Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

EltonJohn69

Republicans supporting or turning on Trump will cost them votes... Trump has put them in catch 22

duploelabs

I'd love to know what the play is by getting Pence involved, he's been (relatively) squeaky clean in this administration

https://www.inquisitr.com/5656541/donald-trump-mike-pence-conversations-ukraine-president-transcripts/

Tchaikovsky

Pence's head is under the bus right about now.

everlast75

duploelabs wrote: »

I'd love to know what the play is by getting Pence involved, he's been (relatively) squeaky clean in this administration

https://www.inquisitr.com/5656541/donald-trump-mike-pence-conversations-ukraine-president-transcripts/

Because Trump is a narcissist and cannot accept blame for anything. Either he is the victim or he distracts by saying everyone else was doing it.

Michael Cohen (of all f'n people) warned them.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/HouseInSession/status/1177162657415270401?s=19

Popcorn at the ready folks....

Igotadose

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Pence's head is under the bus right about now.

Both impeached.. welcome President Pelosi.

Gop nuclear meltdown in 3...2...

duploelabs

Igotadose wrote: »

Both impeached.. welcome President Pelosi.

Gop nuclear meltdown in 3...2...

Well it'll put to bed the play of Trump resigning 30 minutes before he leaves office and President Pence pardoning him

EltonJohn69

Whistle blower complaint shows that there was a cover up.... with evidence taken from a server

Eric Cartman

rossie1977 wrote: »

Trump had horrible debates vs Clinton and the only thing people remember from those were his sniffling, his weird standing behind Clinton and 'not a puppet'. Whoever wins Dem nomination is not going to go easy on Trump like Hillary was told to do. Warren is a better debater than Hillary Clinton.

If 2020 was such a foregone conclusion like Trump fans across the web claim, why does he need dirt on one of his biggest rivals from a foreign country?

What, there is absolutely no evidence for that, she tried as hard as she and her team could and failed,

RIGOLO

Democrats playing more casino politics.
moved from russiaforeva to ukraineforeva .

Going all in on the impeachment over Ukraine nothing burger.

Puts a nail in Bidens run.

Warren will get the nomination.

That will nail on Trump for re-election 2020.

980 days in Office 480 more to go and then term2 .

Great to know we are less than half way thru his 2 term presidency.

rossie1977

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What, there is absolutely no evidence for that, she tried as hard as she and her team could and failed,

Biden even said it https://www.insider.com/biden-told-clinton-not-to-criticize-trump-for-access-hollywood-tape-2019-9

The Dems whole strategy was we don't stoop to Trump's level.

Clinton still easily won all three debates. Trump isn't a good debater.

Penn

duploelabs wrote: »

I'd love to know what the play is by getting Pence involved, he's been (relatively) squeaky clean in this administration

https://www.inquisitr.com/5656541/donald-trump-mike-pence-conversations-ukraine-president-transcripts/

Could very well be a warning to the GOP that if they don't protect Trump, Pence's hands are just as dirty so they can't just replace him with Pence as he'd be implicated too. Pence has certainly seemed to be pretty clean, but this shows he could very well have been doing plenty under Trump's orders that'd get him in trouble too.

Christy42

rossie1977 wrote: »

Biden even said it https://www.insider.com/biden-told-clinton-not-to-criticize-trump-for-access-hollywood-tape-2019-9

The Dems whole strategy was we don't stoop to Trump's level.

Clinton still easily won all three debates. Trump isn't a good debater.

He is traditionally terrible in face to face situations.

He slagged off May to the press and hastily back tracked as soon as he had to face her face to face.

Similar to the G7 summit when he started slagging them as soon as he was safely hidden on a plane back to the US.

He can stir up a crowd brilliantly when he has the stage to himself but can't hack when people are listening to two sides of it. The simple insults and short catchphrases simply don't translate as well when someone can answer you back and he doesn't seem to have much backbone to face someone down in person.

marno21

Nearing 40 tweets/retweets now since 10pm eastern last night. Borderline meltdown on Twitter

The latest

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1177201488688537602

Gbear

marno21 wrote: »

Nearing 40 tweets/retweets now since 10pm eastern last night. Borderline meltdown on Twitter

The latest

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1177201488688537602

I should sincerely hope so.

A democratic party not trying to destroy a fascist party would be a democratic party not doing its job.

All caps tweets really do scream 'Stable Genius'.

peddlelies

Gbear wrote: »

I should sincerely hope so.

A democratic party not trying to destroy a fascist party would be a democratic party not doing its job.

All caps tweets really do scream 'Stable Genius'.

Very surprising there'a an actual intact and fully operational opposition party left to oppose them given how Fascist the Republican party is. Best to count our blessings.

Miss OMMC

Full whistleblower transcript available

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1177202609373028352?s=08

26000 Elephants

ub52 wrote: »

rossie1977 wrote: »

Trump had horrible debates vs Clinton and the only thing people remember from those were his sniffling, his weird standing behind Clinton and 'not a puppet'. Whoever wins Dem nomination is not going to go easy on Trump like Hillary was told to do. Warren is a better debater than Hillary Clinton.

If 2020 was such a foregone conclusion like Trump fans across the web claim, why does he need dirt on one of his biggest rivals from a foreign country?

trump won the debates biggly, we live in the age of video clips, Trump had many one liners that where viewed million so of times, his debate quips where the news cycle.

As for digging for dirt, have you read the transcript?
It was a classic bait and switch, leak a great story and deliver a nothing burger, the Dems fell for it hook line and sinker, the Dems now look deranged to any right thinking person.
The Trump haters got their hopes up yet again, blinded by TDS and where once again crushed, it has now become so predictable.
Trump is making them look deranged, the neutral vote will sweep him into power, and remember "The Squad" will drop many clangers in the next year, they will also sway the middle class to the Trump camp.

Nice /r/The_Donald talking point summary, saves me having to wade through that s*it. As for 'deranged', look no further than the all-caps Twitter tants from Trump last night and this morning.

kilns

In appendix it says they have been burying calls like this in the codeword server throughout Trump Presidency, can they access this if so this is huge

mcmoustache

It will be interesting to see how they spin this. There's are crimes, a coverup, an implication of other crimes and coverups as well as multiple others implicated such as Barr and Giuliani.

It's big.

RickBlaine

When the impeachment eventually gets to the senate, and assuming there are valid reasons for impeachment, I wonder will GOP senators stick with Trump. The advantages I see for the GOP to ditch Trump is:
- They can field another candidate for the presidency, one that does have Trump's considerable baggage
- They can say when presented with the impeachment evidence, they put country above party and impeached him
- Removing Trump from office won't result in a democrat president. They'll still have Pence as a republican in the oval office who is very conservative.

They might loose some votes from hardline Trump supporters but those people won't vote for Democratic away.

Tchaikovsky

peddlelies wrote: »

Very surprising there'a an actual intact and fully operational opposition party left to oppose them given how Fascist the Republican party is. Best to count our blessings.

The gerrymandering and voter suppression will suffice for now.

Christy42

marno21 wrote: »

Nearing 40 tweets/retweets now since 10pm eastern last night. Borderline meltdown on Twitter

The latest

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1177201488688537602

Literally old man shouts at (twitter) cloud.

This is not stable. The man is not fit for anything at this stage.

What do they want from him at this stage. There is no logic here, just random screaming at anyone and anything that disagrees with his view of the universe.

Remember all these are official presidential statements. I wonder what people will think of people these days looking at these. I suppose there will always be unstable leaders in the world so they will have their own problems.

26000 Elephants

From that statement:
'Lutsenko alleges that [members of the ] Ukrainian government interfered with the 2016 election "in collaboration with the DNC and the US embassy in Kyiv" '

WTF did I just read?

Christy42

RickBlaine wrote: »

When the impeachment eventually gets to the senate, and assuming there are valid reasons for impeachment, I wonder will GOP senators stick with Trump. The advantages I see for the GOP to ditch Trump is:
- They can field another candidate for the presidency, one that does have Trump's considerable baggage
- They can say when presented with the impeachment evidence, they put country above party and impeached him
- Removing Trump from office won't result in a democrat president. They'll still have Pence as a republican in the oval office who is very conservative.

They might loose some votes from hardline Trump supporters but those people won't vote for Democratic away.

The entire Republican party supported and enabled him. Any that didn't have quit. They have no one important enough who has actively opposed Trump. Their only chance is to repeat that Trump is right no matter what he does. As soon as they admit the mistake all the baggage comes down on all of them and they don't have his Teflon powers. They are trapped, if Trump's name gets dragged through the mud by both sides enough independents will assosiate him with Republicans.

In 4 years they might have a chance but this time around Trump is their only hope and they will defend him to the hilt.

blackwave

This sounds awful like a private server like what Trump accused Hillary of for so long. Got to love the hypocrisy of this. I see the whistleblower is now being interviewed as well.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-whistleblower-ukraine-call-records-foreign-officials-separate-computer-system-a9120961.html

peddlelies

26000 Elephants wrote: »

From that statement:
'Lutsenko alleges that [members of the ] Ukrainian government interfered with the 2016 election "in collaboration with the DNC and the US embassy in Kyiv" '

WTF did I just read?

Referring to this probably?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

"Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found."

They're all at it, Trump was just stupid enough to do it over the phone.

spacecoyote

Christy42 wrote: »

The entire Republican party supported and enabled him. Any that didn't have quit. They have no one important enough who has actively opposed Trump. Their only chance is to repeat that Trump is right no matter what he does. As soon as they admit the mistake all the baggage comes down on all of them and they don't have his Teflon powers. They are trapped, if Trump's name gets dragged through the mud by both sides enough independents will assosiate him with Republicans.

In 4 years they might have a chance but this time around Trump is their only hope and they will defend him to the hilt.

Assuming (big assumption) that Trump was brought down by this, could they bring John Kasich back in from the wings? He'd likely still hold Republican voters & is probably progressive/moderate enough to likely pick up a fair bit of independent support.

He hasn't in any way been tarnished by support of Trump either, if anything he went the opposite way

kilns

spacecoyote wrote: »

Assuming (big assumption) that Trump was brought down by this, could they bring John Kasich back in from the wings? He'd likely still hold Republican voters & is probably progressive/moderate enough to likely pick up a fair bit of independent support.

He hasn't in any way been tarnished by support of Trump either, if anything he went the opposite way

Nikki Haley will be their back up plan for sure

Thepoet85

Maguire being tied in knots here. Could be a long hearing.