RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

klaaaz

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Work it out.

Spell it out. Still a mystery what you're saying.

klaaaz

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Stop trolling.

You are not that slow.

Nope, you have still not explained what you meant by punters being hard.

What do you mean?

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

And here is advice from someone with experience. Don't get involved with hard punters.

I mean greyhound protestors getting involved with punters would be possible the worst thing you could do

klaaaz

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well klaaz i just told you my brother received death threats for working in such a place and the guards looked at who it was and decided he needed an escort.

So the punters at Shelbourne are violent criminals?

klaaaz

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No not at all. That would be silly.

The punters at shelbourne are the punters everywhere though. They are not pro racers ..they are punters. They are pro gambling.

You said that they were hard and your brother received death threats there (amongst your deleted posts)

Snugglebunnies

More of it today, it never ends.

A greyhound man rang yesterday asking us to take his 18 month old dog who was "no good".
We asked him to hang on to her for a week because we had no room in the kennels and as we have a dog leaving us next week, we could fit her in then.
He said no, we take her now or he'll have her put down.
She arrived first thing this morning. Unspayed, no vaccination record, covered in flea dirt. We got a 10 euro donation.

ILoveYourVibes

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

More of it today, it never ends.

A greyhound man rang yesterday asking us to take his 18 month old dog who was "no good".
We asked him to hang on to her for a week because we had no room in the kennels and as we have a dog leaving us next week, we could fit her in then.
He said no, we take her now or he'll have her put down.
She arrived first thing this morning. Unspayed, no vaccination record, covered in flea dirt. We got a 10 euro donation.

Did you report him?

Is she registered?

Snugglebunnies

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

More of it today, it never ends.

A greyhound man rang yesterday asking us to take his 18 month old dog who was "no good".
We asked him to hang on to her for a week because we had no room in the kennels and as we have a dog leaving us next week, we could fit her in then.
He said no, we take her now or he'll have her put down.
She arrived first thing this morning. Unspayed, no vaccination record, covered in flea dirt. We got a 10 euro donation.

Did you report him?

Is she registered?

Report him for what? It was his dog, he could of legally had her put down if he wanted. Do you think the IGB is going to do anything about that situation? The answer is no!

ILoveYourVibes

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Report him for what?

Neglect. No vaccinations. Allowing the dog to be flea infested.

He shouldn't be allowed to own greyhounds. Inform an ISPCA officer. There are things they can do. They can investigate him. If someone is found to be unreasonably putting down dogs they aren't allowed to own them.

Also was she registered?

That's key to whether he is really apart of the industry or a chancer.

Is she a full greyhound like?

Snugglebunnies

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Report him for what?

Neglect. No vaccinations. Allowing the dog to be flea infested.

He shouldn't be allowed to own greyhounds. Inform an ISPCA officer. There are things they can do. They can investigate him. If someone is found to be unreasonably putting down dogs they aren't allowed to own them.

Also was she registered?

That's key to whether he is really apart of the industry or a chancer.

Time and time again nothing is done. My boss may report him, I'm not sure what she'll do. She could be vaccinated but we got no records so she had to be re done. Yup, registered!

The whole problem with the greyhound industry is that they're allowed to destroy healthy dogs willy nilly so of course he'll be allowed to keep as many dogs as he wants.

ILoveYourVibes

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Time and time again nothing is done. My boss may report him, I'm not sure what she'll do. She could be vaccinated but we got no records so she had to be re done. Yup, registered!

The whole problem with the greyhound industry is that they're allowed to destroy healthy dogs willy nilly so of course he'll be allowed to keep as many dogs as he wants.

That needs to be changed it should be up to animal welfare officers how many dogs trainers can breed.

Snugglebunnies

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Time and time again nothing is done. My boss may report him, I'm not sure what she'll do. She could be vaccinated but we got no records so she had to be re done. Yup, registered!

The whole problem with the greyhound industry is that they're allowed to destroy healthy dogs willy nilly so of course he'll be allowed to keep as many dogs as he wants.

Don’t leave it to someone else. Report it yourself. If you want details I can pm you

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Don’t leave it to someone else. Report it yourself. If you want details I can pm you

I second this.

STB.

I'm not a ban blood sports person. Infact I detest the manner in which many of those organisations represent facts, forgetting of course that in the case of greyhounds, they are born to race.

But then again I detest the manner in which a lot of stuff has been covered up over the years and especially how the slow dogs disappear. These claims that there have been no EPO positive since 2005 are hard to fathom.

But forget EPO, that's a misnomer. There is easier to get your hands on stuff like anabolic steroids in the flaours of Nandrolone and Stanozol and beta blockers like hydrochlorothiazide which have been prevalant for years in the industry. Even cocaine has turned up in tests at the highest levels of the sport. Fines handed out rather than lifetime bans in the majority of cases.

The industry needs to be cleared up, of that there is no doubt. They tried over 10 years ago. Simple fact is the industry is dependent on gambling. That brings the inevitable messing, especially with graded races and shít prize money.

Snugglebunnies

Deleted User wrote: »

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Time and time again nothing is done. My boss may report him, I'm not sure what she'll do. She could be vaccinated but we got no records so she had to be re done. Yup, registered!

The whole problem with the greyhound industry is that they're allowed to destroy healthy dogs willy nilly so of course he'll be allowed to keep as many dogs as he wants.

Don’t leave it to someone else. Report it yourself. If you want details I can pm you

I'm sure my boss will report it, she's not one to let these things go but I'll be asking tomorrow. I don't blame her for being fed up that her complaints constantly fall on deaf ears. Nothing is ever done about it. The amount of complaints we've had to make to the IGB is probably equal to the number of complaints we have to make to the dog warden about traveller dogs and that's saying something. At least the warden tends to help us out but we happen to have a good, caring one in our area. The IGB does absolutely nothing.

The sad thing is that this is not a one off occurance. This happens very regularly, sometimes the dogs are in worse condition too. This needs to end, it's just not acceptable that so many dogs are unwanted and discarded without a second thought.
The girl we got today is lucky, many don't get a second chance.

ILoveYourVibes

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

I'm sure my boss will report it, she's not one to let these things go but I'll be asking tomorrow. I don't blame her for being fed up that her complaints constantly fall on deaf ears. Nothing is ever done about it. The amount of complaints we've had to make to the IGB is probably equal to the number of complaints we have to make to the dog warden about traveller dogs and that's saying something. At least the warden tends to help us out but we happen to have a good, caring one in our area. The IGB does absolutely nothing.

The sad thing is that this is not a one off occurance. This happens very regularly, sometimes the dogs are in worse condition too. This needs to end, it's just not acceptable that so many dogs are unwanted and discarded without a second thought.
The girl we got today is lucky, many don't get a second chance.

Report him to the ISPCA also and the police.

Snugglebunnies

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

I'm sure my boss will report it, she's not one to let these things go but I'll be asking tomorrow. I don't blame her for being fed up that her complaints constantly fall on deaf ears. Nothing is ever done about it. The amount of complaints we've had to make to the IGB is probably equal to the number of complaints we have to make to the dog warden about traveller dogs and that's saying something. At least the warden tends to help us out but we happen to have a good, caring one in our area. The IGB does absolutely nothing.

The sad thing is that this is not a one off occurance. This happens very regularly, sometimes the dogs are in worse condition too. This needs to end, it's just not acceptable that so many dogs are unwanted and discarded without a second thought.
The girl we got today is lucky, many don't get a second chance.

Report him to the ISPCA also and the police.

Ya, the ispca will tell you you have to go to the IGB. The guards would look at you like you've two heads if you go in and complain that a greyhound is unvaccinated and has fleas.

ILoveYourVibes

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Ya, the ispca will tell you you have to go to the IGB. The guards would look at you like you've two heads if you go in and complain that a greyhound is unvaccinated and has fleas.

The responsibilities of the ISPCA is supposed to have changed also recently. Unless they just go after fish killers now.

If you stop trying because you already think you are defeated then you are defeated.

And no campaign will survive that.

Igotadose

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Ya, the ispca will tell you you have to go to the IGB. The guards would look at you like you've two heads if you go in and complain that a greyhound is unvaccinated and has fleas.

Anything look 'not good' about the dog? I'm guessing no, it's a perfectly healthy, normal dog, but neglected and abused.

But it's o.k. it's only a small minority of the trainers that behave this way to their dogs. I'm guessing the documentary saved this dog, it'd have been put down straight away "somehow" otherwise.

ILoveYourVibes

Igotadose wrote: »

Anything look 'not good' about the dog? I'm guessing no, it's a perfectly healthy, normal dog, but neglected and abused.

But it's o.k. it's only a small minority of the trainers that behave this way to their dogs. I'm guessing the documentary saved this dog, it'd have been put down straight away "somehow" otherwise.

A dog cannot be perfectly healthy and normal but neglected and abused at the same time.

Snugglebunnies

Igotadose wrote: »

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Ya, the ispca will tell you you have to go to the IGB. The guards would look at you like you've two heads if you go in and complain that a greyhound is unvaccinated and has fleas.

Anything look 'not good' about the dog? I'm guessing no, it's a perfectly healthy, normal dog, but neglected and abused.

But it's o.k. it's only a small minority of the trainers that behave this way to their dogs. I'm guessing the documentary saved this dog, it'd have been put down straight away "somehow" otherwise.

Nothing "not good" about her at all. A lovely, sweet little thing, a bit shy but in decent shape physically, apart from the fleas. You could tell she hadn't had many cuddles before though!

The problem was she wouldn't chase the lure so there ya go!

Snugglebunnies

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Ya, the ispca will tell you you have to go to the IGB. The guards would look at you like you've two heads if you go in and complain that a greyhound is unvaccinated and has fleas.

The responsibilities of the ISPCA is supposed to have changed also recently. Unless they just go after fish killers now.

If you stop trying because you already think you are defeated then you are defeated.

And no campaign will survive that.

We will never stop trying but it would be nice to be listened to for a change!

ILoveYourVibes

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Nothing "not good" about her at all. A lovely, sweet little thing, a bit shy but in decent shape physically, apart from the fleas. You could tell she hadn't had many cuddles before though!

The problem was she wouldn't chase the lure so there ya go!

Well take care of yourself tonight. Remember the guys details etc. If you want to report him in a day or so.

Over breeding etc over buying of animals so much it produces waste IS something the ISPCA and the police would be interested it.

But don't think about it now.

ILoveYourVibes

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

We will never stop trying but it would be nice to be listened to for a change!

I understand.

Snugglebunnies

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

Nothing "not good" about her at all. A lovely, sweet little thing, a bit shy but in decent shape physically, apart from the fleas. You could tell she hadn't had many cuddles before though!

The problem was she wouldn't chase the lure so there ya go!

I wouldn’t worry about her being shy. It doesn’t necessarily mean that she was abused. One old girl we had was nervous of strangers but happy out in her familiar surroundings. They’re like people, really. Some are more outgoing than others.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

Deleted User wrote: »

They’re like people, really. Some are more outgoing than others.

Ah now they’re not like people. I’ve yet to meet a greyhound that's a horrible bastard

Tilikum17

Longford greyhound track closed down due to ‘insurance costs’

Wonder what will happen many of those dogs?

Tilikum17

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Longford greyhound track closed down due to ‘insurance costs’

Wonder what will happen many of those dogs?

The need for extensive fire safety works along with the increased insurance costs were the main reasons for the closure.

I’m sure that all the dogs will have their ears mutilated, microchips removed, be sent to China to be turned into hot dogs or just raced at other tracks.

I’m sure that you’re just as concerned for those humans who have lost their jobs.

klaaaz

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Longford greyhound track closed down due to ‘insurance costs’

Wonder what will happen many of those dogs?

Closed down due to falling attendances, not just insurance. (Lifford closing as well). They'd probably use Mullingar and Dundalk as alternatives.

The dogs will be lovingly looked after by their greyhound owners as they have the dogs welfare strongly and solidly at heart, that's what we have been told all along by the pro racers.

Igotadose

klaaaz wrote: »

Closed down due to falling attendances, not just insurance. (Lifford closing as well). They'd probably use Mullingar and Dundalk as alternatives.

The dogs will be lovingly looked after by their greyhound owners as they have the dogs welfare strongly and solidly at heart, that's what we have been told all along by the pro racers.

And this will be verified by the hard working employees of the IGB, with each dog's post-track history carefully documented and summarized in reports verified by independent auditors.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

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