RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

klaaaz

Deleted User wrote: »

Just like we have the right to attend a greyhound track and watch our and our friends greyhounds race without being intimidated by some who object to our legal activity.

It's a democratic right to protest an immoral activity of killing dogs for fun. Protesters urging participants to reject animal cruelty is not intimidation.

The Satanist

A RED C opinion poll commissioned by the Irish Council Against Blood Sports (ICABS) and Greyhound Action Ireland (GAI) shows that two out of every three Irish adults agree that the government should stop funding greyhound racing.

The results of the poll, which was carried out between September 19th and 23rd, should increase pressure on the government to end its funding of an industry responsible for killing between 6,000 and 10,000 greyhounds every year simply because they can’t run fast enough.

Results of the RED C poll:

The Irish Government should stop funding greyhound racing

66% Agree
16% Disagree
18% Don't Know

Of those stating an opinion, 80% of these agree that the Irish Government should stop funding greyhound racing while 20% disagree with this.

At the recent Public Accounts Committee hearing attended by the Irish Greyhound Board (IGB), several TDs expressed their unhappiness at the scale of public funding of greyhound racing, an activity which continues to decline in popularity year on year. Among the facts singled out for particular mention at that hearing were the following:

- Greyhound racing gets €323,000 a week from the public purse - since 2001, more than a quarter of a billion euros has been granted to the Irish Greyhound Board, including €16.8 million for 2019.

- Attendance at greyhound meetings has fallen to an average of 319, down 19% in 2018 compared to 2017. The IGB has admitted that since the end of June when the PrimeTime Investigates programme lifted the lid on the horrific treatment of dogs in this industry, attendance has fallen by a further 20%.

- Turnover from racing has fallen dramatically in recent years, from €32.9 million in 2010 to €22.7 million in 2017.
https://www.facebook.com/463547953760768/posts/2443708225744721/

Hopefully the government will finally listen to the vast majority of people and stop funding this cruelty.

jackboy

The Satanist wrote: »

Hopefully the government will finally listen to the vast majority of people and stop funding this cruelty.

Just another meaningless hatchet job.

klaaaz

jackboy wrote: »

Just another meaningless hatchet job.

The vast majority of the public are dog lovers, we really don't like dogs being killed en masse for gambling fun.

jackboy

klaaaz wrote: »

The vast majority of the public are dog lovers, we really don't like dogs being killed en masse for gambling fun.

The vast majority of greyhound owners are also dog lovers.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

It's a democratic right to protest an immoral activity of killing dogs for fun. Protesters urging participants to reject animal cruelty is not intimidation.

Really? Peaceful protest, eh? Not what I’ve seen.

klaaaz

jackboy wrote: »

The vast majority of greyhound owners are also dog lovers.

Not according to the IGB commissioned report as well as the rescues with thousands of dogs per year slaughtered for failing to win a race with the "lucky" ones dumped at the rescues often in horrible condition.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

The vast majority of the public are dog lovers, we really don't like dogs being killed en masse for gambling fun.

You know, same as I do, that’s not true. As said umpteem times, unaccounted for is a lot different from being killed.

klaaaz

Deleted User wrote: »

Really? Peaceful protest, eh? Not what I’ve seen.

Yes it has been. I've seen(and some of it caught on video) dogs rights protesters physically and verbally assaulted mostly by "hard men", spat at, ridiculed on their personal characteristics offline and especially online, threatened that it's known where they live, their cars have been keyed etc. Just like a mafia threatening ordinary people who object to dogs being slaughtered for fun. That racer mafia threatened hotel staff too.

Ruraldweller56

klaaaz wrote: »

So? (not that I totally agree with their mission)

They have a right to a meeting with elected TD's attending without abuse and the threat of violence directed at them(and hotel staff) by dog racers. We live in a democracy.

Care to comment on this klaaaz?

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

A guy on Niall Boylan today was saying that liberals were joking and laughing on some Facebook group about harassing sponsors with emails and phone calls to the point where they were unable to go about their business.

As I alluded to earlier in the thread I'm highly sceptical about the motives behind this behaviour.

Not that either is OK, but be honest. Who do you believe harasses who more? By default the answer should be pretty clear.

klaaaz

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Care to comment on this klaaaz?

Not that either is OK, but be honest. Who do you believe harasses who more? By default the answer should be pretty clear.

Debating and persuading sponsors is not harassment. Threatening hotel staff is harassment and definitely breaking the law, threatening their lives with violence. Btw calling people "liberals" in this country is so American.

The Satanist

"A guy on Niall Boylan"


Still no comment on the rampant, illegal drug use in your "industry"?

CiarraiAbu2

klaaaz wrote: »

Debating and persuading sponsors is not harassment. Threatening hotel staff is harassment and definitely breaking the law, threatening their lives with violence. Btw calling people "liberals" in this country is so American.

That's bull Klaaaz and you know it, what about the phone calls to the ROT contestants whom had nothing to do with racing.

Ruraldweller56

klaaaz wrote: »

Debating and persuading sponsors is not harassment. Threatening hotel staff is harassment and definitely breaking the law, threatening their lives with violence. Btw calling people "liberals" in this country is so American.

I didn't say it wasn't. You're trying to answer a question no one asked. All the while not answering the question that was asked.

So American? OK SJW. I'll stop referring to you as a liberal

Ruraldweller56

The Satanist wrote: »

"A guy on Niall Boylan"


Still no comment on the rampant, illegal drug use in your "industry"?

Listen to the interview yourself you ****ing clown and stop the verbal diarrhoea. You've been yammering on there for a few days and no one can make head nor tail of whatever point your trying to make.

Start by telling me what 'my industry' is? And I'll start by telling you I've never even owned a greyhound. Your turn.

klaaaz

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

That's bull Klaaaz and you know it, what about the phone calls to the ROT contestants whom had nothing to do with racing.

No it's not, the hotel itself reported the threats of violence against their staff by racers(I posted the news link to Maryann previously). There was no abuse to ROT contestants, they were persuaded and informed of the scale of the dog killing involved by dog lovers hence they changed their mind, there were no threats of violence against them unlike against the hotel staff.

The Satanist

lol

Ruraldweller56

klaaaz wrote: »

No it's not, the hotel itself reported the threats of violence against their staff by racers(I posted the news link to Maryann previously). There was no abuse to ROT contestants, they were persuaded and informed of the scale of the dog killing involved by dog lovers hence they changed their mind, there were no threats of violence against them unlike against the hotel staff.

Yawn

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/greyhound-board-pulls-out-of-rose-of-tralee-sponsorship-over-online-threats-1.3961717

CiarraiAbu2

klaaaz wrote: »

No it's not, the hotel itself reported the threats of violence against their staff by racers(I posted the news link to Maryann previously). There was no abuse to ROT contestants, they were persuaded and informed of the scale of the dog killing involved by dog lovers hence they changed their mind, there were no threats of violence against them unlike against the hotel staff.

Well Klaaaz,


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irishgreyhoundboard-rose-of-tralee-sponsorship-18443723.amp

Ruraldweller56

klaaaz wrote: »

No it's not, the hotel itself reported the threats of violence against their staff by racers(I posted the news link to Maryann previously). There was no abuse to ROT contestants, they were persuaded and informed of the scale of the dog killing involved by dog lovers hence they changed their mind, there were no threats of violence against them unlike against the hotel staff.

"look I mean. Would ye just maybe not consider sponsoring the greyhound racing. On account of how bad it is. Just think about it at least."

Pull the other one.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

No it's not, the hotel itself reported the threats of violence against their staff by racers(I posted the news link to Maryann previously). There was no abuse to ROT contestants, they were persuaded and informed of the scale of the dog killing involved by dog lovers hence they changed their mind, there were no threats of violence against them unlike against the hotel staff.

I think that you got that ar*eways. IGB and Tralee Track withdrew THEIR sponsorship of the Roses. Not the other way about.

klaaaz

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Yawn

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/greyhound-board-pulls-out-of-rose-of-tralee-sponsorship-over-online-threats-1.3961717

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

Well Klaaaz,

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irishgreyhoundboard-rose-of-tralee-sponsorship-18443723.amp

You really believe what your leaders the IGB say?

Snugglebunnies

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

The Satanist wrote: »

"A guy on Niall Boylan"


Still no comment on the rampant, illegal drug use in your "industry"?

Listen to the interview yourself you ****ing clown and stop the verbal diarrhoea. You've been yammering on there for a few days and no one can make head nor tail of whatever point your trying to make.

Start by telling me what 'my industry' is? And I'll start by telling you I've never even owned a greyhound. Your turn.

You said earlier nó kennel, nó opinion. You've never even owned a greyhound so why is you're opinion to be taken seriously going by your own criteria?

gozunda

The Satanist wrote: »

https://i.ibb.co/wQLh9mC/FB-IMG-1570130470006.jpg
Hopefully the government will finally listen to the vast majority of people and stop funding this cruelty.

Iscabs lol - you've got to be freaking joking. A bunch of auld grannies hell bent on changing everything to their way only. That 'survey's is a bit like asking kids to do a survey to find out if they like junk food.

But you really do seem have the horn for repeating the same type of rubbish in your comments. Could you change the record btw - the wall of noise is just silly at this stage tbh.

jackboy

klaaaz wrote: »

No it's not, the hotel itself reported the threats of violence against their staff by racers(I posted the news link to Maryann previously). There was no abuse to ROT contestants, they were persuaded and informed of the scale of the dog killing involved by dog lovers hence they changed their mind, there were no threats of violence against them unlike against the hotel staff.

Well this is just old fashioned propaganda.

CiarraiAbu2

Klaaaz, there are no words, your just trolling at this stage.

Ruraldweller56

klaaaz wrote: »

You really believe what your leaders the IGB say?

You're having a giraffe now pal.

You honestly believe they just withdrew sponsorship for the sake of it, then made up a story? Come off it man.

anewme

Love how Shelbourne Park send round their crappy Christmas Party Ad in Facebook...but block any feedback or comments.

Ruraldweller56

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

You said earlier nó kennel, nó opinion. You've never even owned a greyhound so why is you're opinion to be taken seriously going by your own criteria?

Actually I own dogs, and kennels just not greyhounds.

And the comment was made to highlight the hypocrisy of the majority (from what I can gather but am open to correction - 100%) of these people who have no issue with a baby being slaughtered in its mother's womb but think a dog going around in circles is 'cruelty'.

How the **** can anyone like that be taken seriously? I've gone over that point already.

klaaaz

jackboy wrote: »

Well this is just old fashioned propaganda.

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

Klaaaz, there are no words, your just trolling at this stage.

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

You're having a giraffe now pal.

You honestly believe they just withdrew sponsorship for the sake of it, then made up a story? Come off it man.

The truth hurts, your IGB leaders have a habit of hiding the truth. They consistently hid the truth from the public for years of the horrors of dog racing until forced to by RTE Primetime.
The tiny racer community have put up a shield around themselves with their ears covered up denying the inevitable, tis like a cult. Your bubble has burst as the majority of the dog loving public abhor your despicable ways killing dogs for fun.

CiarraiAbu2

Klaaaz, your deluded, I'm just going to take that you are very young. I can't believe that you actually think that no anti could make an abusive phone call, not to mind the other crap your writing.

jackboy

klaaaz wrote: »

The truth hurts, your IGB leaders have a habit of hiding the truth. They consistently hid the truth from the public for years of the horrors of dog racing until forced to by RTE Primetime.
The tiny racer community have put up a shield around themselves with their ears covered up denying the inevitable, tis like a cult. Your bubble has burst as the majority of the dog loving public abhor your despicable ways killing dogs for fun.

Nobody believes that you believe a word that you are saying.

Ruraldweller56

klaaaz wrote: »

The truth hurts, your IGB leaders have a habit of hiding the truth. They consistently hid the truth from the public for years of the horrors of dog racing until forced to by RTE Primetime.
The tiny racer community have put up a shield around themselves with their ears covered up denying the inevitable, tis like a cult. Your bubble has burst as the majority of the dog loving public abhor your despicable ways killing dogs for fun.

Hiding the truth is one thing. Telling blatant lies and fabrication is quite another.

Having faced down your buddies face to face at my own greyhound track I don't believe for a second they care about dogs. They're just a bunch of agenda driven loons who want to ram their own ****lib ideology down everyone else's neck.

Ruraldweller56

jackboy wrote: »

Nobody believes that you believe a word that you are saying.

His own homies do. With their blue hair, repeal jumpers and flat whites. They cling on his every word.

klaaaz

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

Klaaaz, your deluded, I'm just going to take that you are very young. I can't believe that you actually think that no anti could make an abusive phone call, not to mind the other crap your writing.

Thanks for the age compliment. You need to look inside your own racer community for the abusive element.

jackboy wrote: »

Nobody believes that you believe a word that you are saying.

Nobody in the racer community do of course in order to protect their money. The general public who are dog lovers do care.

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Hiding the truth is one thing. Telling blatant lies and fabrication is quite another.

Having faced down your buddies face to face at my own greyhound track I don't believe for a second they care about dogs. They're just a bunch of agenda driven loons who want to ram their own ****lib ideology down everyone else's neck.

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

His own homies do. With their blue hair, repeal jumpers and flat whites. They cling on his every word.

And here we go again, abuse directed at personal characteristics of dog lovers.

The Satanist

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Listen to the interview yourself you ****ing clown and stop the verbal diarrhoea.

Resorting to personal insults, charming.

Ruraldweller56

klaaaz wrote: »

Thanks for the age compliment. You need to look inside your own racer community for the abusive element.



Nobody in the racer community do of course in order to protect their money. The general public who are dog lovers do care.





And here we go again, abuse directed at personal characteristics of dog lovers.

I own dogs myself. Some of which sleep in my own bed. The snoring is extreme but I don't have much choice only to tolerate it.

You're welcome to refute the stereotype of the blue haired, repeal jumper wearing, flat white sipping, love Island watching, atheist loon any time. But none of you have.

I'm arguing on an assumption that has still to be refuted.

And you're still hypocrites if you think killing a child is fine but a dog going around in circles is cruel.

Snugglebunnies

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

You said earlier nó kennel, nó opinion. You've never even owned a greyhound so why is you're opinion to be taken seriously going by your own criteria?

Actually I own dogs, and kennels just not greyhounds.

And the comment was made to highlight the hypocrisy of the majority (from what I can gather but am open to correction - 100%) of these people who have no issue with a baby being slaughtered in its mother's womb but think a dog going around in circles is 'cruelty'.

How the **** can anyone like that be taken seriously? I've gone over that point already.

So you have no greyhounds or anything to do with them? Why do you think you know so much more as an ordinary racegoers than people who have rescued greyhounds personally or worked with them in shelters? You don't know what goes on behind the scenes, and you don't want to hear it.

Ruraldweller56

The Satanist wrote: »

Resorting to personal insults, charming.

Top class arguments there homeboy 😎

Ruraldweller56

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

So you have no greyhounds or anything to do with them? Why do you think you know so much more as an ordinary racegoers than people who have rescued greyhounds personally or worked with them in shelters? You don't know what goes on behind the scenes, and you don't want to hear it.

Not what I said. Try again.

Some of my closest friends have greyhounds. I've walked them and taken them to the greyhound track in my van. For years.

I've never owned any because of personal commitments.

klaaaz

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

I own dogs myself. Some of which sleep in my own bed. The snoring is extreme but I don't have much choice only to tolerate it.

You're welcome to refute the stereotype of the blue haired, repeal jumper wearing, flat white sipping, love Island watching, atheist loon any time. But none of you have.

I'm arguing on an assumption that has still to be refuted.

And you're still hypocrites if you think killing a child is fine but a dog going around in circles is cruel.

You just stereotype the vast majority of the population to love dogs.

Oh, aren't you the one who never heard of the the IGB's IRGT yet so defensive of dog racing? Such ignorance.

Ruraldweller56

klaaaz wrote: »

You just stereotype the vast majority of the population to love dogs.

Oh, aren't you the one who never heard of the the IGB's IRGT yet so defensive of dog racing? Such ignorance.

Who said I hadn't heard of it? Lads honestly you guys are making this **** up as you go along?

CiarraiAbu2

Klaaaz, of course there are arseholes in Greyhound racing and the sooner they are weeded out the better. I keep one dog, I race him and I rehome him and than I get another, I don't make money out of it and never will.

I would never be able to buy a horse (to be honest I couldn't afford the weekly trading fees) which are from 55 to 75 per day. Greyhounds were always the working man's racer.

Get rid of the likes of me and all your left with are about 5 tracks owned by bookies with large trainers.

The problem is you want a ban, it will never be banned with you just end up with bags meetings, ( meetings run by bookies).

You cant go through life thinking it's black or white, there is always some grey. If you think all the anti's are snow-white than your fooling no one but yourself, I don't think even the others think that.

Ruraldweller56

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

Klaaaz, of course there are arseholes in Greyhound racing and the sooner they are weeded out the better. I keep one dog, I race him and I rehome him and than I get another, I don't make money out of it and never will.

I would never be able to buy a horse (to be honest I couldn't afford the weekly trading fees) which are from 55 to 75 per day. Greyhounds were always the working man's racer.

Get rid of the likes of me and all your left with are about 5 tracks owned by bookies with large trainers.

The problem is you want a ban, it will never be banned with you just end up with bags meetings, ( meetings run by bookies).

You cant go through life thinking it's black or white, there is always some grey. If you think all the anti's are snow-white than your fooling no one but yourself, I don't think even the others think that.

Apart from one big guy in Kerry (you most likely know who I'm on about) most do it as a hobby and a loss making exercise.

Maybe one day they might get lucky.

The likes of Klaaaz will never get it.

klaaaz

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Who said I hadn't heard of it? Lads honestly you guys are making this **** up as you go along?

It was you who asked about rehoming a greyhound?

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

Klaaaz, of course there are arseholes in Greyhound racing and the sooner they are weeded out the better. I keep one dog, I race him and I rehome him and than I get another, I don't make money out of it and never will.

I would never be able to buy a horse (to be honest I couldn't afford the weekly trading fees) which are from 55 to 75 per day. Greyhounds were always the working man's racer.

Get rid of the likes of me and all your left with are about 5 tracks owned by bookies with large trainers.

The problem is you want a ban, it will never be banned with you just end up with bags meetings, ( meetings run by bookies).

You cant go through life thinking it's black or white, there is always some grey. If you think all the anti's are snow-white than your fooling no one but yourself, I don't think even the others think that.

The problem is the sheer scale of overbreeding and killing of young healthy dogs in their thousands for a subsidised gambling industry which means the majority of greyhound owners don't give a flying feck about their dogs.

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Apart from one big guy in Kerry (you most likely know who I'm on about) most do it as a hobby and a loss making exercise.

Maybe one day they might get lucky.

The likes of Klaaaz will never get it.

I know who that big guy in Kerry is. Where is the condemnation from within the dog racing community of the abuses of dogs committed by the owners/trainers?? It's silent.

CiarraiAbu2

klaaaz wrote: »

It was you who asked about rehoming a greyhound?



The problem is the sheer scale of overbreeding and killing of young healthy dogs in their thousands for a subsidised gambling industry which means the majority of greyhound owners don't give a flying feck about their dogs.



I know who that big guy in Kerry is. Where is the condemnation from within the dog racing community of the abuses of dogs committed by the owners/trainers?? It's silent.

Klaaaz, there you go again majority, would you PM me the name of the guy in Kerry one of ye.

Ruraldweller56

klaaaz wrote: »

It was you who asked about rehoming a greyhound?



The problem is the sheer scale of overbreeding and killing of young healthy dogs in their thousands for a subsidised gambling industry which means the majority of greyhound owners don't give a flying feck about their dogs.



I know who that big guy in Kerry is. Where is the condemnation from within the dog racing community of the abuses of dogs committed by the owners/trainers?? It's silent.

Yes. I'm not quite sure of the best channels. Seems to me like taking one from a hobbyist would be best. Animal shelters might say otherwise. Blue haired loons might say otherwise. What ever is best

Ruraldweller56

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

Klaaaz, there you go again majority, would you PM me the name of the guy in Kerry one of ye.

Ya exactly

xckjoo

CiarraiAbu2 wrote: »

Klaaaz, of course there are arseholes in Greyhound racing and the sooner they are weeded out the better. I keep one dog, I race him and I rehome him and than I get another, I don't make money out of it and never will.

I would never be able to buy a horse (to be honest I couldn't afford the weekly trading fees) which are from 55 to 75 per day. Greyhounds were always the working man's racer.

Get rid of the likes of me and all your left with are about 5 tracks owned by bookies with large trainers.

The problem is you want a ban, it will never be banned with you just end up with bags meetings, ( meetings run by bookies).

You cant go through life thinking it's black or white, there is always some grey. If you think all the anti's are snow-white than your fooling no one but yourself, I don't think even the others think that.

Very sensible post. If every owner was of a similar mindset to yourself I'd probably still go to races . I said it before, but I don't have a problem with greyhound racing in general. Just that there's some horrendous abuse that's been ignored by the IGB for years and it can't be allowed to continue. Would definitely rather see reform than banning, but would also need to be convinced it'll actually work.

Can you explain the bit in bold a bit more? Do you mean that if it was banned legally it would just continue illegally or is it something else?

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Yes. I'm not quite sure of the best channels. Seems to me like taking one from a hobbyist would be best. Animal shelters might say otherwise. Blue haired loons might say otherwise. What ever is best

I'd lean toward getting one from a shelter purely because the hobbyist will probably go to the effort of properly rehoming the dog anyway. The shelter probably needs you more, so to speak. But either way you'll probably end up with a cracking dog.

charlietheminxx

It seems that a minority of people are happy with public funding going to greyhound racing.

If those of you who love your hounds want to keep it up as a hobby, that's fair enough, but the industry as it stands is corrupt and quite frankly disgraceful. I don't trust it to reform, so pull the public funding and let it scale back based on those who are just doing it for the love of the hobby.

Just imagine what the ISPCA and other animal rescues could do with that kind of funding a week. We should re-direct the money to them and then it can be used to tackle other issues with animal welfare in Ireland.