RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

She probably deserved it lads did she ?

Mouthing off about something that’s none of her business.

Nothing better to do.

Yeah. Probably deserved it.

I suppose the reality is that people who can treat animals that way, and only for financial gain, wouldn’t have much too trouble in treating humans in that way.

Feisar

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How many of you have actually seen an Irish Hare running wild in Ireland?

It’s quite a sight and I’ve only seen it 3 times in my lifetime and it was so special every time.

See them loads when I'm out hunting deer.

gozunda

mikeym wrote: »

Dirty foul mouthed racists.So its ok to raise a hand at a woman??
Dont even try and defend it.

Thanks for posting that video. Exactly where is the 'hand raised' - genuine question?

Nope don't see anyone here defending anything tbh. But a quick look at the video and the foul mouthed language mainly appears to be coming from a couple of screaming protestors. How is that and this constant screaming of abuse not incitement to violence and public disorder?

I also see security personal trying to deal with the small number of deranged individuals shouting obscenities and looking for a reaction. Imo none of this is new these are the normal tactics of the extremist animal right brigade. And no I don't think all there belong to those groups. Just that those that shout the loudest are usually the ones looking for the reaction and who then act surprised when something happens. Shame on anyone fooled by such tactics tbh.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

She probably deserved it lads did she ?

Mouthing off about something that’s none of her business.

Nothing better to do.

Yeah. Probably deserved it.

I suppose the reality is that people who can treat animals that way, and only for financial gain, wouldn’t have much too trouble in treating humans in that way.

I’m sure you’d appreciate it if you were out eating some roast beef and I started screaming you’ve got blood on your hands.

The people defending this industry are the people making money from it.

Or the people that realise they’ll be next.

‘They’ll come and take your pet dog/cat away’ is one hilarious attempt to scare people.

The reality is they are petrified they will lose their own income they make from exploiting animals.

The world is changing and hopefully the next generation can really drive home this change in the choices they make and where and how they choose to spend their money.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The people defending this industry are the people making money from it.

Or the people that realise they’ll be next.

‘They’ll come and take your pet dog/cat away’ is one hilarious attempt to scare people.

The reality is they are petrified they will lose their own income they make from exploiting animals.

The world is changing and hopefully next generation can really drive home this change in the choices they make and where and how they choose to spend their money.

I’m defending it and I can assure you that I make no money off of it. I don’t own greyhounds. I seldom go to Shelbourne.

Does cruelty exist? Yes I’d imagine so.

But there is WAY worse animal cruelty out there. And in my opinion, anyone that eats meat /fish that wants to talk about animal cruelty is simply idiotic!

Not to mention all the dog lovers out there who leave their pets alone all day while they work, run errands, socialize etc.

Way bigger things to be outraged about. This will all blow over fairly soon anyways. There’ll be another documentary shortly.

[Deleted User]

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I’m defending it and I can assure you that I make no money off of it. I don’t own greyhounds. I seldom go to Shelbourne.

Does cruelty exist? Yes I’d imagine so.

But there is WAY worse animal cruelty out there. And in my opinion, anyone that eats meat /fish that wants to talk about animal cruelty is simply idiotic!

Not to mention all the dog lovers out there who leave their pets alone all day while they work, run errands, socialize etc.

Way bigger things to be outraged about. This will all blow over fairly soon anyways. There’ll be another documentary shortly.

Do you eat fish and meat ?

donkeykong5

AryaStark wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/banbloodsports/videos/2387487991523306/?type=2&theater

F***in abusive sh**s?? And when all else fails, try “Woman beater”.

You obviously weren’t inside the stadium! Great crowd. Great racing.

I was outside protesting with other dog lovers. I am really hopeful that this industry is now dying and everyone fighting for it is fighting a loosing battle.

The people protesting just have to hold onto dignity a little.. the people on the other side have no dignity or real respect and are loosing.

Well done .

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you eat fish and meat ?

Yes. And it’s very cruel. I know that. So I’m not going to act outraged that some people race dogs.

Humans in general are cruel to animals.

gozunda

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The people defending this industry are the people making money from it. Or the people that realise they’ll be next. ‘They’ll come and take your pet dog/cat away’ is one hilarious attempt to scare people.
The reality is they are petrified they will lose their own income they make from exploiting animals.
The world is changing and hopefully next generation can really drive home this change in the choices they make and where and how they choose to spend their money.

A fairly good indicator of those who cannot put together a coherent argument is the use of ad hominem and attack rather than a decent discussion of the issue.

Personally I have no interest or stake in anything to do with greyhounds. However It is clear from that video and other reports that there is an extreme animal rights element to this whole thing tbh. That is perhaps not surprising. But what may be surprising to many is that the extreme animal rights movement have no interest in animal welfare and they certainly have no interest in siding with those who treat their animals well. They favour abolitionist measures only and will do just about anything to achieve their ends. That much for sure.

Unfortunately we seem to have been the target of UK and US extremist animal rights groups for a number of years now. The moderates are being screamed out of any influence.

As the very real example of PETA in the US taking peoples pets and killing them. There are individuals here now advocating that all animals in captivity is cruelty. And yes that includes domestic pets. So it pays to be careful who you chose to support or ideologically get into bed with.

Unfortunately if that lot ever got their way - no one would have any choice ...

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes. And it’s very cruel. I know that. So I’m not going to act outraged that some people race dogs.

Humans in general are cruel to animals.

Well by your own logic anyone that eats meat or fish is an idiot for having an opinion on animal cruelty.

I don’t agree with that.

I think you’re entitled to your opinion. As is anyone else.

It’s all about motivation to me.

What motivates someone to have an opinion.

You see people that make money from animal cruelty are afraid their industry will be next.

That’s why so many farmers are vocal about supporting greyhound racing. A lot of people feel farming is animal cruelty.

If they can keep the focus on greyhound racing that keeps the eyes off them.

You’ll see a lot of examples of it in this thread.

gozunda

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...
It’s all about motivation to me.
What motivates someone to have an opinion.
You see people that make money from animal cruelty are afraid their industry will be next.
That’s why so many farmers are vocal about supporting greyhound racing. A lot of people feel farming is animal cruelty.
If they can keep the focus on greyhound racing that keeps the eyes off them.
You’ll see a lot of examples of it in this thread.

Ah the old "cruelty' accusation baton being wielded again.

As detailed there are those in the extremist animal rights movement that deem the keeping of all captive animals as 'cruelty' and yes that includes pets. And then theres those ideologically against any farming with animals and claim all such farming is 'cruelty' (sic). It seems some use the term 'cruelty' against whatever they don't agree with.

Is that why some desperately are pointing the finger at greyhound owners and others because at the end of the day they know they are likley next? This despite the fact that abuses in breeding and traceability are widespread to all domestic animals?

Funny how easy it is to attack others and spin things to suit an agenda. But apparently that is how it is.

You may as well be speaking to a brick wall ...

mikeym

gozunda wrote: »

Thanks for posting that video. Exactly where is the 'hand raised' - genuine question?

Nope don't see anyone here defending anything tbh. But a quick look at the video and the foul mouthed language mainly appears to be coming from a couple of screaming protestors. How is that and this constant screaming of abuse not incitement to violence and public disorder?

I also see security personal trying to deal with the small number of deranged individuals shouting obscenities and looking for a reaction. Imo none of this is new these are the normal tactics of the extremist animal right brigade. And no I don't think all there belong to those groups. Just that those that shout the loudest are usually the ones looking for the reaction and who then act surprised when something happens. Shame on anyone fooled by such tactics tbh.

So your basically saying the woman wasnt assaulted, do you know the definition of assault?

The man in question went up to the protester and removed the megaphone using physical force he didnt ask for it to be removed.

You also presume that everyone that owns a dog goes to work and leaves the dog on its own for the whole day but what about those who are retired and need companionship or an excuse to take the dog out everyday for walks yet you harp on about the dog thats at home all day.

I work long hours but I leave my dog with my parents who are retired so dont try to paint everyone with the same brush.

mikeym

jackboy wrote: »

Who has defended a woman being assaulted on the street?

If you were walking down a street and somebody grabbed your mobile phone what would you do?

That thug in the video had no right to use physical force to remove the megaphone which is classed as assault.

But certain people are too narrow minded to see the facts.

gozunda

mikeym wrote: »

So your basically saying the woman wasnt assaulted, do you know the definition of assault?The man in question went up to the protester and removed the megaphone using physical force he didnt ask for it to be removed.You also presume that everyone that owns a dog goes to work and leaves the dog on its own for the whole day but what about those who are retired and need companionship or an excuse to take the dog out everyday for walks yet you harp on about the dog thats at home all day.I work long hours but I leave my dog with my parents who are retired so dont try to paint everyone with the same brush.

Nope. Where did you see I said that? That simply sounds like a bit of ****e stiring tbh. Your comment really makes no sense at all.

As stated I watched the video posted - I didn't spot what has been alleged - therefore asked what and where they were referring to. No reply to that no?

I did see a lot of unnecessary and frankly extreme use of language directed at individual security personal doing their job. I saw a lot of jostling and some banner holders trying to gain entrance by pushing past security?

Nope didn't mention any dogs been left at home or otherwise.

Are you sure you are replying to the correct post? as it seems your making up a lot of assumptions there tbh.

gozunda

mikeym wrote: »

If you were walking down a street and somebody grabbed your mobile phone what would you do?

That thug in the video had no right to use physical force to remove the megaphone which is classed as assault.

But certain people are too narrow minded to see the facts.

Well ok checked that out and Assault is defined under the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act, 1997 as:

Assault.

2.—(1) A person shall be guilty of the offence of assault who, without lawful excuse, intentionally or recklessly—directly or indirectly applies force to or causes an impact on the body of another,

I'm non lawyer but imo no - grabbing someones phone as they walked down the street would not be assault as defined above. It probably would be classed as theft if the person taking the phone ran away - but if the phone was being used (for example) in a threatening manner but was handed back then no probably not theft either.

Better let people versed in legal matters figure out what actually happened in context than screaming assault etc in this instance. Otherwise things like slander/ libel have a nasty tendency of being the next thing people get accused of. Best be safe than sorry imo.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Way worse animal cruelty out there than racing a few dogs. Ever ate a fillet steak?
Be outraged about something worthwhile.

And nobody defended a woman being assaulted.

Would you care to share some opinions/examples on the ‘way worse animal cruelty out there’ ?

jackboy

mikeym wrote: »

If you were walking down a street and somebody grabbed your mobile phone what would you do?

That thug in the video had no right to use physical force to remove the megaphone which is classed as assault.

But certain people are too narrow minded to see the facts.

The guy in the video is one man. To blame all greyhound breeders for his actions is nonsense and you know that. I have no idea who he is.

As I said before there are good breeders and bad breeders. I believe the sport can be cleaned up by dealing with the bad breeders. The ways to do that have been discussed in this thread. Do you want to debate that? Or do you want to continue to insult strangers on the internet?

We don't know what happened before the man grabbed the loudhailer. What I do know is that a lady was hit by a placard and verbally abused as she entered the stadium. The protesters started off opposite the stadium but when they saw people ignoring them and going into the stadium, they decided to block the entrance. SHAME, SHAME SHAME ON THEM.

Graces7

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We don't know what happened before the man grabbed the loudhailer. What I do know is that a lady was hit by a placard and verbally abused as she entered the stadium. The protesters started off opposite the stadium but when they saw people ignoring them and going into the stadium, they decided to block the entrance. SHAME, SHAME SHAME ON THEM.

More irrelevant and over-emotional deflection..

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

More irrelevant and over-emotional deflection..

Facts are very relevant.

Discodog

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Facts are very relevant.

You ignore the facts that show racing in a bad light & just repeat your mantra of SHAME, SHAME SHAME ON THEM.

You clearly have no intention of desire to entertain other opinion. You are very typical of the Greyhound racing community.

A caring compassionate owner would want to totally separate themselves from the content of the RTE program. You just claim that it's all lies.

Discodog

gozunda wrote: »

A fairly good indicator of those who cannot put together a coherent argument is the use of ad hominem and attack rather than a decent discussion of the issue.

Personally I have no interest or stake in anything to do with greyhounds. However It is clear from that video and other reports that there is an extreme animal rights element to this whole thing tbh. That is perhaps not surprising. But what may be surprising to many is that the extreme animal rights movement have no interest in animal welfare and they certainly have no interest in siding with those who treat their animals well. They favour abolitionist measures only and will do just about anything to achieve their ends. That much for sure.

Unfortunately we seem to have been the target of UK and US extremist animal rights groups for a number of years now. The moderates are being screamed out of any influence.

As the very real example of PETA in the US taking peoples pets and killing them. There are individuals here now advocating that all animals in captivity is cruelty. And yes that includes domestic pets. So it pays to be careful who you chose to support or ideologically get into bed with.

Unfortunately if that lot ever got their way - no one would have any choice ...

Do you always post so much on a topic that you have no interest in ?

I have been involved in animal welfare for several decades & I have never met an extremist.

No one here is advocating that keeping a pet dog is cruel.

You have shown in numerous threads that you have an obsession with mythical animal rights extremists taking over Ireland. You say the same about anyone who supports animal welfare.

Igotadose

Muahahaha wrote: »

How does this come to happen? Are people just not neutering their dog or cat and then when it has an unexpected pregnancy they go on to drown the kittens/puppies at home? Do they even try to find them homes or is killing them the go to option? I just dont get this, surely neutering them is preferable to drowning a puppy or kitten in your own home, like why is this practice still going on in rural Ireland?

Neutering doesn't happen . Some try to find homes for puppies and kittens, but some drown them, too. Usually just bag them up and throw them in the ocean, unfortunately.

As to why, great question. In a rural farming community like this one, animals are not treated as pets, basically. A friend and lifelong resident told me once, that it's the 'blow-ins' that treat their animals well, but not the natives.

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

You ignore the facts that show racing in a bad light & just repeat your mantra of SHAME, SHAME SHAME ON THEM.

You clearly have no intention of desire to entertain other opinion. You are very typical of the Greyhound racing community.

A caring compassionate owner would want to totally separate themselves from the content of the RTE program. You just claim that it's all lies.

I never claimed that it was lies. Just that it was mostly of a historical (or hysterical) nature and was in another country. Would it have the same affect if we weren’t shown a dog being boiled alive or the other poor misfortune created about to be killed with an axe? Or indeed the pictures taken at the knackerey, which wasn’t taken to the Gardai immediately.

What YOU are unwilling to accept is that great measures have been taken and more on the way to improve traceability. The violence and threatening vile language shown on the video and experienced by my friends is inexcusable. The video doesn’t show what happened immediately prior to the man losing his rag. Hopefully the Gardai will get to the facts.

klaaaz

500 dogs dead on Irish tracks since 2015, notice how this was ignored by the pro racer gamblers? Those losing dogs died to support gamblers greed, their life since birth is to be raced to death literally. If they don't win even after being high on cocaine, they'll either die on the track or be shot in knackeries or dumped on the roadsides or sent to hell in China/Pakistan to meet a gruesome death.

Discodog

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I never claimed that it was lies. Just that it was mostly of a historical (or hysterical) nature and was in another country. Would it have the same affect if we weren’t shown a dog being boiled alive or the other poor misfortune created about to be killed with an axe? Or indeed the pictures taken at the knackerey, which wasn’t taken to the Gardai immediately.

What YOU are unwilling to accept is that great measures have been taken and more on the way to improve traceability. The violence and threatening vile language shown on the video and experienced by my friends is inexcusable. The video doesn’t show what happened immediately prior to the man losing his rag. Hopefully the Gardai will get to the facts.

But you don't accept that thousands of Greyhounds died as a result of a "sport" that you continue to support.

How many deaths of healthy Greyhounds do you consider as acceptable ?

Discodog

klaaaz wrote: »

500 dogs dead on Irish tracks since 2015, notice how this was ignored by the pro racer gamblers? Those losing dogs died to support gamblers greed, their life since birth is to be raced to death literally. If they don't win even after being high on cocaine, they'll either die on the track or be shot in knackeries or dumped on the roadsides or sent to hell in China/Pakistan to meet a gruesome death.

The track deaths are conveniently ignored. TV cameras pan away & the Stewards rush in with a sheet to hide the dog, often writhing in agony.

The injuries are rarely fatal but owners won't pay the cost of veterinary care so the dogs are killed on the spot.

But we are told that the owners care.

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

The track deaths are conveniently ignored. TV cameras pan away & the Stewards rush in with a sheet to hide the dog, often writhing in agony.

The injuries are rarely fatal but owners won't pay the cost of veterinary care so the dogs are killed on the spot.

But we are told that the owners care.

You’ve never been to the dogs, have you?! Try educating yourself. A race meeting cannot take place without a vet in attendance. Who are you suggesting “killed” the dogs on the spot and what method was used?

Tripe like what you’ve just posted disgusts me. But it does show me that you’ve no idea of the greyhound game other than what antis tell you. Are you really that gullible?

gozunda

Discodog wrote: »

You ignore the facts that show racing in a bad light & just repeat your mantra of SHAME, SHAME SHAME ON THEM.

You clearly have no intention of desire to entertain other opinion. You are very typical of the Greyhound racing community.

A caring compassionate owner would want to totally separate themselves from the content of the RTE program. You just claim that it's all lies.

I think you will find that is a parody of some of the crap being loudhailered by the protestors. Afaik It is standard animal extremists lingo for such protests.