Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

MadYaker

See this is the sort of posting that I have a hard time believing. It's a view of Trump that, for me at least, just bears no resemblance to the man who's twitter feed I read every day.

TomOnBoard

MadYaker wrote: »

See this is the sort of posting that I have a hard time believing. It's a view of Trump that, for me at least, just bears no resemblance to the man who's twitter feed I read every day.

FFS! We're so far into the Twilight Zone here,it's unreal...

Are we seriously treating the last 3-5 pages seriously? Jeez! I'm re- joiining P.ie!

Can some adult pleeeease come in and restore at least a semblance of order???

Oh, and a massive shout-out to BDI!

Awesome multi-page chaos my man!

Well done, if that's your bag!

BorneTobyWilde

Boris is a puppet on a string for Trump. May didn't listen to Trump, but Trump is making Boris dance.

MadYaker

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Boris is a puppet on a string for Trump. May didn't listen to Trump, but Trump is making Boris dance.

Trump wants a hard brexit so he'll have the UK over a barrell when they work out a trade deal. I suspect Boris isn't dumb enough to listen to Trump but I could be wrong. I think Boris is smarter than Trump, and definitely more politically savvy.

BDI

MadYaker wrote: »

Trump wants a hard brexit so he'll have the UK over a barrell when they work out a trade deal. I suspect Boris isn't dumb enough to listen to Trump but I could be wrong. I think Boris is smarter than Trump, and definitely more politically savvy.

Yep Boris worked all his life in politics and took charge when only a madman would take charge.

Trump turned up last week and took over the world.

I suspect you are right. So does Donald and Boris.

abff

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Are we seriously treating the last 3-5 pages seriously? Jeez! I'm re- joiining P.ie!

Can some adult pleeeease come in and restore at least a semblance of order???

Hopefully, it'll be their bedtime soon.

Water John

abff, that depends where they are, it could be well past their bedtime already.

Brian?

BDI wrote: »

I can’t imagine any other case people would believe a porn star over the president of the us.

I believe the massive pay off he paid to Stormy Daniels speaks for itself.

Dave_The_Sheep

Brian? wrote: »

I believe the massive pay off he paid to Stormy Daniels speaks for itself.

You're assuming these people are rational and listen to paltry things like evidence and reason.

That is not the case.

Outlaw Pete

mcmoustache wrote: »

NK is still testing, Russia is still messing around in Ukraine, SA gets away with chopping up an American resident, farmers are receiving welfare, Americans are paying more for consumer products, Mexico isn't paying for the wall that isn't even being built, world leaders are ignoring the Commander in Chief and and the indicators are pointing to a crash within two years.


Results me hole.

Interesting that you speak about your hole as that's where I suspect you pulled the crap you just posted from.

Only economists with an agenda are predicting a crash within two years and as for the farmers:

...67% of farmers saying they’d back him for reelection in 2020, according to a survey of 1,150 growers carried out by Farm Futures between July 21 and Aug. 3. That’s up from last year, when backing fell to just under 60% following the introduction of Chinese retaliatory tariffs on American soybeans.

As for "the wall that isn't even being built" - would you cut the bull :P

I have already posted showing that multiple states have begun erecting the new steel wall, and showed how border patrol are seeing the signs that it is having the desired effect and making their jobs easier already, and the responses here were pathetic. Like whinging that Trump said it was going to be made of concrete .

Either way, nitpick till your heart's content and engage in as much pedanticism as you want to, won't make a lick of difference, the wall is going up.


https://twitter.com/CBP/status/1165433447181144066
https://twitter.com/CBP/status/1167223427150897152

FreudianSlippers

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So are you saying a president once they leave office they are off the hook for the crimes they may have committed in office ?

No it doesn't. Generally, if the "crime" was known about and the President wasn't impeached it's considered not to have been a crime in reality and not followed-up on. As for crimes discovered after the Presidency, IIRC we'd be in uncharted waters in that regard.

serfboard wrote: »

While you are correct there is an issue there with the two bolded words.

Remember when W said that waterboarding wasn't torture? That was based on him finding a lawyer who would give that legal opinion and then trumpeting it when he found one.

There's an interesting article on it here, which features a character we have gotten to know very well since:
Furthermore, since this President delights in throwing previously held opinions and consensus out the window, maybe the same should be applied to him?

Almost every judge and lawyer in the United States agrees with the Constitutional interpretation of the OLC opinion. Saying it's merely an opinion carries the same logical weight as saying "the 'theory' of gravity". I would have leaned towards believing that a sitting President should be capable of being indicted for crimes committed prior to being President in the past, but in the past few years with more understanding and education in the US Constitution and reading the legal opinions, I understand the practical reason why the interpretation seems to be absolute.

StringerBell

BDI wrote: »

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Do women feel safe?

Wife says she wouldn’t feel any safer if Hilary was put in charge.

Hilary won't be running.

Being a climate change denier and an American who isn't too pushed on democracy/the Constitution I would say you could be in the minority though? A sizable minority but one none the less.

FreudianSlippers

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Interesting that you speak about your hole as that's where I suspect you pulled the crap you just posted from.

Only economists with an agenda are predicting a crash within two years and as for the farmers:



As for "the wall that isn't even being built" - would you cut the bull :P

I have already posted showing that multiple states have begun erecting the new steel wall, and showed how border patrol are seeing the signs that it is having the desired effect and making their jobs easier already, and the responses here were pathetic. Like whinging that Trump said it was going to be made of concrete .

Either way, nitpick till your heart's content and engage in as much pedanticism as you want to, won't make a lick of difference, the wall is going up.


https://twitter.com/CBP/status/1165433447181144066
https://twitter.com/CBP/status/1167223427150897152

CBP confirmed a few weeks ago that all the "new wall" built since 2017 is reconstruction/replacement of old wall.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-has-not-built-a-single-mile-of-new-border-fence-agency-confirms

mcmoustache

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Interesting that you speak about your hole as that's where I suspect you pulled the crap you just posted from.

Only economists with an agenda are predicting a crash within two years and as for the farmers:

Your link doesn't contradict what I said. I said that they are receiving state assistance, bail-outs, handouts, whatever you want to call it. Your link only shows that he has support among farmers.


Having support from farmers doesn't mean that they aren't receiving handouts to offset the predictable consequences of an ill-advised trade-war.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

As for "the wall that isn't even being built" - would you cut the bull :P

It was:


"We're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it"


Not:


"We're going to continue to maintain the existing wall and put up some fences here and there. Then we might be able to put up a few more bits of wall if the landowners will let us. Oh and you'll pay for it."

everlast75

It's truly a sign of the iron clad restraint shown by those responding to Trump supporter tweets here, that we don't simply reply...

"Hahahaha - Trump wanted to nuke hurricanes!!!! What a ****ing idiot".

everlast75

In other news, Trump's people acknowledge he is a ****ing liar

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1167222562046316544?s=19

aloyisious

In another news report of departure from the W/House, Don's PA, Madeline Westerhout resigned Thursday after some-one leaked that she had been indiscrete in "off the record" chats with reporters at hotels giving details of his family and Oval Office operations she was part of. The report, on MSN, is ascribed to NYT. It looks like some-one stiffed her, though whether it was an "in-house" staffer, an indiscrete reporter or some other reason remains to be revealed.

randomname2005

aloyisious wrote: »

In another news report of departure from the W/House, Don's PA, Madeline Westerhout resigned Thursday after some-one leaked that she had been indiscrete in "off the record" chats with reporters at hotels giving details of his family and Oval Office operations she was part of. The report, on MSN, is ascribed to NYT. It looks like some-one stiffed her, though whether it was an "in-house" staffer, an indiscrete reporter or some other reason remains to be revealed.

I am glad he hires only the best people. Maybe that will be the achievement in the history books all the Trump fans are talking about - the administration that kept striving to get the best people and ended up with the highest firing/leaving rate? Or maybe the administration that couldn't find people good enough and ended up with the most acting (rather than permanent) members?

borderlinemeath

randomname2005 wrote: »

I am glad he hires only the best people. Maybe that will be the achievement in the history books all the Trump fans are talking about - the administration that kept striving to get the best people and ended up with the highest firing/leaving rate? Or maybe the administration that couldn't find people good enough and ended up with the most acting (rather than permanent) members?

Well as this NYT article states, Trump has always placed loyalty over credentials and capability. Take the latest press secretary Stephanie Grisham, her DUI mugshot is all over the media.

Ms. Grisham is the latest example of Mr. Trump’s tendency to value loyalty and an embrace of his unorthodox style ahead of other credentials when filling top jobs.
Her career history contains red flags that most administrations might deem troubling. They include losing a private-sector job after being accused of cheating on expense reports, a later job loss over plagiarism charges and two arrests for driving under the influence, the second while working on Mr. Trump’s campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/22/us/politics/stephanie-grisham-press-secretary.html

amandstu

I think he deliberately looks for people to hire that he can get rid of as easily as possible if they don't conform to his plan.

I suspect that "acting positions" are even easier to empty than normal positions .

I would anticipate that Republicans have stocked up on their ant- emetic prescriptions but they probably have naturally robust constitutions in that regard.

Brian?

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

You're assuming these people are rational and listen to paltry things like evidence and reason.

That is not the case.

I know they won't. I respond for people who might be taken in by that nonsense. I feel it's important to not let it stand unchallenged.

Brian?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Interesting that you speak about your hole as that's where I suspect you pulled the crap you just posted from.

Only economists with an agenda are predicting a crash within two years and as for the farmers:



As for "the wall that isn't even being built" - would you cut the bull :P

I have already posted showing that multiple states have begun erecting the new steel wall, and showed how border patrol are seeing the signs that it is having the desired effect and making their jobs easier already, and the responses here were pathetic. Like whinging that Trump said it was going to be made of concrete .

Either way, nitpick till your heart's content and engage in as much pedanticism as you want to, won't make a lick of difference, the wall is going up.


https://twitter.com/CBP/status/1165433447181144066
https://twitter.com/CBP/status/1167223427150897152

That's not a wall. It's a fence.

Mexico aren't paying. The US tax payer is.

check_six

amandstu wrote: »

I think he deliberately looks for people to hire that he can get rid of as easily as possible if they don't conform to his plan.

I suspect that "acting positions" are even easier to empty than normal positions .

I would anticipate that Republicans have stocked up on their ant- emetic prescriptions but they probably have naturally robust constitutions in that regard.

I think the normal full position requires some kind of congressional approval to confirm their assignment. They've just decided to skip this step by keeping people in permanent "acting" positions. So it's easier to fill the spot with another unqualified unsuitable swamp dweller with no oversight too. Again, the rules are nowhere near robust enough to control this behaviour.

mcmoustache

This is a really good picture. I didn't realize that the US was able to do this.



It's really nice of them to let us know that they have that capability over a very hostile airspace. I know it was most likely suspected that they could but it's really nice of them to confirm it.

hotmail.com

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

BDI wrote: »

Meaningful discussion? Call me a troll for being relatively new? Surprised that a number of people have a different opinion than you? Call this opinion bull crap. Meaningful discussion?

I for one feel safe on a world level for the first time since I can remember. Is that not a reasonable gauge to evaluate the leader of the free world on?

People should gauge the leader of the free world on whether or not you feel safe? Seems legit.

Why do people use this leader of the free world phrase about America? Perhaps it's off topic but it seems to underline false notions people have about America.

Massive poverty and widespread institutional racism and yet people think Americans are "free".

amandstu

hotmail.com wrote: »

Why do people use this leader of the free world phrase about America? Perhaps it's off topic but it seems to underline false notions people have about America.

Massive poverty and widespread institutional racism and yet people think Americans are "free".

During the Cold War USA held the line against the Soviet Union in Europe.

It was not unreasonable then for us to consider it as the leader of the forces of freedom and democracy in our area ("the world" was an exaggeration)

Now the USA is showing another face and ,if Trump gets elected again it is difficult to see where the USA will find ,or look for its natural allies

aloyisious

So, as one of his supporters here said, you can tell when Don is joking. He was smiling when he suggested today that he should be given back time stolen from his presidency due to the Dishonest Fool Comey's leak.

Quote “The disastrous IG Report on James Comey shows, in the strongest of terms, how unfairly I, and tens of millions of great people who support me, were treated,” Mr Trump tweeted on Friday morning.
“Our rights and liberties were illegally stripped away by this dishonest fool. We should be given our stolen time back?” He continued: “The fact that James Comey was not prosecuted for the absolutely horrible things he did just shows how fair and reasonable Attorney General Bill Barr is. So many people and experts that I have watched and read would have taken an entirely different course. Comey got Lucky!”

The IG slammed Comey for leaking details of the self-recorded memos he took documenting Don's requests to him BUT also found ”no evidence that Comey or his attorneys released any of the classified information contained in any of the memos to members of the media.”

I need my memory refreshed as to whom Jim Comey leaked his memos to. Does the "Comey got lucky" comment mean AG Barr is now on Don's angry list?

StringerBell

No course not. The report also contained nothing new really. Leaking = bad. This is known.

everlast75

The I.G. report has nothing to do with Barr, so Don won't be angry with him over it..

And Trump only thinks leaks are bad when they adversely affect him. He leaked plenty of confidential info since he has been in office.

everlast75

hotmail.com wrote: »

Why do people use this leader of the free world phrase about America? Perhaps it's off topic but it seems to underline false notions people have about America.

Massive poverty and widespread institutional racism and yet people think Americans are "free".

And thanks to Trump and McConnell the elections aren't fair either