RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

CiarraiAbu2

This thread is going no where, there is no way we will ever agree, the problem is that ye want it banned and it doesn't matter what improvements are made it will never satisfy ye.

xckjoo

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

This thread is going no where, there is no way we will ever agree, the problem is that ye want it banned and it doesn't matter what improvements are made it will never satisfy ye.

Personally I'd like to see it reformed but (as I've said about 100 times already), I'm only getting a closed ranks and nobody else business impression of the industry. The posters here and IGB's insistence that the report they commissioned was wrong because they didn't like what it said are the primary reasons for this impression.

Discodog

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

You lost this argument when you said that once their was a market for their meat than everything was ok.

Where did I say that?

Discodog

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If they weren’t registered, how would they know that they were unaccounted for??

So they were registered & on a database somewhere.

CiarraiAbu2

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

This thread is going no where, there is no way we will ever agree, the problem is that ye want it banned and it doesn't matter what improvements are made it will never satisfy ye.

I disagree. It’s showing the level of ignorance of those wanting to ban greyhound racing. They are making no effort to understand the rules and regulations surrounding it. The don’t want to see the improvement made in traceability, welfare and rehoming.

Discodog wrote: »

So they were registered & on a database somewhere.

So, you now acknowledge that all pups are registered. Thanks.

xckjoo

xckjoo wrote: »

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Can the IGB/ICC not enforce their own requirements for entering competitions? I.e the dog can't race unless the owners has all paperwork up to date which includes info on things like retired dogs from same kennel. I might be missing something with that though. Not familiar with that side of the sport

I don't think anyone has answered this question for me. Is there some reason IGB/ICC couldn't enforce their own requirements for dogs/trainers entered into races/coursing? Why do they have to wait for new legislation to be passed before they can enforce things?

gozunda

klaaaz wrote: »

Around 7,000 greyhound owners, 6000 plus greyhounds slaughtered a year for being too slow and 500 dead dogs at the request of greyhound owners on dog tracks since 2015, and then the exports of Irish greyhounds sold to the hellholes of China & Pakistan, that's a majority of greyhound owners who are despicable.

No one knows how many were euthanized, exported, sold as non racing dogs or otherwise. But you keep repeating the same exact stuff abour "slaughter" (sic) again and again and again and so on ad infinitum without any proper backup to your claims.

And afaik the numbers are under dispute as well. All of this has been gone over several times in the thread already - you must have missed it and all the other discussion.

No one had denied there are issues and there have been some very good suggestions in this thread on improving breeding and tracking greyhound movements.

But go ahead keep throwing the same ****e and calling a large group of people you have never met and wouldn't know from adam - 'dispicable' 'scum' 'vile' and similar because for some strange reason you know better than everyone else.

jackboy

xckjoo wrote: »

Wish that that was true mate but a quick search threw up these posts that are very much in the line of "it's fine" or "it's about to be so butt out of our business". To me that amounts to the same thing. "It's fine and none of your business".

It can look like that by picking out individual posts but nobody has said everything is fine.

The documentary has been criticised and rightly so in my opinion (as it did portray historical issues as current and include emotionally manipulative videos from other countries).

Criticising the documentary is different to saying everything is fine in the greyhound industry. There seems to be widespread agreement that there is over breeding and the stuff going on in knackerys is unacceptable. There has been plenty of suggestions in the thread on how to improve things, but posters will respond to perceived or real inaccuracies.

klaaaz

An excellent piece from Greyhound Action Ireland
https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/features/431909/letter-to-the-editor-irish-greyhound-board-shedding-crocodile-tears.html?fbclid=IwAR2IYKSNs80C-XeCErWHeJZnAbLOxHjaCbL-rhWGvz9mH6KTpakWRRpRd7o

The Irish Greyhound Board’s endless expressions of shock in the weeks since Prime Time Investigates exposed the horrific abuse and mass killing inflicted on animals by this industry is disingenuous in the extreme. They could have done the maths on their fingers.

The latest statistics to hand show the following: every year 16-20,000 greyhounds born, 9,000 taken out of racing, 5,000 raced here, 5,000 exported to the UK, maximum 1,500 rehomed. A greyhound’s lifespan is 12-13 years. Its racing career ends at the age of 3 or 4. Fairly basic maths!

Do they expect us to believe they didn’t read the report they commissioned themselves in 2017, which came up with the very conservative estimate of 6,000 healthy dogs killed each year? A report which they refused to release to the Department of Agriculture, and which they’d still be sitting on if the Prime Time team hadn’t got their hands on it.

Was the current chairman of the IGB not listening to his predecessor Paschal Taggart in 2017 when, in a radio interview, the latter stated that greyhound racing can’t exist without the killing of thousands of perfectly healthy dogs every year?

And that this was a fact of life he, Mr Taggart had no problem with. The slaughter of thousands of healthy dogs annually isn’t the actions of a rogue minority, as the IGB would have us believe.

It is an inescapable fact of greyhound racing. The IGB were horrified by the recent RTE broadcast alright. But it wasn’t because they learned anything new about what goes on in the industry they preside over.

They were shocked because their horrifying secrets were final laid bare for the Irish tax payer to see.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

An excellent piece from Greyhound Action Ireland
https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/features/431909/letter-to-the-editor-irish-greyhound-board-shedding-crocodile-tears.html?fbclid=IwAR2IYKSNs80C-XeCErWHeJZnAbLOxHjaCbL-rhWGvz9mH6KTpakWRRpRd7o

Greyhound Action Ireland. A lovely name. What action are they involved with? Certainly not the rehoming of greyhounds. More likely their abolition.

xckjoo

Deleted User wrote: »

Greyhound Action Ireland. A lovely name. What action are they involved with? Certainly not the rehoming of greyhounds. More likely their abolition.

Your phrasing seems to imply "greyhounds" don't exist outside the greyhound racing industry. Not for the first time either. Greyhound is a breed of dog, not a racing participant. They were around long before and will be around long after the IGB/ICC.

And if you had looked up Greyhound Action Ireland you'd see the following:
So looks like they're fairly into the rehoming of greyhounds alright.

gozunda

klaaaz wrote: »

An excellent piece from Greyhound Action Ireland
https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/features/431909/letter-to-the-editor-irish-greyhound-board-shedding-crocodile-tears.html?fbclid=IwAR2IYKSNs80C-XeCErWHeJZnAbLOxHjaCbL-rhWGvz9mH6KTpakWRRpRd7o

'Excellent'? 'They seem to be completely ignoring the fact that the figures they are using to trash all greyhound owners are strongly disputed. From previous:

In a statement to RTÉ Investigates, the IGB said despite the report "the level of greyhound euthanasia is unknown".

It said the analysis of the dog pool carried out by Preferred Results Ltd, "did not accord with what was clearly visible in the industry at the time the report was presented to the IGB in late September 2017". 

It said in respect of greyhound deaths that "all figures referenced in media and elsewhere from a variety of different sources - including the Preferred Results Report - are based on guesstimates/estimates and have no evidence base".

xckjoo

xckjoo wrote: »

Your phrasing seems to imply "greyhounds" don't exist outside the greyhound racing industry. Not for the first time either. Greyhound is a breed of dog, not a racing participant. They were around long before and will be around long after the IGB/ICC.

And if you had looked up Greyhound Action Ireland you'd see the following:

So looks like they're fairly into the rehoming of greyhounds alright.

From their Facebook page “Greyhound Action Ireland campaigns for an end to greyhound racing in Ireland”. Nothing about rehoming.

xckjoo

Deleted User wrote: »

From their Facebook page “Greyhound Action Ireland campaigns for an end to greyhound racing in Ireland”. Nothing about rehoming.

There's more to life than Facebook: https://grai.ie/members/
Incorrect link

xckjoo

xckjoo wrote: »

There's more to life than Facebook: https://grai.ie/members/

They’re not part of that group.

xckjoo

Deleted User wrote: »

They’re not part of that group.

Ooops. My bad. Misread the link

Discodog

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree. It’s showing the level of ignorance of those wanting to ban greyhound racing. They are making no effort to understand the rules and regulations surrounding it. The don’t want to see the improvement made in traceability, welfare and rehoming.



So, you now acknowledge that all pups are registered. Thanks.

I acknowledge this means that the owners of a lot of the dogs abused are known but no action has been taken against them.

Discodog

gozunda wrote: »

No one knows how many were euthanized, exported, sold as non racing dogs or otherwise. But you keep repeating the same exact stuff abour "slaughter" (sic) again and again and again and so on ad infinitum without any proper backup to your claims.

And afaik the numbers are under dispute as well. All of this has been gone over several times in the thread already - you must have missed it and all the other discussion.

No one had denied there are issues and there have been some very good suggestions in this thread on improving breeding and tracking greyhound movements.

But go ahead keep throwing the same ****e and calling a large group of people you have never met and wouldn't know from adam - 'dispicable' 'scum' 'vile' and similar because for some strange reason you know better than everyone else.

They are disputed by you. They aren't disputed by all the welfare groups who have to clean up the mess created by the Greyhound Industry.

There have been good suggestions for decades but nothing changes. No one has made a suggestion that would stop dead dogs because it's impossible.

Discodog

Deleted User wrote: »

Greyhound Action Ireland. A lovely name. What action are they involved with? Certainly not the rehoming of greyhounds. More likely their abolition.

If racing is abolished we won't need to rehome anywhere near as many as now.

They aren't involved in killing dogs

Tilikum17

Was reading this morning about the states in America that have banned greyhound racing altogether. Only a matter of time until it’s banned here, I’d say.

donkeykong5

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Was reading this morning about the states in America that have banned greyhound racing altogether. Only a matter of time until it’s banned here, I’d say.

Hopefully

Tilikum17

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Was reading this morning about the states in America that have banned greyhound racing altogether. Only a matter of time until it’s banned here, I’d say.

Not a hope of greyhound racing being banned. Its worth too much to the economy. €300,000,000 a year roughly. It is a good healthy pass time for thousands of people. It's employment directly and indirectly for up to 10,000. Why ban it because a few are spreading lies to gullible people who do not bother finding out the truth for themselves

Discodog

Deleted User wrote: »

Not a hope of greyhound racing being banned. Its worth too much to the economy. €300,000,000 a year roughly. It is a good healthy pass time for thousands of people. It's employment directly and indirectly for up to 10,000. Why ban it because a few are spreading lies to gullible people who do not bother finding out the truth for themselves

Unless you're a Greyhound.

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

Unless you're a Greyhound.

Really? Are you now saying that greyhounds are unhealthy?

Discodog

Deleted User wrote: »

Really? Are you now saying that greyhounds are unhealthy?

The 6000 dead ones aren't

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

The 6000 dead ones aren't

There weren’t 6,000 killed. Only the gullible would believe that. The report found UP to 6,000 UNACCOUNTED for. A totally different scenario but not one that RTE’s anti greyhound racing staff want you to hear. The words “killed” along pictures of dogs (not greyhounds) being boiled alive or being dispatched by a humane gun or an axe are more likely to get people’s attention.

xckjoo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There weren’t 6,000 killed. Only the gullible would believe that. The report found UP to 6,000 UNACCOUNTED for. A totally different scenario but not one that RTE’s anti greyhound racing staff want you to hear. The words “killed” along pictures of dogs (not greyhounds) being boiled alive or being dispatched by a humane gun or an axe are more likely to get people’s attention.

Them being unaccounted for is no more acceptable than them all being dead. It just tells us the governing bodies are inept or unwilling

gozunda

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Was reading this morning about the states in America that have banned greyhound racing altogether. Only a matter of time until it’s banned here, I’d say.

ban greyhound racing you say?

Ah yes amongst others - that particular campaign spearheaded by PETA in the US. The same ones looking to ban all pets there and who actively take and kill domestic animals and discard them like thrash...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/killing-animals-petas-open-secret_b_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711

And that would be all the same crowds looking to ban all animal farming regardless of how well animals are looked after ...

Like all these extremist groups - you'd need your head examined to start thinking they have any interest in animal welfare. They dont. They see all domestic animals as an abomination. I suppose they are entitled to their views...

xckjoo

IMO IGB/ICC have shown no evidence that they are capable of willing to tackle the major issues in the sports so they should rightly be held under the microscope for the foreseeable future. So far I've only seen them trying to deflect and defend the status quo. It's the usual crap of people more interested in saving their jobs than actually doing them.

Private pet issues are also an enormous problem in this country and has huge numbers of very dedicated people that spend their lives trying to improve things with minimal help from the state (or state sponsored bodies....). Either of these issues can be improved without impacting the other though. Anyone that's concerned by it enough repeat it ad nauseum in this thread can safely start a new one about it and not worry. That's assuming they're bringing it up out of concern for the animals and not just to deflect from the topic at hand....

klaaaz

Deleted User wrote: »

Not a hope of greyhound racing being banned. Its worth too much to the economy. €300,000,000 a year roughly. It is a good healthy pass time for thousands of people. It's employment directly and indirectly for up to 10,000. Why ban it because a few are spreading lies to gullible people who do not bother finding out the truth for themselves

More comedy from Maryanne. Killing 500 dogs on tracks since 2015 is not a healthy pass time.