Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

Zubeneschamali

pixelburp wrote: »

You know what I won't miss in the sphere of politics when Trump leaves office though? Bloody press quotes with damned aircraft engine noise in the background.

Ronnie Reagan, also senile, used to do this all the time. Here's a report from 1987 complaining about it:

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/21/us/washington-talk-the-presidency-shouting-questions-at-reagan.html

his remarks were made not in a prime-time address to the nation or at a formal news conference, but on the back lawn of the White House, shouted at reporters over the roar of a Presidential helicopter.

Such chaotic exchanges have become the primary way that Mr. Reagan communicates with the press corps these days.

There's even a Doonesbury cartoon:

https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/1984/10/26

salmocab

I have to say these minor gafs that Trump comes out with aren’t of themselves particularly worrying, we all make little errors like this when we talk about things. However the sheer amount of them is ridiculous. He mixed up the anniversary of the war starting with it finishing, he added Alabama to a list of places threatened by the storm. Neither of these should be a big deal but the fact that so many are coming in makes me think something isn’t quite right.

Water John

Maybe he just doesn't hear right and needs ear wax removal.

Stop moaning ffs

pixelburp wrote: »

Turns out he was golfing on Monday as well (Labour Day in the US, so a day off for many), so ... well, look let's be somewhat fair; we've seen from previous natural disasters that Trump is neither empathic enough to be a beacon of authoritative comfort, nor organised enough to get the right legislative cogs moving. So maybe wasting away his time on the golf course is the best move? Or rather, it would be if he could resist the urge to be the centre of attention at all times at stay off Twitter.

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1168560672168452098

You know what I won't miss in the sphere of politics when Trump leaves office though? Bloody press quotes with damned aircraft engine noise in the background. Remember when presidents conducted press conferences indoors, in a room, as opposed to this whole "I'm too busy for meetings, gotta go!" charade Trump pulls?

Maybe he feels it masks the utter inane drivel he spouts: congratulations Poland on being 80 years Nazi free?

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1168391562184859648

Pence is in Ireland currently though. Not Poland

Christy42

mad muffin wrote: »

It was posted as if this was wholly unique to Trump. At least he canceled his trip so he could be in the country. Or perhaps he should be manning the phones?

Trump is staying because Trump hates travelling. Don't pretend it is any other reason. The man has already forgotten about several natural disasters to hit the US during his presidency. Why would he care more about this one?

Trump based a lot of his campaign on not spending half his presidency playing golf.

I am not getting dragged into talking about Obama.

MadYaker

mad muffin wrote: »

It was posted as if this was wholly unique to Trump. At least he canceled his trip so he could be in the country. Or perhaps he should be manning the phones?

I don’t recall anyone saying this was unique to Trump.

Start another thread if you want to talk about Obama.

We bash Trump for being on the golf course but to be honest it’s probably best he leaves the adults to deal with serious stuff like natural disasters.

MadYaker

Trump has already told far more lies than Obama ever did. Trump vs Obama. I don't think anyone is arguing that Obama's presidency was scandal free, there were a good few scandals that I can remember, but it pales in comparison to Trumps presidency and we're only 3 years in.

But to be honest if we continue this Obama stuff we'll all be banned, start another thread if you really want to discuss it. I won't mention it again.

ancapailldorcha

Mod: Thread cleaned up and Mad Muffin banned. Back on topic please which, incidentally is not Hilary Clinton or Barack Obama.

antix80

salmocab wrote: »

He mixed up the anniversary of the war starting with it finishing, he added Alabama to a list of places threatened by the storm. Neither of these should be a big deal but the fact that so many are coming in makes me think something isn’t quite right.

The message for Poland.. "congratulations, you have great people. We have 8 million Poles in our country"... People have already complained that at those helicopter-side pressers Trump intentionally plucks a noun from the sentence and talks about it while ignoring the question. He did it again. If you think it's a gaffe, you're mistaken.

Alabama was on the list of places threatened by the storm. It was taken off the list and since that happened Trump name-checked it a few times. If he said "Alaska" I'd probably call it a gaffe.

salmocab

antix80 wrote: »

The message for Poland.. "congratulations, you have great people. We have 8 million Poles in our country"... People have already complained that at those helicopter-side pressers Trump intentionally plucks a noun from the sentence and talks about it while ignoring the question. He did it again. If you think it's a gaffe, you're mistaken.

Alabama was on the list of places threatened by the storm. It was taken off the list and since that happened Trump name-checked it a few times. If he said "Alaska" I'd probably call it a gaffe.

No don’t get me wrong I’m not defending him at all, what I’m saying is if they were isolated incidents it would be fine, guy makes a mistake or says something clumsy without thinking the sentence through before hand is okay but it’s. The fact that these things happen constantly is a real worry.

antix80

salmocab wrote: »

The fact that these things happen constantly is a real worry.

I find it interesting that when people try to make an issue out of nothing, they betray themselves by adding the words "real" or "very real."

Look out for it. At the least it will flag the user of the term as biased.

salmocab

antix80 wrote: »

I find it interesting that when people try to make an issue out of nothing, they betray themselves by adding the words "real" or "very real."

Look out for it. At the least it will flag the user of the term as biased.

Not sure what your driving at, I’m not making an issue out of nothing I’m making it out of constant somethings. That was the whole point of my post. I’d happily dismiss an awkwardly worded sentence or have a snigger at a silly mistake but these things are constant.
Yes I am biased by the way I’ve long since made up my mind about him. As is pretty much everyone here whichever way they feel about him.

Water John

Most people recognise the gaffs of Biden and George W Bush, as just that, a quirk if you like. Trump's memory lapses and misspeakes. are a different issue.

James Brown

He wings it a lot too though. Maybe a mix of both. We know he doesn't read all the reports he gets.

peddlelies

Water John wrote: »

Most people recognise the gaffs of Biden and George W Bush, as just that, a quirk if you like. Trump's memory lapses and misspeakes. are a different issue.

I agree with you that people can misspeak under pressure publicly but Biden has come out with some right clangers lately that rival Trump which obviously lay a foundation for people to question his mental fitness for office. Age is a big factor with him imo. As the campaign heats up it will be obvious to everyone either way.

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1165372396607553536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1165372396607553536&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com%2Fvideo%2F2019%2F08%2F25%2Fjoe_biden_in_keene_new_hampshire_whats_not_to_like_about_vermont_what_a_neat_town.html

everlast75

peddlelies wrote: »

I agree with you that people can misspeak under pressure publicly but Biden has come out with some right clangers lately that rival Trump which obviously lay a foundation for people to question his mental fitness for office. Age is a big factor with him imo.

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1165372396607553536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1165372396607553536&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com%2Fvideo%2F2019%2F08%2F25%2Fjoe_biden_in_keene_new_hampshire_whats_not_to_like_about_vermont_what_a_neat_town.html

Absolutely fine by me.

Then we can all agree; both Biden and Trump shouldn't be the president in 2020.

pixelburp

This isn't Bidens first Primary either and obviously they didn't work out (in fact I think one was a disaster but don't have the stats in front of me; like, a Hinckenlooper level of impact). I can't help but wonder is this stubbornness, or just not having the right people to go "Joe, just enjoy your retirement and leave it to others".

If nothing else, man's a sergeant, not a general; there was a reason Obama chose him as VP, being able to bring that no-sh*ts-given without the oversight.

I've vacillated over whether Sanders is too old, sometimes seeming worn out, then suddenly full of energy the next - but Biden has come across shot since day 1. And he'd be gods gift to every attack dog on the GOP payroll if he got the nod.

EltonJohn69

peddlelies wrote: »

I agree with you that people can misspeak under pressure publicly but Biden has come out with some right clangers lately that rival Trump which obviously lay a foundation for people to question his mental fitness for office. Age is a big factor with him imo. As the campaign heats up it will be obvious to everyone either way.

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1165372396607553536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1165372396607553536&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com%2Fvideo%2F2019%2F08%2F25%2Fjoe_biden_in_keene_new_hampshire_whats_not_to_like_about_vermont_what_a_neat_town.html

Biden is not up to the task of taking on trump.... He just doesn’t seem sharp.. him being the democratic candidate will be a disaster... I expect more poor performances from him in the upcoming debates

mcmoustache

Water John wrote: »

Most people recognise the gaffs of Biden and George W Bush, as just that, a quirk if you like. Trump's memory lapses and misspeakes. are a different issue.

It's like looking at the leaves shaking in a light breeze, then looking at a tree being stripped and uprooted by a hurricane and thinking that they're the same thing. Sure, in a way they're the same thing but there are a few key differences, most notably in scale and intensity.

duploelabs

Trump is now saying that the meteorologists are wrong and that Dorian could have hit Alabama, doesn't sound like a slip of the tongue

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-insists-meteorologists-wrong-hurricane-105100591.html

antix80

duploelabs wrote: »

Trump is now saying that the meteorologists are wrong and that Dorian could have hit Alabama, doesn't sound like a slip of the tongue

You're contributing to the echo chamber of nonsense.

Trump made an innocent mistake thinking Alabama was still at risk.. Maybe he didn't notice Alabama was omitted in his last briefing . A bunch of weathermen pointed out he was wrong and of course the media seized on it, using it to question Trump's mental state and cognitive abilities.

Trump as always refuses to admit he's wrong so rather than admit his data was out of date he went after one reporter (prob the most vocal) for "demeaning and belittling" him. He rightly pointing out in the original scenario he's referring to that alabama may be hit- just as at one stage it was feared puerto rico would receive the worst of it.. Projections change.

I admit I'm a fan of Trump and i feel sorry for people who have meltdowns even when Trump says something innocuous because it reflects very badly on them.

Leroy42

TBF, he is the POTUS, not some local dude in the pub.

If he says that Alabama is going to be hit what do you think that does to people in that state that listen to him? And since you are happy to concede that he is just a little sloppy and easily makes mistakes, how does anyone take anything he says seriously?

The positions, basically in charge of 350m peoples futures, is quite important and should be treated as such. Not with this lack of care and rather than look to correct the error and sooth peoples fears, he looks to attack anyone that brings it up in a bid to save himself looking a bit foolish.

Ben Done

antix80 wrote: »

I admit I'm a fan of Trump and i feel sorry for people who have meltdowns even when Trump says something innocuous because it reflects very badly on them.

What about him are you a fan of?


The criminal obstruction of justice?
The pay offs to porn stars?
The 10000 plus lies?
The racism?
The locking up children?
The complete inability to run an executive and huge staff turnover?
The climate denial?
The huge tax fraud?
The money laundering?
The golfing?

antix80

Ben Done wrote: »

What about him are you a fan of?

You forgot "He wants to put gays in concentration camps!"

MadYaker

Trump and Biden should both be in an old folks home.

pixelburp

antix80 wrote: »

You're contributing to the echo chamber of nonsense.

Trump made an innocent mistake thinking Alabama was still at risk.. Maybe he didn't notice Alabama was omitted in his last briefing . A bunch of weathermen pointed out he was wrong and of course the media seized on it, using it to question Trump's mental state and cognitive abilities.

Citation please before you have a go at folks here. If you saw a report that listed Alabama at risk, then share it. Otherwise you're just speculating.

Trump reportedly suggested nuking hurricanes, amongst other ludicrous ideas actually voiced in public such as raking forest floors, or that windmills give you cancer. To name a couple. Maybe that specific incident was innocent, maybe not; because among the tide of other asinine declarations of superlatives and expertise ("nobody knows the environment / Isis more than me..."), it can be hard to parse the idiocy from the innocent mistake.

Trump is that guy in the pub, the self declared expert who insists on flapping his gob despite no actual knowledge on subjects. It's not much to ask the POTUS to be held to a higher standard of education or knowledge.

antix80

Leroy42 wrote: »

If he says that Alabama is going to be hit what do you think that does to people in that state that listen to him?

They like him in Alabama. They'll probably credit him with not getting hit.

And.. Plot twist.. But CNN who spent all day moaning about Trump's mistake made a howler of their own.

https://www.newsweek.com/cnn-mistake-alabama-label-mississippi-hurricane-dorian-path-donald-trump-brian-stelter-1457438

aloyisious

duploelabs wrote: »

Trump is now saying that the meteorologists are wrong and that Dorian could have hit Alabama, doesn't sound like a slip of the tongue

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-insists-meteorologists-wrong-hurricane-105100591.html

Let's face it. He, like most people, hates to be corrected. He refuses to see the office he holds means it's not a difference of opinion between neighbours, he sees it as the boss being corrected by his employees "Mr President, you've got it wrong again".

pixelburp

antix80 wrote: »

You forgot "He wants to put gays in concentration camps!"

His justice department has petitioned the Supreme Court to discuss changing Title VII to specify that it only pertain to straight couples (open to specificity of wording here), which in effect will allow discrimination against gay people in the workplace (Title VIi is often used in discrimination cases taken by LGBTQ folk) so... concentration camps? No, but his admin is definitely trying to erode gay rights.

You can plead Pence as the architect here - recall Trump joking publicly how Pence "wants to hang" gay people - but the buck has to stop with Mr Art of the Deal.

Edit, just to repost the news story, because IMO it's important to maintain the content of Trumps actions, lest the sarky think it's all about chortling over his foolishness

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/trump-scotus-gay-workers

antix80

pixelburp wrote: »

Citation please before you have a go at folks here. If you saw a report that listed Alabama at risk, then share it. Otherwise you're just speculating.

Tbh i dont remember seeing a report, just remember thinking it plausible given how the direction can change..

For the sake of a source i googled it..
https://eu.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/weather/2019/08/30/hurricane-dorian-alabama-update-path-track-category-projection-forecast/2164905001/

https://yellowhammernews.com/ivey-approves-alabama-national-guard-support-for-florida-if-needed-from-hurricane-dorian/

Nuking hurricanes.. He denied saying it

Raking forest.. There's some truth in it. https://youtu.be/o_EZeAiy3ew when a forest is cleared they use heavy machinery to remove roots and scrub and till the earth.

Windmills and cancer.. Definitely joking.