Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

Water John

Quite obvious at this stage, Trump is laying the groundwork for a future after he loses the 2020 election.

'The president tweeted: “Just watched Fox News heavily promoting the Democrats through their DNC Communications Director, spewing out whatever she wanted with zero pushback by anchor, Sandra Smith. The New Fox News is letting millions of GREAT people down! We have to start looking for a new News Outlet. Fox isn’t working for us any more!”

Stallingrad

Could Trump TV work? I'd say advertisers would stay away in droves.

pixelburp

I would imagine any Trump TV would fare as well as Trump Airlines; Steaks; Vodka; Magazine; Mortgages; that NFL rival; "University"; Casinos etc?

In fact I think he DID found a multimedia company in the first breath of the internet hitting mainstream. A failure, like many of his ventures though.

Always worth reminding, this is a man who couldn't make money running a casino, and opened a Mortgage company in 2008, declaring the market to be booming. Strip away the legacy real estate and he's a terrible businessman. Include his university and he's a straight up conman with a good legal team.

Perhaps the big difference this time is the cult of personality that has grown, mixed with that anti establishment slavish devotion to "fake news", and confirmation bias taken to the Nth degree. As said though, he'd struggle to attract advertisers (but no doubt the narrative changed to liberal companies censoring the truth).

BDI

pixelburp wrote: »

I would imagine any Trump TV would fare as well as Trump Airlines; Steaks; Vodka; Magazine; Mortgages; that NFL rival; "University"; Casinos etc?

In fact I think he DID found a multimedia company in the first breath of the internet hitting mainstream. A failure, like many of his ventures though.

Always worth reminding, this is a man who couldn't make money running a casino, and opened a Mortgage company in 2008, declaring the market to be booming. Strip away the legacy real estate and he's a terrible businessman. Include his university and he's a straight up conman with a good legal team.

Perhaps the big difference this time is the cult of personality that has grown, mixed with that anti establishment slavish devotion to "fake news", and confirmation bias taken to the Nth degree. As said though, he'd struggle to attract advertisers (but no doubt the narrative changed to liberal companies censoring the truth).

Advertisers? I’d pay a subscription for real news from a trusted source, a man who cuts through the bull like a good butcher.

Advertisers have vested interests and lead to fake news.

pixelburp

BDI wrote: »

Advertisers? I’d pay a subscription for real news from a trusted source, a man who cuts through the bull like a good butcher.

Advertisers have vested interests and lead to fake news.

Donald Trump is a noted liar and rails against polls or news that present him in a negative light. He boasts without backup, and often posits ideas with no merit or tether with reality. And, as mentioned, has a string of failures with historical businesses. He cannot be considered a 'trusted' source, unless you buy into confirmation bias of his anti-establishment position (insofar a wealthy NY real estate magnate can be considered "anti establishment").

His mouthpieces spin with the best of them, up to and including agreeing that incidents like the Hurricane Maria deathtoll was a democrat conspiracy. If you buy into that, then I have some old rope I'd like to sell you...

duploelabs

BDI wrote: »

Advertisers? I’d pay a subscription for real news from a trusted source, a man who cuts through the bull like a good butcher.

Advertisers have vested interests and lead to fake news.

Trusted source? What is his proven lie rate currently or each and every one fake news?

BDI

pixelburp wrote: »

Donald Trump is a noted liar and rails against polls or news that present him in a negative light. He boasts without backup, and often posits ideas with no merit or tether with reality. And, as mentioned, has a string of failures with historical businesses. He cannot be considered a 'trusted' source, unless you buy into confirmation bias of his anti-establishment position (insofar a wealthy NY real estate magnate can be considered "anti establishment").

His mouthpieces spin with the best of them, up to and including agreeing that incidents like the Hurricane Maria deathtoll was a democrat conspiracy. If you buy into that, then I have some old rope I'd like to sell you...

If it suits a Trump hater to believe he lost all his money they will believe that. If it suits them to believe he has always had money they will believe that.
He is a business man. It’s like educated gambling. You win some, you lose some. You never hear of all his successes.
He lost everything but he has money? Yeah but he only has money because his dad left him money? So he still has money? Yeah but only because of real estate? So he had to sell all his houses to run for president? No well he had some money.

The man has been partying since I can remember. Private jets, champagne best suits money can buy. Still alive at an age all of us will probably be dead at.

Who is the smart one? Him or you?

pixelburp

BDI wrote: »

If it suits a Trump hater to believe he lost all his money they will believe that. If it suits them to believe he has always had money they will believe that.
He is a business man. It’s like educated gambling. You win some, you lose some. You never hear of all his successes.
He lost everything but he has money? Yeah but he only has money because his dad left him money? So he still has money? Yeah but only because of real estate? So he had to sell all his houses to run for president? No well he had some money.

The man has been partying since I can remember. Private jets, champagne best suits money can buy. Still alive at an age all of us will probably be dead at.

Who is the smart one? Him or you?

Confirmation bias then. I never said he lost all his money, please read my posts first. If you're going to engage with "Trump hater" because I choose to take the crazy idea of looking at his actions as the judge of a man, then clearly you want to admire Trump and refuse to lean from that. If you're not willing to look at this laundry list of lies, exaggerations and failures both prior to his political career & during, then we have nothing to discuss. Doubly so if you're going to put words in my mouth.

Also, we don't know how much money Trump has because he refuses to release his tax returns, once against lying that being under audit makes it impossible (it doesn't). So we literally don't know how much money he has in the bank, and given running rumour suggests most banks refused to give him capital after 2008, I'd take his braggadocio with a pinch of salt.

Plenty of folks lived the high life on credit they didn't have in this very country, so i wouldn't put stock into the trappings of wealth either. But reads like you don't want to, so here we are.

BDI

pixelburp wrote: »

Confirmation bias then. I never said he lost all his money, please read my posts first. If you're going to engage with "Trump hater" because I choose to take the crazy idea of looking at his actions as the judge of a man, then clearly you want to admire Trump and refuse to lean from that. If you're not willing to look at this laundry list of lies, exaggerations and failures both prior to his political career & during, then we have nothing to discuss. Doubly so if you're going to put words in my mouth.

Also, we don't know how much money Trump has because he refuses to release his tax returns, once against lying that being under audit makes it impossible (it doesn't). So we literally don't know how much money he has in the bank, and given running rumour suggests most banks refused to give him capital after 2008, I'd take his braggadocio with a pinch of salt.

Plenty of folks lived the high life on credit they didn't have in this very country, so i wouldn't put stock into the trappings of wealth either. But reads like you don't want to, so here we are.

You talk about confirmation bias but here you say you think he is broke because there was a rumour that he was refused a loan during a global credit crunch.

When did the trump interest start for you? Was it the grab em by the wotsit comment?

pixelburp

BDI wrote: »

You talk about confirmation bias but here you say you think he is broke because there was a rumour that he was refused a loan during a global credit crunch.

When did the trump interest start for you? Was it the grab em by the wotsit comment?

I never said he was broke.
Read again.
I said we don't know how much money he actually has, only what he claims because he refuses to publicise his tax returns.

He can't have been that aware of the crunch give he started a mortgage company in the teeth of the crash.

If you want to hero worship Trump, go for it, but don't pretend the man doesn't talk a bigger game than his business and politics has shown. Or throw snark at those who would hold him to account.

jochenstacker

Trump as a person is a piece of shizzle. Besides that he lost his money and is being kept afloat by dodgy Russian mulah. His golf courses are a giant money laundering operation. He bankrupted THREE casinos.
I used to allow stupidity as a reason to be hoiked in by him.
But right now Trump's awfulness is so glaringly obvious, that I must come to the conclusion that, anyone who professes a fondness of the man does so because the man is an utter piece of filth. Anyone can come to their own conclusions here...

BDI

jochenstacker wrote: »

Trump as a person is a piece of shizzle. Besides that he lost his money and is being kept afloat by dodgy Russian mulah. His golf courses are a giant money laundering operation. He bankrupted THREE casinos.
I used to allow stupidity as a reason to be hoiked in by him.
But right now Trump's awfulness is so glaringly obvious, that I must come to the conclusion that, anyone who professes a fondness of the man does so because the man is an utter piece of filth. Anyone can come to their own conclusions here...

Holey Moley. They will march him out in handcuffs any moment now.

MadYaker

BDI wrote: »

You talk about confirmation bias but here you say you think he is broke because there was a rumour that he was refused a loan during a global credit crunch.

When did the trump interest start for you? Was it the grab em by the wotsit comment?

It wouldn't be a good idea to get your news from someone who lies as much as trump.

Cody montana

BDI wrote: »

Holey Moley. They will march him out in handcuffs any moment now.

In the end they will. ðŸ‘

TomOnBoard

Cody montana wrote: »

In the end they will. ðŸ‘

He will resign the Presidency (at the latest) on the morning of Inaugeration Day for the next President, if he hasnt pulled the pin earlier on spurious health grounds. Pence will take over as President for a few hours, and for his first act will issue a blanket pardon for any/all crimes committed while he (Trump) was President. That will resolve any exposure to Obstruction of Justice charges. It will be then in the hands of States to prosecute for any other charges (such State charges as might be brought not being amenable to a Presidential pardon) that relate to Trump Organisation and/or other pre-President crimes.

That's how the US system worked in Nixon's case. Ive no reason to believe that it would be any different for Trump.

jochenstacker

BDI wrote: »

Holey Moley. They will march him out in handcuffs any moment now.

This was not a post to reflect on Trump, but his followers.
What Trump is, is well known. Anyone who admires the man, does not do so for any positive reasons.

Brian?

BDI wrote: »

If it suits a Trump hater to believe he lost all his money they will believe that. If it suits them to believe he has always had money they will believe that.
He is a business man. It’s like educated gambling. You win some, you lose some. You never hear of all his successes.
He lost everything but he has money? Yeah but he only has money because his dad left him money? So he still has money? Yeah but only because of real estate? So he had to sell all his houses to run for president? No well he had some money.

The man has been partying since I can remember. Private jets, champagne best suits money can buy. Still alive at an age all of us will probably be dead at.

Who is the smart one? Him or you?

Champagne? He doesn’t drink.

Best suits? Made in China, Trump brand suits. That rarely actually fit.

Private jets? Trump airline went bankrupt.

Still alive in his early 70s and you’re impressed? Life expectancy now is well into the 90s.

BDI

Brian? wrote: »

Champagne? He doesn’t drink.

Best suits? Made in China, Trump brand suits. That rarely actually fit.

Private jets? Trump airline went bankrupt.

Still alive in his early 70s and you’re impressed? Life expectancy now is well into the 90s.

Hang on now. How do you know he doesn’t drink?

one armed dwarf

Trump has claimed he's teetotal since his brother died to alcholicism

BDI

one armed dwarf wrote: »

Trump has claimed he's teetotal since his brother died to alcholicism

Wait now, do we only trust him when we want to?

TomOnBoard

one armed dwarf wrote: »

Trump has claimed he's teetotal since his brother died to alcholicism

And everyone knows he never lies....

jochenstacker

BDI wrote: »

Wait now, do we only trust him when we want to?

Actually, you're right. If he makes that claim, I don't believe it out of general principle.

aloyisious

One thing that can be said about Don Trump is that for some he's proof of the great American dream, anyone can be president, an ideal people aspire to. The fact that they ignore his lifestyle is funded by them, who he doesn't care a fig for, is something he's happy for them to continue.

If one wants to get Don by the short and curlies, the way is to stack the bank boards with your people and wait for him to become a private citizen again with bank accounts, reliant on his own means. Defund him with seizure of account contents and property, See how far his friends list goes [joe, can you loan me a dime] before they give him the bums rush. For a man who can work a good deal, since taking up office he's made himself an enemies list a mile long inside and outside the GOP [an enemy of my enemy is my friend].

Looking at his stay at home [Camp David] instead of visiting Poland, all on the basis of his concern for Florida [while he says he doesn't care for Mar-el-largo] stinks of concern for the voter loyalty to the GOP.

TomOnBoard

aloyisious wrote: »

One thing that can be said about Don Trump is that for some he's proof of the great American dream, anyone can be president, an ideal people aspire to. The fact that they ignore his lifestyle is funded by them, who he doesn't care a fig for, is something he's happy for them to continue.

The only thing Trump proves is that Sonny Corleone could have become POTUS if he hadnt been gunned down at the toll booth. Can you even imagine Sonny Corleone as President??

The fact that so many people (most of whom don't have the means to meet a financial emergency that would cost them $400) would support a scumbag Mafioso like Sonny C (allegory for The Don) is simply inexplicable to me.

MadYaker

BDI wrote: »

Wait now, do we only trust him when we want to?

I think numerous other people have verified this. He's on enough perscription meds anyway and he can just about string a sentence together as it is so if he starting drinking it'd be a total disaster.

BDI

Sonny corleone, prescription drugs, money laundering for the mafia.

Have at it lads I’m unfollowing this thread.

StringerBell

BDI wrote: »

Sonny corleone, prescription drugs, money laundering for the mafia.

Have at it lads I’m unfollowing this thread.

Bet you don't though.

TomOnBoard

BDI wrote: »

Sonny corleone, prescription drugs, money laundering for the mafia.

Have at it lads I’m unfollowing this thread.

The truth hurts, don't it?

Stop moaning ffs

He’s been addicted to aderol which is speed basically, since the 80s.
You only have to look at some of his more deranged tweets for evidence of that.

Igotadose

Looks like Trump's looking into reducing capital gains tax. This has the fingerprints of clueless Larry Kudlow all over it, listening to the GOP parasite-muse Grover Nordquist. The idea is, adjust capital gains by inflation. Just a giveaway to those who capital gains tax is a big part of their income, i.e., the very wealthy. Zero impact on 401k holders, you can trade your 401k holdings all day long and not pay capital gains tax on them while they're in the 401k. When you withdraw, you pay income tax on the amount you withdraw.

And doing this via executive decree is glaringly banana-republic. Plus the amount being bandied about, about the cost, to me seems frighteningly low. More bigger deficits. IOKIYAR.

https://slate.com/business/2019/08/indexing-capital-gains-taxes-donald-trump-economy.html