RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

ILoveYourVibes

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

I got the joke! Still though that dog could have mange... it probably best that he wasn't out in public when he could infect others. Irresponsible tut tut

I agree. Shouldn't even be touched by humans without special gloves.

Any dog i looked after with mange was completely isolated until it was gone.

We had to wear special gloves to touch them.

ILoveYourVibes

Discodog wrote: »

That's copied from an IGB report - I even gave you the link. They are the IGB/ICC figures not mine.

Ok well you still told me that.

And you are going with IGB figures for unaccounted for dogs. So what am I to think?

You are not being consistent.

Do you trust all of their figures or not? Or is simply you want to use them when it satisfies you?

You should apologise for deliberately mis quoting me.

I didn't quote you. I screenshot your actual post.

Discodog

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

I got the joke! Still though that dog could have mange... it probably best that he wasn't out in public when he could infect others. Irresponsible tut tut

Careful. That's close to extremist talk

ILoveYourVibes

Discodog wrote: »

Careful. That's close to extremist talk

Its not nearly extreme enough if the dog actually has mange the dog should be in quarantine.

strandroad

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Ok well you still told me that.

And you are going with IGB figures for unaccounted for dogs. So what am I to think?

You are not being consistent.

Do you trust all of their figures or not? Or is simply you want to use them when it satisfies you?



I didn't quote you. I screenshot your actual quote.

IGB figures are only about dogs self reported as put down. If a dog is injured or maimed at the track and subsequently put down you can't hide it. If you kill and don't report it just goes into the black hole with the rest of them. All those knackeries and dodgy vets do you think it's reported?

Discodog

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Ok well you still told me that.

And you are going with IGB figures for unaccounted for dogs. So what am I to think?

You are not being consistent.

Do you trust all of their figures or not? Or is simply you want to use them when it satisfies you?



I didn't quote you. I screenshot your actual quote.

I don't trust them & I don't believe them. They desperately wouldn't of wanted to post that unaccounted for figure but were forced to. The deaths figure is the tiny number of dogs that were notified. The man going to the Knacker doesn't tell the ICC/IGB neither does the man who shoots the dogs & cuts their ears off.

I doubt the man in the UK, who was found with 10,000 dead Greyhounds, notified them either.

ILoveYourVibes

strandroad wrote: »

IGB figures are only about dogs self reported as put down. If a dog is injured or maimed at the track and subsequently put down you can't hide it. If you kill and don't report it just goes into the black hole with the rest of them.

Those were the figures discodog was going on and gave me. Don't tell me. I didn't post them.

By the way animal welfare reports say about 400 greyhounds a year are put down.

THAT was the figure I gave to him.

ILoveYourVibes

Discodog wrote: »

I don't trust them & I don't believe them. They desperately wouldn't of wanted to post that unaccounted for figure but were forced to. The deaths figure is the tiny number of dogs that were notified. The man going to the Knacker doesn't tell the ICC/IGB neither does the man who shoots the dogs & cuts their ears off.

I doubt the man in the UK, who was found with 10,000 dead Greyhounds, notified them either.

Then why were you practically RAMMING their figures down my throat earlier?

strandroad

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

By the way animal welfare reports say about 400 greyhounds a year are put down.

THAT was the figure I gave to him.

In pounds. Not off the books.
It's 400 too many anyway.

Discodog

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Then why were you practically RAMMING their figures down my throat earlier?

I am nor ever will be (hopefully) anywhere near your throat.

ILoveYourVibes

strandroad wrote: »

It's 400 too many anyway.

I agree.

However I have come to the logical conclusion that Discodog hasn't a clue of how many greyhounds are unaccounted for or put down each year. None that i can have faith in anyway.

I don't think anyone else knows either.

ILoveYourVibes

Discodog wrote: »

I am nor ever will be (hopefully) anywhere near your throat.

You hate me because why?

I care about greyhounds but not as much as you?

You know you are extreme when you hate someone who is just slightly more moderate about their animal rights view than you are.

Do you realize how nuts that seems?

When i point out things i don't like about racing TO racers they just listen and talk.

I point out things to activists they really just HATE you.

They can't talk etc.

You can't even be normal with moderates. I mean you HATE moderate animal lovers.

that isn't normal its an extremist.

Discodog

strandroad wrote: »

In pounds. Not off the books.
It's 400 too many anyway.

Exactly & that has stopped. Not because of any caring for the dogs but because pressure from the LA's made them show the Greyhound figures separately. It embarrassed the hell out of the IGB.

The new problem will be how they get rid of unwanted dogs as the killing options decrease. They used the Pounds as it was cheaper than the Vet.

I can imagine a lot of owners arranging for private, quiet killing. There will be people who will kill the dogs for €20 a time.

strandroad

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I agree.

However I have come to the logical conclusion that Discodog hasn't a clue of how many greyhounds are unaccounted for or put down each year. None that i can have faith in anyway.

I don't think anyone else knows either.

The best we have is the report, broadly in line with what known, and we can triangulate with what we hear on the ground. IGB doesn't want you to know any real figures, the estimates are bad enough for them. It's thousands and thousands anyway. I don't need to know it down to decimal points to protest against such barbaric setup.

Any decent small time owners are free to leave and start an amateur league with no betting.

Discodog

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You hate me because why?

I care about greyhounds but not as much as you?

You know you are extreme when you hate someone who is just slightly more moderate about their animal rights view than you are.

Do you realize how nuts that seems?

When i point out things i don't like about racing TO racers they just listen and talk.

I point out things to activists they really just HATE you.

They can't talk etc.

You can't even be normal with moderates. I mean you HATE moderate animal lovers.

that isn't normal its an extremist.

This is really getting silly now. I am not going to "feed" you.

ILoveYourVibes

strandroad wrote: »

The best we have is the report, broadly in line with what known, and we can triangulate with what we hear on the ground. IGB doesn't want you to know any real figures, the estimates are bad enough for them. It's thousands and thousands anyway. I don't need to know it down to decimal points to protest against such barbaric setup.

Any decent small time owners are free to leave and start an amateur league with no betting.

I doubt it can be in the thousands there aren't even that many greyhounds at the racetracks.

I am not trying to be difficult but where are they coming from?

jackboy

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its not nearly extreme enough if the dog actually has mange the dog should be in quarantine.

It’s not mange.

strandroad

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You hate me because why?

I care about greyhounds but not as much as you?

You know you are extreme when you hate someone who is just slightly more moderate about their animal rights view than you are.

Do you realize how nuts that seems?

When i point out things i don't like about racing TO racers they just listen and talk.

I point out things to activists they really just HATE you.

They can't talk etc.

You can't even be normal with moderates. I mean you HATE moderate animal lovers.

that isn't normal its an extremist.

No one said hate? This thread is clearly destabilising you massively.

ILoveYourVibes

Discodog wrote: »

This is really getting silly now. I am not going to "feed" you.

Maybe you should stop posting in this thread. Or put me on ignore I am putting you on ignore.

ILoveYourVibes

strandroad wrote: »

No one said hate? This thread is clearly destabilising you massively.

Did you see what he posted?

Hopefully I will never be near your throat? I mean who speaks like that? Does that kind of language not indicate hate to you? It does to me.

He made other posts about me in another thread.

Its despicable.

Discodog

strandroad wrote: »

The best we have is the report, broadly in line with what known, and we can triangulate with what we hear on the ground. IGB doesn't want you to know any real figures, the estimates are bad enough for them. It's thousands and thousands anyway. I don't need to know it down to decimal points to protest against such barbaric setup.

Any decent small time owners are free to leave and start an amateur league with no betting.

And it's the fact that it's been the same for decades. People have been protesting, campaigning & revealing the situation for so many years. We've heard so many promises, new schemes, help for rescues etc etc etc yet still thousands of dogs die - sorry disappear without a trace.

Then they wonder why we aren't more friendly & open to change.

strandroad

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Did you see what he posted?

Hopefully I will never be near your throat? I mean who speaks like that? Does that kind of language not indicate hate to you? It does to me.

He made other posts about me in another thread.

Its despicable.

I really think you should step away for a while, your reactions are erratic. You said "rammed down your throat" yourself that's just a reply. There is no hate.

ILoveYourVibes

jackboy wrote: »

It’s not mange.

I can't say. I don't know dogs well enough. I do know mange needs total quarantine though.

And even Sunnybunny said the other dog was underweight.

But then discodog just seemed to make fun of that fact and laugh at it.

Discodog

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I can't say. I don't know dogs well enough. I do know mange needs total quarantine though.

And even Sunnybunny said the other dog was underweight.

But then discodog just seemed to make fun of that fact and laugh at it.

Snuggles has a new name - I like it.

ILoveYourVibes

strandroad wrote: »

I really think you should step away for a while, your reactions are erratic. You said "rammed down your throat" yourself that's just a reply. There is no hate.

BS he is on ignore now there is no need to discuss him further.

I think the main divide is people who want racing banned totally and other sports too probably and those who want to see it reformed.

A lot of people think any kind of greyhound racing no matter how its done is immoral.


A lot of people IN the greyhound racing industry don't want to admit they account for a huge burden on animal rescues.

Neither of them are being moderate.

Discodog

strandroad wrote: »

I really think you should step away for a while, your reactions are erratic. You said "rammed down your throat" yourself that's just a reply. There is no hate.

It's all extremes from the people who castigate extremists. Anyone who knows the atrocities committed by the Industry would find it hard not to hate. I could never be an Inspector. But we have to remain calm, collected & not give anything for the Pro racers to latch on to.

jackboy

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I can't say. I don't know dogs well enough. I do know mange needs total quarantine though.

And even Sunnybunny said the other dog was underweight.

But then discodog just seemed to make fun of that fact and laugh at it.

It is quite common for racing greyhounds to lose hair on their back legs, it doesn’t mean there are health issues. From the picture there does not seem to be inflammation or skin issues with the dog.

Discodog

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

BS he is on ignore now there is no need to discuss him further.

I think the main divide is people who want racing banned totally and other sports too probably and those who want to see it reformed.

A lot of people think any kind of greyhound racing no matter how its done is immoral.


A lot of people IN the greyhound racing industry don't want to admit they account for a huge burden on animal rescues]

Some of us have been promised reform for decades & it never happens. So why should we trust in reform now ?

ILoveYourVibes

I would like to ask the animal rights activists.


Why do you call yourselves anti racing?


Is there any kind of greyhound racing you would support? What would that look like?

Discodog

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I would like to ask the animal rights activists.


Why do you call yourselves anti racing?


Is there any kind of greyhound racing you would support? What would that look like?

I suggest you ask on their websites. There aren't any here