, mild mannered, young lads from Tipp for simply being in the vicinity, you’d have to say that this would be much more worthy.

If a little “excessive”.

I Am Nobody

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I would assume that the perpetrator has, now, had a “green light” put on him.

Putting hits on vandals now?Taking Tidy Towns to a whole new level!

wench

I Am Nobody wrote: »

Putting hits on vandals now?Taking Tidy Towns to a whole new level!

For the greater good...

Pawwed Rig

For those who were advocating for horses in council estates

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2020/0721/1154730-animal-cruelty/

Hangdogroad

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What does that mean, dude? I thought I had heard most of the jackeen lingo at this stage having lived here so long and being a visitor to bookie shops in the Northside.

Why do you adress everyone on here as "dude"?

Deebles McBeebles

An update on the story
https://www.thejournal.ie/extra-charge-man-attack-luke-kelly-statue-5156780-Jul2020/
Obviously not a Dubliners fan.

colm_mcm

Dunne was remanded on bail in his own bond of €300 but did not have to lodge cash after the judge noted he was on social welfare and living in supported accommodation.

That’ll teach him.

JupiterKid

So the vandal is 47 years of age. That is just pathetic.

If he was a little scrote of 15 or 16, that just might be understandable, but this middle-aged man is two years older than me.

Pawwed Rig

JupiterKid wrote: »

So the vandal is 47 years of age. That is just pathetic.

He had a hard upbringing though

whisky_galore

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

He had a hard upbringing though

Mental issues more like it.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

Mental issues more like it.

Possible in fairness. It's unlikely to be a prank.

My workplace is in that vicinity and you see a sizeable number of guys around the bus station and Connolly who definitely aren't in the best shape (not drugs related).

batman75

Until actions have serious consequences........

Personally he should be made to pay for the repair of the statue. Dock his dole an amount each week until the state recoups the cost of the repair. If it goes to the point of his state pension dock that too. Lets stop this slap on the wrist nonsense from the courts.

Pawwed Rig

batman75 wrote: »

Personally he should be made to pay for the repair of the statue. Dock his dole an amount each week until the state recoups the cost of the repair. If it goes to the point of his state pension dock that too. Lets stop this slap on the wrist nonsense from the courts.

Never gonna happen. It would mean that wealthy people could vandalised whatever they wanted as long as they could afford to pay for it whereas poor people would have a harsher punishment. A better sentence would be community service. Take time of people instead of cash. Let him clean graffiti from train stations and bus stops.

Pawwed Rig

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Never gonna happen. It would mean that wealthy people could vandalised whatever they wanted as long as they could afford to pay for it whereas poor people would have a harsher punishment.

It's a stupid and unfair system alright, but it's been the law for nearly 30 years.

S.6 Criminal Justice Act 1993
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1993/act/6/section/6/enacted/en/html#sec6

You see it pop up in news articles occasionally, when a convicted person is told to pay compensation to avoid jail. An option that isn't available to everyone. You're essentially buying back your liberty.

Man with broke phone

Any update on this, was there ever a motive, why Luke Kelly?
Was it because he put his corduroy britches on in 18 hundred and 41 and went to work upon the railway? It is close to railway tracks and the guy lives close to them too.

septictank

When this guy goes back to court in September, and if found guilty, what's he going to get?
Jail? Most likely suspended sentence, he's well used to it, would do it on his head.
A fine? good luck with that, been on the dole all his life, or Community service? can't see him taking direction or orders to well, would take more people supervising him to make the job worth their time.
So what? Just tell him he was a bold boy and don't do it again, he probably won't now he's been caught.
I'd say he knows this too.

I Am Nobody

A strongly worded speech by the judge will sort him out........maybe?

batman75

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Never gonna happen. It would mean that wealthy people could vandalised whatever they wanted as long as they could afford to pay for it whereas poor people would have a harsher punishment. A better sentence would be community service. Take time of people instead of cash. Let him clean graffiti from train stations and bus stops.

The point would be that the guilty pays irrespective of economic circumstances. The state can't have a tailored justice system based on a person's wallet. If a kid had done it have the parents pay for the repair. Otherwise it's those that work who pick up the tab via our taxes.

From a societal point of view I would be curious as to what prompts someone to vandalise a public piece of art?

batman75

batman75 wrote: »

From a societal point of view I would be curious as to what prompts someone to vandalise a public piece of art?

Nearly everyone who has attacked the Mona Lisa, to use the most famous example, had a mental illness. Some people have even shot themselves in frustration with the Mona Lisa, all of them artists. I doubt anyone is frustrated with envy by the Luke Kelly statue, mind you.

There have been plenty of attacks on Irish artworks down the years which are linked with mental illness. Although there was also one attack, an attack on a Monet in the National Gallery, where some idiot was merely trying to "get back at" the State for some perceived injustice.

And then, some people just dont like certain artworks for religious reasons or political reasons, or because the art is ugly.

One poster here, whilst criticising the vandals, pointed out without a shred of irony that if he lived beside the statue, he'd fcuk it in the river.

Anyway it will be interesting to find out what the motive was here, if any.

Rodney Bathgate

I Am Nobody wrote: »

A strongly worded speech by the judge will sort him out........maybe?

Seems to have worked in the past.

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/xp112-2-scaled.jpg

This report says the statue was repeatedly vandalized so that security cameras would be turned toward it rather than observing drug dealer comings and goings in the vicinity.

Squeeonline

Deleted User wrote: »

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/xp112-2-scaled.jpg

This report says the statue was repeatedly vandalized so that security cameras would be turned toward it rather than observing drug dealer comings and goings in the vicinity.

We are playing chess but they are playing chequers. It's all in the game.

Beechwoodspark

Here’s an idea. Have security cameras that can swivel when required (activity in the area)

Kivaro

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Here’s an idea. Have security cameras that can swivel when required (activity in the area)

Why can't they put the security cameras inside the statue itself e.g. replace the eyes? Luke would then be all-seeing and all-knowing.

corner of hells

Kivaro wrote: »

Why can't they put the security cameras inside the statue itself e.g. replace the eyes? Luke would then be all-seeing and all-knowing.

How about connecting it up to 10000v , the resulting electric shock should deter a future vandalism. Save a fortune in dole payments , free legal aid , children's allowance etc.

Pawwed Rig

batman75 wrote: »

The point would be that the guilty pays irrespective of economic circumstances. The state can't have a tailored justice system based on a person's wallet. If a kid had done it have the parents pay for the repair. Otherwise it's those that work who pick up the tab via our taxes.

Where a person claims they cannot afford to pay a fine there is rarely any follow up by the state. The sheriff might call around and be told that they person has no assets and will walk away empty handed. To attempt to jail someone for non payment of fines causes uproar so it is rarely done.

Equally you would be happy with wealthy D4 lads wrecking whatever they like as long as they pick up the tab afterwards?

McGinniesta

What is it about this statue that keeps the skangers coming back?

He's from the inner city.

McGinniesta

McGinniesta wrote: »

What is it about this statue that keeps the skangers coming back?

He's from the inner city.

These scrotes have no cultural appreciation. They couldn't give a fook.

They are getting worse with each generation.