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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

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    #3182
    eire4
    Registered Users Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭eire4


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Diversionary tactics, propose the most incendiary tactics to take the attention away from the more lasting policies, like the appointment of ultra conservative judges as mentioned here earlier

    Very good point. I think they understand that if the US was ever to actually be a functioning democracy they would be out on their ear so they are using all means like installing a partisan judiciary to maintain power gerrymandering would be another method and using as you say diversionary tactics to cover it up at least somewhat. Having a compliant MSM which they do in the US given the level of money that gets spend on ads on various media plays a big role as well.


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    #3183
    FatherTed
    Registered Users Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Well, well, well... the tariffs are postponed:
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/13/trump-delay-china-duties-cellphones-laptops-1460478

    and the market is up 400 points. Hmmm, if somebody knew these tariff moves were coming, they could make a lot of money front running the market swings. Is it possible that people close to Trump know these announcements are coming? Because they could be making a lot of money.


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    #3184
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    FatherTed wrote: »
    Well, well, well... the tariffs are postponed:
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/13/trump-delay-china-duties-cellphones-laptops-1460478

    and the market is up 400 points. Hmmm, if somebody knew these tariff moves were coming, they could make a lot of money front running the market swings. Is it possible that people close to Trump know these announcements are coming? Because they could be making a lot of money.

    Insider trading used to be severely sanctioned. It shows the degree of corruption of the current US adminstration that it is pretty much to be expected nowadays.


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    #3185
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    volchitsa wrote: »
    Insider trading used to be severely sanctioned. It shows the degree of corruption of the current US adminstration that it is pretty much to be expected nowadays.

    No, it shows the hysteria of some the posters on here.


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    #3186
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,160 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Hysteria?

    Maybe, but certainly not beyond the realms of possibility given the man in question in all honesty.

    Certainly more credible on paper than for example an unfounded conspiracy theory peddled by said man just a couple of days ago, which serves to illustrate his level of scruples.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #3187
    FatherTed
    Registered Users Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    No, it shows the hysteria of some the posters on here.

    Hysteria? I was questioning the timing and effect of this.

    Plus Market manipulation is just a mid-level Trump crime that will go unprosecuted. Also, he was getting his Gordon Gekko on back in the 80s.


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    #3188
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    FatherTed wrote: »
    Well, well, well... the tariffs are postponed:
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/13/trump-delay-china-duties-cellphones-laptops-1460478

    and the market is up 400 points. Hmmm, if somebody knew these tariff moves were coming, they could make a lot of money front running the market swings. Is it possible that people close to Trump know these announcements are coming? Because they could be making a lot of money.

    I expect that it's going on wholesale among his confidants/external advisors, as Trump telegraph his intentions to his cronies before he tweets out his new policy or its reversal multiple times a month. The big money is made playing the market swings. So far this year, there have been more market fluctuations due to on again/off again China tariffs alone.


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    #3189
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    You are all resorting to just making stuff up now without any proof. Sad.


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    #3190
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    You are all resorting to just making stuff up now without any proof. Sad.


    Could be Trump's influence


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    #3191
    FatherTed
    Registered Users Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    I expect that it's going on wholesale among his confidants/external advisors, as Trump telegraph his intentions to his cronies before he tweets out his new policy or its reversal multiple times a month. The big money is made playing the market swings. So far this year, there have been more market fluctuations due to on again/off again China tariffs alone.

    Wink-wink-nod-nod kind of stuff going on. Trump may not directly benefit from it but those speculators who are loving this will repay him in heavy campaign contributions.


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    #3192
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    FatherTed wrote: »
    Wink-wink-nod-nod kind of stuff going on. Trump may not directly benefit from it but those speculators who are loving this will repay him in heavy campaign contributions.

    You have proof of this...at this stage you lads are looking like cranks.


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    #3193
    FatherTed
    Registered Users Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    You have proof of this...at this stage you lads are looking like cranks.

    As I said I was speculating but I'm sure at some point, probably after the next election when there will be a new administration someone will spill the beans. Until then we have people many people like this:

    Mod Snip - No Memes please


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    #3194
    Water John
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    Farage did it, in plain sight on Referendum night.


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    #3195
    everlast75
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    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    You have proof of this...at this stage you lads are looking like cranks.

    Yeah lads, where's the proof?

    No conspiracy theories are welcome here - only cold hard facts, like the clintons murdered Epstein, or Obama wasn't born in the U.S., or windmills cause cancer, or a representative married her brother to get into the U.S., or Obama wiretapped Trump etc etc etc..


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    #3196
    spacecoyote
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    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    You have proof of this...at this stage you lads are looking like cranks.

    If people had proof of it, then trump would be gone. It's not exactly something that is easily evidenced.

    But what can be said is that Trump does have form for it. He used to float out fake stories of investments he was planning, etc... the first couple of times it worked, but people copped on to his bluffing & it stopped working.

    The problem now is he can genuinely have an impact on markets & its naive to think that hes not aware of that fact!


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    #3197
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    No, the problem is you lads have lost the plot. Probably better that you all take a step back for your own mental health.


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    #3198
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    No, the problem is you lads have lost the plot. Probably better that you all take a step back for your own mental health.

    Cop on a bit.


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    #3199
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Cop on a bit.

    Can you honestly say that the obsession some of the people in here have with Trump is healthy?


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    #3200
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,272 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Can you honestly say that the obsession some of the people in here have with Trump is healthy?

    It's a thread about Trump _taps sign_


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    #3201
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Can you honestly say that the obsession some of the people in here have with Trump is healthy?

    Indeed, it's very worrisome the amount of discussion about Donald Trump that is going on in this Donald Trump's Presidency Thread.


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    #3202
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    Indeed, it's very worrisome the amount of discussion about Donald Trump that is going on in this Donald Trump's Presidency Thread.

    The funniest part about all this is it's from the type of poster who would repeatedly bring the Clintons into this very thread... Three years after the election...


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    #3203
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,630 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Can you honestly say that the obsession some of the people in here have with Trump is healthy?

    No but hey, anything to keep Don at the centre of the attraction that he desires, if that is what Trump supporters want?


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    #3204
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,630 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Yeah lads, where's the proof?

    No conspiracy theories are welcome here - only cold hard facts, like the clintons murdered Epstein, or Obama wasn't born in the U.S., or windmills cause cancer, or a representative married her brother to get into the U.S., or Obama wiretapped Trump etc etc etc..

    Or the ultimate in conspiracies: that the Clintons [with the help of the GOP choosing an unelected non-pol as candidate and not one of their own elected] deliberately threw the election to ensure Don got elected, even though he didn't want the job and he's been stuck with it since.


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    #3205
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Sonny noggs will be taking a break.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3206
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Looking back on it, Every single long running divisive issue he’s weighed in on has swung the country leftwards as a result, from trans rights to health care to gun control to immigration. Whether it’s a consequence of his extreme negativity polling, or just because he doesn’t know how to talk about an issue except in the ugliest, meanest terms, Trump has consistently helped to change attitudes in America in a manner that harms his re-election chances.
    https://twitter.com/angtheodorou/status/1161266465930129408




    *I think it’s the latter, by the way. Whatever mean spirited gibberish he blurts out, his entire party feels the need to defend and insist is true. So instead of offering a nuanced, thought out argument, the Republican Party is presenting itself as stubborn, heartless, and stupid.


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    #3207
    marno21
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    https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/status/1161376516279808000

    Gee and there was me thinking the tariffs were punishing China.


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    #3208
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    marno21 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/status/1161376516279808000

    Gee and there was me thinking the tariffs were punishing China.

    I thought Mexico was paying for the wall and China was paying for Christmas. Am I getting this wrong??? ;-)

    (Shamelessly lifted from one of the better twitter comments!)


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    #3209
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    marno21 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/status/1161376516279808000

    Gee and there was me thinking the tariffs were punishing China.

    The exact quote from Trump was this
    Trump told reporters Tuesday: “We’re doing this for the Christmas season. Just in case some of the tariffs would have an impact on U.S. customers.”

    "Just in case" , sure.

    I reckon he is actually going to capitulate totally to China in the spring time- But he will of course lie through his teeth about how he secures some kind of amazing, historic deal from them.

    However , the impact to him rowing back on all the stupid tariffs that he's introduced will be a bump in the economy - Which of course he'll claim as evidence of his wonderful policies.

    Will enough of the electorate see through the smoke?


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    #3210
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Will enough of the electorate see through the smoke?


    Unlikely, unless Fox News explains it to them.


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    #3211
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    The exact quote from Trump was this



    "Just in case" , sure.

    I reckon he is actually going to capitulate totally to China in the spring time- But he will of course lie through his teeth about how he secures some kind of amazing, historic deal from them.

    However , the impact to him rowing back on all the stupid tariffs that he's introduced will be a bump in the economy - Which of course he'll claim as evidence of his wonderful policies.

    Will enough of the electorate see through the smoke?


    As someone said above, I’d say it’s more to do with insider trading and certain factions making truckloads of millions off his flip flopping with advance notice


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